Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self?

[anagogy]

Anagogy, I can still suggest that it is possible that Ra is using metaphor ad you are doing the same thing that Bible interpreted have done by trying to take it literally.

Yes, you can suggest that. Just as I can suggest it is not metaphor, and that you are twisting Ra's words to make it fit your preconceived notions of how the universe works. And I say that without the slightest shred of hostility, Shin'Ar. Honestly, I'm only interested in truth here. If you convinced me you were right, I would hop on your band wagon in a second. I just haven't been convinced as of yet.

I would also like to point out that the social memory complex of Ra is very particular with their language. They have said before that, "Due to our orientation with regard to data, even the most specifically answered question would be worded by our group in such a way as to maximize the accuracy of the nuances of the answer. This, however, mitigates against what your critic desires in the way of simple, lucid prose."

And to be honest, whenever Ra uses metaphor they are usually quick to point out that is just a metaphor, such as in 50.7 with the poker game metaphor.

I would like to hear how you or anyone following this thread, would answer the questions I have posted above, and now below for reference sake?

If you are correct in your declaration and conclusion and it is truth, than why would one already having reached higher being see it fitting to assist its lower self to reach that which has already been acquired? If already achieved what is the purpose of such assistance?

One of the problems is you are looking at the past as something that is over and done with. This is emphatically not so. Everything is simultaneous. It is totally understandable that this would not make sense looking at it from a linear standpoint. From a linear standpoint, once you pass a temporal benchmark, there is no reason to go back to it. I would submit to you that it is not so cut and dry. Everything is happening NOW.

The sixth density future self had assistance from its future self when it was in lower densities. What better teacher to guide you than your own self? Who would know you better? Who would be more likely to have your best interests at heart when giving you guidance?

You ask why the higher self would help its past self to achieve what it has already acquired. I can understand your confusion. When you come to understand that the sixth density being is operating almost completely out of time, it becomes less confusing. You can even take time almost completely out of the equation, for simplicity's sake. You could simply look at it as a 3rd density being asking for help, and a sixth density being offering its wisdom. The confusion only enters into the situation when you forget that nothing is over and done with. It's just that, in this particular circumstance of interaction with the "higher self", the sixth density being you are communicating with just happens to be your future self.

If existence has no end and no beginning, and all is present tense, than the choice which you make in this very moment, is of no future consequence, so what would be the necessity for advice or guidance from a Higher self, when all is already done, despite any choice you might now make?

While I can appreciate the question, Shin'Ar, I have to tell you, it is misconceived. The reason why it is misconceived is it implies that your decisions right now don't matter. This is not so. They matter very much. They matter to you, and to those you interact with. Ra has described the higher self principle as a map in which the destination is known. You will, eventually, consciously rejoin the One. That is rest assured. Does the fact that you will inevitably cross the finish line mean the journey is pointless? Of course not.

It was never about the destination, it was always about the journey. We aren't trying to "get" anywhere, or "learn" something. It's all about the experience. ALL experiences are enfolded in the One. All of it already exists. The pathways of experience are just roads that consciousness may travel down. Just because a sixth density being has already traveled down the road you are about to, does NOT invalidate the beauty and majesty and value of the experience for YOU. It's a moving continuum of consciousness. All experience-roads are being explored by the creator.

Also, remember that having a future self that exists in sixth density does *not* negate free will. Please keep this in mind. Your choices are still your choices, and they do matter. It is a psychological trap to assume otherwise just because you have a future self that has been through it all already. It is just disturbing to the human intellect. Trust me, I know. Time is incredibly difficult to wrap one's intellect around.

If Infinity has no beginning and no end, then why do you suggest that creation is already completed? Would that not be an end?

There is a beginning and end to this particular octave. Anything that has a beginning, inevitably has an ending as well. Infinity had no beginning, and so it can have no end. The ending of our octave is not determined by time, but is an experiential cycle. It ends for you, when you complete 7th density. That's when you return to the still point, where a new octave is birthed from.

If creation is fully completed in this present moment, and the Creator experiences only that which is already fulfilled, then not only is there no need for further guidance from higher self, but higher self has nothing to look forward to.

The higher self, being of a certain progression within sixth density, has 7th density to look forward to, which it has not yet experienced, despite it having its own higher self, the mind/body/spirit complex totality, which has already experienced 7th density.

If you have any questions about what I've written here, I'm happy to answer them.