07-10-2012, 10:24 AM
All of these quotes being used here are, in my opinion being misread and contorted, unless your interpretations can be supported more concisely from other quotations. I would be keen on seeing something else to suggest that how you are interpreting this 'higher self' which Ra speaks of here as a future self is precisely what you are claiming it to be.
What I interpret from Ra's message is that the higher self being spoken of is the One Consciousness, the All. It is not any one particular identity or fragmented evolving field of consciousness. If you read these quotes and think of higher self as simply meaning the evolved consciousness of One evolving All, than there is no need to debate the dynamics of infinity and simultaneity.
As I stated earlier, what I understand is that the Higher Self is the state of the One Consciousness to the point that it has evolved at this time. or to put it more clearly, the evolved state of the One Consciousness which continues to evolve into Mystery.
I cannot really state my understanding more clearly than I have already done in my post above, but to disregard what I have pointed out by using quotes from Ra that can still be argued as possibly being misinterpretations, does not deny the credibility of my views and thoughts on the matter. It is no different than the protestant using King James version of the Bible and their interpretation to debate the Catholic Bible.
Would you consider this point and seek quotes that might elaborate on this higher self that would further support your interpretation?
I would also like to point another aspect of this that has been opened. This speculating about a higher evolved consciousness returning to experience lower densities. These higher evolved fields are not the higher selves of particular fields returning to them in the past, in my opinion.
Jesus was Jesus. Thoth was Thoth. Isis was Isis. Each was a field of consciousness having chosen to be in a particular experience within creation. The consciousness which became Jesus was certainly more evolved than most fields that exist in the human density, as was Thoth, and it is even possible that this consciousness had returned and experienced this density in both of those identities. The same field of consciousness experiencing two different identities and times. But it would be a mistake in my opinion to think of it as an advanced entity going into the past to influence or guide an identity that it once was. It is simply a higher evolved field of consciousness able to traverse through time and space at will to accomplish whatever it chooses to undertake. This field of consciousness incarnated as the person of Jesus of Nazareth. That does not mean that Jesus' future self returned to him or guided him somehow. Jesus made it very clear that his Guide was the Holy Spirit, which is the same as the One Consciousness or the All.
Our Higher Self is that divine self within that we are guided to discover and become aware of which once found reveals to us that we are One Consciousness, that we are the Being of that One Consciousness, the Process evolving. Our Higher Self is our connection to that vast field of Consciousness which started it all. This is why all of the astral gates and portals and rituals around opening wells and portals is taught and practiced. There is the opportunity to connect with the divine within via our own field of consciousness. That divine connection is the whole idea behind alchemy and the holy grail and every religious ritual ever performed.
It is rather strange to have seekers on the one hand claiming that they are the Creator, and then on the other hand declaring that their future higher identity somehow guides them now. If they are the Creator, than how can they have a Higher self than that?
There is the One Field, the Source Field that began it All. and there are the countless fragmented fields that evolve and through which the One experiences the All and evolves into Mystery and Infinity. These fragments have been evolving since the Source, and many are as ancient as the Source Itself and then on down the line of the evolving Process. There are obviously many various stages and evolved degrees of fields of consciousness.
Are some fields of such ability and evolved status that they able to return to a past identity which it once lived? Why would it?
Would that not in itself be a breach of free will? is that exactly what Ra is trying to tell you here as it attempts to define the difference between evolved fragmented consciousness and the One Consciousness of the All?
a field of consciousness which has evolved into higher states of being has already walked that path to get there. All those choices made to get there are now memory and experience stored in the One Consciousness. to suggest that a field can somehow, or would even want to somehow, go back and redo that journey and/or alter it in some way, suggests that creation itself is subject to a constant redesigning of experience and memory already established by free will and intent. this would be paramount to suggesting that there is no such thing as memory, because in that scenario all memory is subject to alteration, which renders it non existent.
Memory in my understanding is the fabric of our existence and the ingredient behind the design of the One Consciousness establishing its evolution. Memory of particular experiences is what is shared between fields of consciousness as they evolve, and is the factor which enables these fields to expand in understanding and knowledge.
The suggestion or speculation that a future self can return to alter memory just does not fit into any of what I have read of the Ra material or anything that I have come to understand of Cosmic Divine Design. And it also violates every law of physics that I am aware of as well.
This is not to declare that I am learned in any of these matters. I am always open to other speculation, but I will always also challenge such with an open mind seeking truth rather than popular opinion or misinterpretation. After all, is that not the danger we would choose to radically evade as seekers and wanderers knowing the delusions that religion has nurtured for so many centuries?
What I interpret from Ra's message is that the higher self being spoken of is the One Consciousness, the All. It is not any one particular identity or fragmented evolving field of consciousness. If you read these quotes and think of higher self as simply meaning the evolved consciousness of One evolving All, than there is no need to debate the dynamics of infinity and simultaneity.
As I stated earlier, what I understand is that the Higher Self is the state of the One Consciousness to the point that it has evolved at this time. or to put it more clearly, the evolved state of the One Consciousness which continues to evolve into Mystery.
I cannot really state my understanding more clearly than I have already done in my post above, but to disregard what I have pointed out by using quotes from Ra that can still be argued as possibly being misinterpretations, does not deny the credibility of my views and thoughts on the matter. It is no different than the protestant using King James version of the Bible and their interpretation to debate the Catholic Bible.
Would you consider this point and seek quotes that might elaborate on this higher self that would further support your interpretation?
I would also like to point another aspect of this that has been opened. This speculating about a higher evolved consciousness returning to experience lower densities. These higher evolved fields are not the higher selves of particular fields returning to them in the past, in my opinion.
Jesus was Jesus. Thoth was Thoth. Isis was Isis. Each was a field of consciousness having chosen to be in a particular experience within creation. The consciousness which became Jesus was certainly more evolved than most fields that exist in the human density, as was Thoth, and it is even possible that this consciousness had returned and experienced this density in both of those identities. The same field of consciousness experiencing two different identities and times. But it would be a mistake in my opinion to think of it as an advanced entity going into the past to influence or guide an identity that it once was. It is simply a higher evolved field of consciousness able to traverse through time and space at will to accomplish whatever it chooses to undertake. This field of consciousness incarnated as the person of Jesus of Nazareth. That does not mean that Jesus' future self returned to him or guided him somehow. Jesus made it very clear that his Guide was the Holy Spirit, which is the same as the One Consciousness or the All.
Our Higher Self is that divine self within that we are guided to discover and become aware of which once found reveals to us that we are One Consciousness, that we are the Being of that One Consciousness, the Process evolving. Our Higher Self is our connection to that vast field of Consciousness which started it all. This is why all of the astral gates and portals and rituals around opening wells and portals is taught and practiced. There is the opportunity to connect with the divine within via our own field of consciousness. That divine connection is the whole idea behind alchemy and the holy grail and every religious ritual ever performed.
It is rather strange to have seekers on the one hand claiming that they are the Creator, and then on the other hand declaring that their future higher identity somehow guides them now. If they are the Creator, than how can they have a Higher self than that?
There is the One Field, the Source Field that began it All. and there are the countless fragmented fields that evolve and through which the One experiences the All and evolves into Mystery and Infinity. These fragments have been evolving since the Source, and many are as ancient as the Source Itself and then on down the line of the evolving Process. There are obviously many various stages and evolved degrees of fields of consciousness.
Are some fields of such ability and evolved status that they able to return to a past identity which it once lived? Why would it?
Would that not in itself be a breach of free will? is that exactly what Ra is trying to tell you here as it attempts to define the difference between evolved fragmented consciousness and the One Consciousness of the All?
a field of consciousness which has evolved into higher states of being has already walked that path to get there. All those choices made to get there are now memory and experience stored in the One Consciousness. to suggest that a field can somehow, or would even want to somehow, go back and redo that journey and/or alter it in some way, suggests that creation itself is subject to a constant redesigning of experience and memory already established by free will and intent. this would be paramount to suggesting that there is no such thing as memory, because in that scenario all memory is subject to alteration, which renders it non existent.
Memory in my understanding is the fabric of our existence and the ingredient behind the design of the One Consciousness establishing its evolution. Memory of particular experiences is what is shared between fields of consciousness as they evolve, and is the factor which enables these fields to expand in understanding and knowledge.
The suggestion or speculation that a future self can return to alter memory just does not fit into any of what I have read of the Ra material or anything that I have come to understand of Cosmic Divine Design. And it also violates every law of physics that I am aware of as well.
This is not to declare that I am learned in any of these matters. I am always open to other speculation, but I will always also challenge such with an open mind seeking truth rather than popular opinion or misinterpretation. After all, is that not the danger we would choose to radically evade as seekers and wanderers knowing the delusions that religion has nurtured for so many centuries?