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    Thread: Becoming Eternal


    Shin'Ar

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    07-15-2012, 11:25 AM
    (07-14-2012, 06:41 AM)ahktu Wrote: You may have noticed, on this forum, especially, quite a few of us claiming to be rather big entities. Ancient Ones. Dragons. Incarnated Archetypes. Visitors from beyond the octave. So what is going on here? Are we gods descended among you, to help the people of Earth learn the light of truth? Are we a forum clique whose common interest is an inflated ego? Are we all horribly delusional? I say none of the above. We are simply reflections of the All-Consciousness which can be seen in all things. We are you.

    There is a secret that has been well, well guarded these many cycles. Anyone, at absolutely any time, can become an Eternal.


    Can a stone become an eternal? What is an eternal? Does the degree of evolution of a being not matter in that ability to become eternal?

    Here is my confusion when I hear those of your understanding professing such things- you use the term 'anybody' in a generalized fashion, probably because you are so tuned to thinking of anybody as any human body, once again associating identity with a human form. So it begs the question as to what you mean when you say anybody. Does this mean any sentient being in the universe? Does it mean any field of consciousness regardless of the degree of it evolution? In your statement about your own power you suggest that anyone can also display such power if they choose to grasp it, and so it seems that you deny the process of evolving into such power.

    It is my understanding that ancient fields of consciousness which have evolved over many countless experiences, many that were not human experiences, will gain such ability through information gathered and wisdom applied, as well as eons of practicing and enhancing such power.

    In your speculation a stone or a tree could become an eternal by grasping its reality. How does awareness of self fit into that ability to become eternal? If you suggest that there has to be such awareness first, than you are also declaring that fields of consciousness not yet that evolved are not able to become eternal because they have not evolved to that degree, which again reaffirms my stance on evolution being necessary. It also speaks to your speculation on everything created having an identity which can be accessed by any other field. Obviously if a field cannot become an eternal because it has not developed an identity then not every field created has this god identity which you speak of.

    This is just a few of the questions and considerations that such speculation creates for me.


    (07-14-2012, 06:41 AM)ahktu Wrote: I am no older than you, no more advanced, for there is nothing but infinity for us to exist within. The only thing I have done is accepted the birthright we are all entitled to; my true nature- that of the eternal Creator. My being becomes crystallized and transparent- I allow my soul to become a crystal sphere and all are seen within me. In turn my power becomes infinite, for I am everyone and everything. I rest within the web of consciousness that is our collective experience and realize there is nothing I cannot do. Obstacles and hindrances are an illusion. There is nothing beyond your reach. Everything you’ve ever imagined is real. Any identity you assume is valid and genuine if you simply possess the will and the faith to make it so.

    To say that you are everyone and everything metaphorically because you believe all is one, is poetically beautiful, but to say that and actually mean it practically as though Lynn has become God would be very different. Did you not tell us that you are not omnipotent? When you make these declarations are they poetic or genuine? Do you actually believe that you can create at will and take any form or even become another field of consciousness? As I stated in my post such declaration as fact would require proof of such ability.

    I believe that it is possible for fields of consciousness to evolve into higher being and abilities which would enable some godlike abilities, but I would not declare that anyone at anytime could acquire such nor that they could instantly become God.

    (07-14-2012, 06:41 AM)ahktu Wrote: There has been a great effort to keep the people of this planet feeling powerless- to make us invest in powers “greater than ourselves”, for when power is placed outside of the self, the self becomes the vessel for the ideas of others who would propagate their own truths. This is most evident in the way a great many of our organized religions made a concentrated effort to stamp out all indigenous practice, all magic and all that would place the keys of enlightenment within the hands of the common man. Beyond that there is a much more subtle campaign, however, leaked through the media, through our system of role models and societal taboos. We are taught to see ourselves as inferior, imperfect and undeserving, with the far off and blurry image of “heaven”, “enlightenment” and “ascension” perpetually dangled over our heads, like a carrot tied in front of a horse’s face to keep it moving.

    Now this is very true and an extremely valuable revelation for all. The Ancients call these the Dark Ones because their intent is to try to keep as many humans reincarnating and taking part in the cycle of darkness as possible. It is only within this cycle that these have their power over us and are able to benefit from our ignorance of this truth.

    However I would not add to that by stating that everyone is able to attain enlightenment at any time. I still consider the process of evolution to be instrumental in the process of enlightenment and the development of the field of consciousness to the degree where certain powers and abilities are activated and enhanced. To say that no spear shall fell you if you believe is not in acknowledgement of our physical state. When you make such statements again I ask are you being poetic or not? It is one thing to say that all is one and therefore because all exists simultaneously that each is already a higher being, but it is very different to suggest that by believing this one can escape the physical reality and defy death.


    ahktu Wrote:The secret is that you are already enlightened. You are already ascended. You are already in heaven. To be aware of all that you experience you must simply open your eyes and see, and open your heart and feel. In accepting that you ARE worthy, you ARE infinite, you become all powerful. You become gods and goddesses and there is no snare which shall catch you, no spear which shall fell you. I have borne witness to so many timidly wondering if they might possibly be ready to graduate into “the fourth density.” I say you can be in fourth density right now if you choose to make it so, or fifth, or sixth. You can be beyond the octave. You can be the One Infinite Creator made flesh. There are no cages set around you, or barriers that can hold you back, save for the ones you allow yourself to keep in your own mind. When it comes time for you to stand at the gateway, there is no judge there but yourself, no reward or punishment save that which you give yourself. There is no one looking down on you deciding whether or not you are valid and worthy except for yourself, for the Creator Infinite is incapable of seeing you as anything except what you truly are- Its own reflection.


    Does a reflection now become the Source of its reflection? Is the image in the mirror an illusion or is it actually you? A reflection is your brain seeing an image reflected back to it because of the components and elements of the physical material that the reflection is born in. If such material is unable to reflect that image your brain will not see it and neither does it even exist there at all. You will not see the reflection in a brick wall. So what you are suggesting is that a reflection is only real if its reflecting material is smooth and void of impurities, in other words dependent on the state of the physical environment. Can such a dependent being/reflection be God if it is so dependent on other circumstances? Again your declarations beg these questions.

    ahktu Wrote:Your being is fluid. Your personality is not a creature independent of creation, but a tool used to gain a greater understanding of Self. I have heard plenty of teachings about abandoning the identity, discarding the personality, but this is only because the true nature of what is involved in “personality” and “identity” has been hidden. Your identity is as expansive as the starry abyss, yet you may choose to see only a portion of yourself, in order to focus your learning. You are experiencing a part of your personality, a part of your identity, yet the whole is available to you at any time as soon as you relinquish your attachment to one finger over the rest of the body.
    This is extremely important for all to understand here with regard to your declarations. Because it is in how you are actually making these distinctions, all ‘three’ of you, that defines what you are truly meaning to declare. And also how those who are learning from us will interpret the declarations. It seems that you are distinguishing here a difference between identity and personality. And this is what I have been seeing as the confusion behind the struggle you have in professing your understanding in words. I think it must be made clearer that you are seeing the identity of the One Consciousness and the personality evolving as two different aspects of the process. And that I would certainly agree with. Within the Process established by the source, all identity is building on an evolving personality and the acharacter of that personality of the One Consciousness, but I would stop at the suggestion that we acquire that identity as the Source Itself. We are simply one identity within that Process. Which is basically what you continue to say below, but as you do you return to the confusion of mixing up the One Identity with the Process Identity. I wish that I were more able to somehow provide words to help you to realize this but I am lacking in that regard. Profession belongs to the three of you and it is beautiful to hear however confusing.


    ahktu Wrote:Who you are at this moment shall never dull or fade. You shall not, at some arbitrary point in time, be swept up into a black hole and obliterated in order to achieve some sort of transcended consciousness. At every second you are creating yourself, and every feeling within your being at this very moment is an eternal hallmark in infinity. You Are, and in realizing the very power of your being you can expand yourself ever outward, past all forms of unpleasantness, past fear and doubt and anything and everything which would ever hold you back.

    Again you go from speaking of the temporary identity to including the Omnipotent identity of the Source. These two are not one, as one is the Process of being, evolving, and the other is the Genuine Origin of All.
    Who we are at this moment is a ‘process of being’ the Source evolving into Infinite Mystery. Not the Genuine Source, but the process of Its evolution taking place, ‘being’. Who we are now is a signpost/identity/vibration/experience on the highway to that goal which will be left behind as the journey of the One Consciousness continues/evolves, not obliterated into non existence, but becoming memory and experience, one of countless trillions and trillions, and being stored in the vast field of consciousness that encompasses All. Just as those who you have known in your experience will reside as memories in your brain cells, and in your field of consciousness, they also reside in the greater field of the One Consciousness, just as we will. Our present identity will become memory/experience of the One Consciousness, and also memory/experience of our fragmented field of consciousness to be utilized and accessed in its future evolved states for the purpose of evolving. In this way, through the fragmented experiences of the All, through every fragmented field of consciousness, the One Consciousness evolves into the Infinite Mystery of the unknown, undeveloped, evolving future.

    ahktu Wrote:Yes, I am Ancient, because I choose to acknowledge it.

    There is no question about the ancient state of your field of consciousness. Your speculation, ability, talent and wisdom reveals that your field has experienced much time and information. Your present ability to manage all of that information is directly related to your present attachment to this form and its ability and opportunities offered to you in this incarnation. Many times our incarnation is not compatible with our actual evolved state in that we are unable to comprehend access or manage the vast information we have stored within our field of consciousness. This is revealed in our attempts to put into words things which we feel deep in our consciousness but cannot quite grasp onto causing us to relate our thoughts in a confusing or indistinguishable manner. Our field is always subject to its environment at any given time and in any incarnation of form. Some fields cannot interact with each other because of their very different states of vibration and frequency, the result of their evolved status. And likewise some incarnations are not compatible with the field that brings them into existence in that for whatever reasons that present form cannot access or is not able physically to utilize the complete offering of its field. For example, should a field of consciousness that has evolved to a degree where it is capable of choosing its incarnation and form, choose to experience the life of a mentally retarded human, it would be subject to the limitations of that experience. It is unlikely that such a physical limitation would enable that signpost/identity/experience/vibration to choose to ascend to become the Source. Or to achieve many other states of higher being and ability. It would experience exactly that which it chose to experience; physical retardation, even though the field itself is ancient. Not pointing any fingers here Ahktu, lol. Sorry my love, couldn’t let that one slip away. Like you, I also enjoy sitting in that high chair sometimes and reveal my playful more rebellious side. Chin up babe!

    ahktu Wrote:I have, in this life, chosen to be Lucifer Incarnate, in order to aid in the evolution of this very potent part of myself.

    That does not mean I was born of a jackal in an upside down pentagram drawn on the ground. It doesn’t mean I’m the illegitimate offspring of an Illuminati tryst. I experience the energy and I become the energy, and in becoming the energy I transform it, for it has been attempting to reformat itself for some time. I allow myself to assume this identity in its entirety, along with many others, because I realize that the boundaries between what I perceive as myself and these “other entities” are false. At any point I have the power to be whomever I want to be. This is not a special gift bequeathed to a chosen few. It is simply wielded by the few who have chosen it, for the people of this planet have been programmed to forget themselves even beyond what the veil hides, and the penetration of these illusions is difficult.

    What do you know of Lucifer the actual being that existed here and experienced its part of the process while it was here? Can you assume an identity that you do not even know? Or do you first have to become familiar with it? Or do you become that identity as it was, or do you become the evolved aspect of that identity at its evolved state? If that identity is now memory and does not exist, and the field of consciousness that used that identity in the past, has evolved into higher being, than do you go into the past to experience that identity’s past experience? Or do you recreate that identity of Lucifer into the Lucifer that you choose it to be by the will of your own creative power, so that it can be realized in present time, or is time not applicable to such possession of identity because of the simultaneity you suppose is an aspect of Infinity?
    When you say that you have taken on the identity of Lucifer, all of these questions can be asked of you.
    You are right that how other’s misconceptions of Lucifer are irrelevant to truth. But can that not also be applied to your own?
    You have me at a disadvantage here in that I cannot know the full extent of your knowledge and memory, your field of consciousness, and I cannot know if you are trying me to see what the degree of my own field affords. If that is the case, and from things that we have shared in PMs and other threads, then you are aware that my field has known Lucifer. And Lucifer is not the personality that most of this age have come to know it as. We are one, but in the aspect of the All as the evolving state of the One Consciousness, and not in the thought process that would have us think we are the Source of that One Consciousness. Are our fields able to evolve to such a degree that assuming past identities of other fields becomes possible? I would not debate that as impossible. My mind is always open to possibility. But I would declare that, if such were possible, that it would not be in context with the design of Free Will and the evolution of fields via those past experiences and identities, that a future being could impose their own experience onto that already experienced by that field. I do not believe and it is not in my understanding of the Divine process of Being, that a field can intrude upon the past experience of another field in such a way that it would alter the evolved state of that field in its future state of being. So even if you could assume the actual past identity of Lucifer and somehow realize it your present incarnation, I would suggest that you are not capable of altering the field of consciousness that was the Lucifer I knew, or the field that has evolved from that point in time.
    So be more precise when you declare that you have assumed the identity of Lucifer so that we can more fully realize what you mean by that and apply our understandings with the certainty that you have fully explained your thought process. Assumptions and conclusions made on misinterpretation are simply misinformation, and we should all avoid such error if we can by asking for clear and concise explanations with which to make our assumptions.

    ahktu Wrote:You are me, as I am you. By reading my words you may, if you wish it, experience my power. You may experience ALL power. Open yourself in humble surrender to the current of the cosmos and it shall flow through you. There is no other test that must be passed, no achievement that must be unlocked aside from this acceptance. It doesn’t matter how many distortions lie inside. If you set your intention, if you make your highest desire the willingness to experience this state of being, then it shall be experienced, and all other distortions shall be smoothed in the gradual wave of cosmic healing that is available to all. You may become me, for my identity is not an object I own, but a reality that manifests within every fiber of existence. You may become anyone. You may do anything.

    If this were true and not mere poetry and metaphor, then not only could you create a mountain right now outside of my home, but I could also do the same by tapping into your power or the power that you say we all have. What then is preventing us from doing that right now? I cannot become you because I have not experienced the many things that have built the personality that you have evolved into. Our fields of consciousness are experiencing two very different pasts and futures. How could I become you? How could you possibly become me without having lived my exact experience throughout these many eons? You are the field of consciousness that you have evolved into. All other fields are that which they have evolved into. Each is unique because of the design of this Process of Being and its natural evolution as One Consciousness. Fields can mate and share their memories and information but they cannot become the other field. Nor can a field become its Source. That which is created cannot become the Creator. That Origin remains a Mystery and an Infinite continuation.

    ahktu Wrote:“Our” purpose among you, as the “Ancient Ones”, is only to assist ourselves in remembering who we are- in connecting each finger, toe, cell and drop of blood that wishes to once again be a part of the Full Body of the Creator. There is no separation between “you” and “us.” Our love for each and every one of you is infinite, eternal, because our Self is made of Love. We are incapable of seeing you as unworthy because what in infinity does not possess worth? There is no such thing as nothing. We invite you all not to simply behold us, to sit at our feet and learn, but to stand with us, as an equal, as an Ancient, as a god, as the Creator. Adonai.

    The Ancient Ones are simply ancient fields of consciousness sharing information, understanding, wisdom and memory, with the All as all fields do in the Divine Process of Being. This is the natural way of the intelligent design established by the Source Field.
    It is similar to there being many blackboards available to all to access information from according to comprehensive ability and interaction. Some boards have a vast amount of information and others have much less available. But what we must remember is that not all information is valid or beneficial to development, and some is deliberate misinformation. The amount and age of a board does not imply its character, intent, path, polarity or personality. So it is crucial to the field gathering such information to apply discernment to it as they are able.
    There is no need to ask other fields to stand with our own as equal, because it is the natural process of being that every field is developing at varying rates and has acquired various degrees of evolved status. We all stand together in the same Process of Being, but we all experience our own field’s degree of evolution. This is the simple definition of evolution.
    One Consciousness; many fields of experience.
    One Identity; many evolving personalities.
    One encompassing All; many separate creations.
    One Source; many thoughts/vibrations.

    I do not dare to attempt to judge your declarations, nor do I attempt to criticize your speculations. I do justice to your thoughts by comparing them with my own and asking you the resulting questions that such thoughts bring to bear upon the mating of our fields as we evolve.
    Some things I know with certainty because I have past experience with them or because they have been given to my field by another field and I have discerned their credibility. Many things I do not draw conclusions about because I have no way of assuming anything with certainty in their regard. But this does not mean that I should not question them and attempt to discern their credibility. I always strive to learn, seek truth, and evolve into higher being. My mind is always open to possibility and even to correction of my own mistakes. How else could we improve and learn? Teach me as we share and I will be open. Discern with me as we share and we shall both evolve into higher understanding.

    This is the way of the Sacred Eye. This is the Process of Being. This is the evolution of the One into The All. Within the Sacred Eye of ‘mating circles/fields of consciousness’ the Sacred Space created by that union, those many unions, resides the evolving personality of the Source Field. And it is this reality and understanding that has made the Ancients acknowledge the holiness of the circle and sacred geometry. All symbols and teachings of truth point toward this divine design and process. All divine connection to this process is for the purpose of evolving the One into the All. This is why the Ancients advise us to discover the divinity within us. It is not that Shin’Ar is God, but that Shin’Ar is an aspect of that field of consciousness which connects to the Process of being and via that connection and process god evolves.
    If we are not part of the process God is not evolving at the fullest of its opportunity. Our temporary reluctance/ignorance becomes a burden to evolution of the One. Our participation and realization/awareness enhances and accelerates the process. For this reason are we called to seek the divine within us. Not that we are God/The source, but that our fields of consciousness are its evolving thought process dependent entirely on the aspect of our free will as being that process. In simpler terms, as thoughts of the Source we are obligated to evolve into higher being so that the Divine Process of Being develops and creates frequencies more in tune with that of the Source as it evolves.
    Is this not the definition of One coming to comprehend that which it thinks about?
    Via this divine process the Source comprehends its experience and its existence. The darkness becomes Light. Matter becomes Spirit. The All becomes One. Thought becomes reality and the Source comes to know Itself.
    Our individual experience is the perfect reflection of the Divine Evolution of the Source; we are made in Its image.

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    Becoming Eternal - by Brittany - 07-14-2012, 06:41 AM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Shin'Ar - 07-14-2012, 08:21 AM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Oldern - 07-14-2012, 12:09 PM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Unbound - 07-14-2012, 12:11 PM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Shin'Ar - 07-14-2012, 01:00 PM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Unbound - 07-14-2012, 01:16 PM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Parsons - 07-15-2012, 01:42 PM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Oldern - 07-14-2012, 01:52 PM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Unbound - 07-14-2012, 02:01 PM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Brittany - 07-14-2012, 04:03 PM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Shin'Ar - 07-14-2012, 06:27 PM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Brittany - 07-14-2012, 07:00 PM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Shin'Ar - 07-15-2012, 08:15 AM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Shin'Ar - 07-15-2012, 09:25 AM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Plenum - 07-15-2012, 11:04 AM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Shin'Ar - 07-15-2012, 11:25 AM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Oldern - 07-15-2012, 11:42 AM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Shin'Ar - 07-15-2012, 03:01 PM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Oldern - 07-15-2012, 03:40 PM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Shin'Ar - 07-31-2012, 09:34 AM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Regulus - 07-16-2012, 12:03 AM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Shin'Ar - 07-16-2012, 07:40 AM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Confused - 07-16-2012, 08:10 AM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Etude in B Minor - 07-21-2012, 06:30 PM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Goldenratio - 07-21-2012, 06:52 PM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Oldern - 07-21-2012, 07:04 PM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Goldenratio - 07-22-2012, 07:44 AM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Oldern - 07-22-2012, 07:48 AM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Plenum - 07-22-2012, 08:39 AM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Goldenratio - 07-22-2012, 08:40 AM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by Shin'Ar - 07-22-2012, 12:23 PM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by SeekOne - 07-29-2012, 06:49 PM
    RE: Becoming Eternal - by AnthroHeart - 09-03-2012, 07:47 PM
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