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    07-07-2012, 09:01 PM
    (07-05-2012, 07:40 AM)LsavedSmeD Wrote: So yeah I can understand we exist in a present so our higher self is already there.


    But doesn't that point where our higher-self is need to have had a higher-self before getting there?


    I'm at a road block!

    The answer to the riddle is subtly tucked into the Ra quote you offered. Eddie also pointed it out in his response.

    I will bold the relevant part of the Ra quote:

    Quote:70.11 Questioner: Would an analogy for this situation be that an individual’s Higher Self is manipulating, to some extent shall I say, the mind/body/spirit complex that is its analog to move it through the lower densities for the purposes of gaining experience and finally transferring that experience or amalgamating it in mid-sixth-density with the Higher Self?
    Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The Higher Self does not manipulate its past selves. It protects when possible and guides when asked, but the force of free will is paramount. The seeming contradictions of determinism and free will melt when it is accepted that there is such a thing as true simultaneity. The Higher Self is the end result of all the development experienced by the mind/body/spirit complex to that point.

    You see, that is the key. Everything that we think is happening in a nice, neat, linear string of events is, in actuality, simultaneous. The first words ever uttered are still being uttered, and the last words have already been spoken. The alpha and omega are one. But what about free will? If the last words have already been spoken, doesn't that point to a deterministic universe? And the answer is, surprisingly, no.

    How can this be so? How can one's future already exist, and there still be free will? You see, it is all still your decision. There is a line from The Matrix where the oracle is talking to Neo, and she tells him, "You've already made the decision -- you're just here to understand why you made the decision."

    Now, it is not quite so cut and dry. But it is a good way to start wrapping your head around this. It is as inaccurate to say the future is already written, as it is to say that is not written. It's not an either/or scenario, strangely enough. Another way of thinking about it is to say the entire evolution through the densities of our octave happens in but a second of "real time". Actually, it's not even a second, it is instantaneous from an intelligent infinity perspective.

    You could think of it as a roll of projector film. All the images exist concurrently, at the same time. Right now, your conscious focus is on one frame. All the other frames still exist, though, both forward and backwards. In reality you are the whole film. You are also the projector, and the table its sitting on. BigSmile Your conscious identity -- what you think of as your conscious self -- is just an identification with a particular section of frames up to a certain point. The only thing that actually "moves" through time is your identification. You more and more identify your "self" as a larger and larger collection of these "frames". As this happens and your identity expands, you experience this physically as the inevitable march or progression through what we call "time". Here in the physical, we carelessly refer to this gradual "remembering" of who we really are as simply "getting older". RollEyes

    By the time 7th density rolls around, you are identified with everyone and everything. Your identity is 100% conscious again. We are truly our own icebergs. So much is beneath the surface in this density we find ourselves incarnate into.

    If you have any questions about this, feel free to ask. Hopefully, I haven't muddied the waters even more than before. Wink
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    Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by LsavedSmeD - 07-05-2012, 07:40 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Patrick - 07-05-2012, 08:28 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Aaron - 07-05-2012, 08:53 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by AndresOr - 07-05-2012, 06:04 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Eddie - 07-05-2012, 06:06 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Shin'Ar - 07-06-2012, 08:36 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Cyan - 07-07-2012, 08:39 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Shin'Ar - 07-07-2012, 09:03 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Patrick - 07-06-2012, 08:48 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Shin'Ar - 07-06-2012, 09:18 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Patrick - 07-06-2012, 11:03 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by AndresOr - 07-06-2012, 09:37 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by kdsii - 07-06-2012, 11:15 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by AnthroHeart - 07-06-2012, 10:42 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Cyan - 07-07-2012, 09:14 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Shin'Ar - 07-07-2012, 11:51 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Patrick - 07-07-2012, 01:13 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by kdsii - 07-07-2012, 03:54 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by anagogy - 07-07-2012, 09:01 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by kdsii - 07-09-2012, 04:54 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Shin'Ar - 07-08-2012, 12:07 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by anagogy - 07-08-2012, 02:46 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Plenum - 07-09-2012, 04:36 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Patrick - 07-09-2012, 06:32 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by anagogy - 07-09-2012, 08:08 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by LetGo - 07-09-2012, 09:30 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by kdsii - 07-09-2012, 09:32 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Shin'Ar - 07-10-2012, 10:24 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by kdsii - 07-10-2012, 10:38 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Shin'Ar - 07-10-2012, 11:08 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Patrick - 07-10-2012, 11:13 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by kdsii - 07-10-2012, 11:14 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Shin'Ar - 07-10-2012, 11:22 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by kdsii - 07-10-2012, 11:27 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Shin'Ar - 07-10-2012, 11:32 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by kdsii - 07-10-2012, 11:36 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Shin'Ar - 07-10-2012, 07:20 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by anagogy - 07-10-2012, 03:12 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Plenum - 07-10-2012, 10:44 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by kdsii - 07-10-2012, 10:48 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Shin'Ar - 07-10-2012, 11:16 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by kdsii - 07-10-2012, 11:20 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Patrick - 07-10-2012, 12:23 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Plenum - 07-10-2012, 03:52 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by AnthroHeart - 07-10-2012, 05:09 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by anagogy - 07-10-2012, 05:44 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by LsavedSmeD - 07-15-2012, 06:16 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Shin'Ar - 07-15-2012, 11:29 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by LsavedSmeD - 07-15-2012, 01:35 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Shin'Ar - 07-15-2012, 02:51 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by LsavedSmeD - 07-15-2012, 09:34 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by kycahi - 07-15-2012, 02:13 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Ankh - 07-15-2012, 02:20 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Shin'Ar - 07-16-2012, 06:56 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Patrick - 07-21-2012, 09:46 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Patrick - 07-21-2012, 01:17 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Cyan - 07-21-2012, 01:19 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Shin'Ar - 07-22-2012, 12:59 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Cyan - 07-21-2012, 10:36 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Siren - 07-22-2012, 02:23 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Shin'Ar - 07-22-2012, 04:06 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Siren - 07-22-2012, 08:25 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by anagogy - 07-22-2012, 05:05 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Shin'Ar - 07-22-2012, 07:30 PM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by anagogy - 07-23-2012, 02:13 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by Shin'Ar - 07-23-2012, 08:57 AM
    RE: Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self? - by anagogy - 07-24-2012, 01:46 AM
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