08-04-2012, 07:06 PM
(08-04-2012, 06:59 AM)ShinAr Wrote:(08-02-2012, 08:44 PM)zenmaster Wrote:It's certainly anecdotal, but only hypothetical if you want to treat it in that manner.(08-02-2012, 10:34 AM)ShinAr Wrote:(08-01-2012, 10:25 PM)zenmaster Wrote: [quote='Richard' pid='93274' dateline='1343742909']I think it's the case that the time/space locus for the deceased is of a nature that is different than our collectively-experienced time/space environment. When one is freed from the body, like a magnet, they naturally gravitate toward some environment which most closely compliments and so offers balancing opportunities to the current condition of the mind/spirit. Ra calls it a place of 'healing'. So the entity is indeed 'stuck' if they don't realize that they are no longer in an environment suitable for evolving.
Its alway assumed that the entity is "stuck" somewhere. But what if the entity is just going about its business where ever and our voices / actions are the bleed through?
There are a variety of ways for a deceased individual to contact the living if they so choose. Many will do so, say with family and friends, if only to say 'I'm OK'.
Contact from beyond the grave is purely hypothetical speculation Zen.
IS THAT NOT THE DEFINITION OF HYPOTHESIZING?
Hypothesizing would be an attempt to explain something (as opposed to merely relating an experience).
(08-04-2012, 06:59 AM)ShinAr Wrote:(08-02-2012, 10:34 AM)ShinAr Wrote: But beyond that as i would not choose to debate that with you, I am curious why you state that in the transition stage between incarnations a consciousness is no longer evolving?Due to the lack of a body to process catalyst.
ARE YOU THINKING THAT OUR FIELD OF CONSCIOUSNESS, OUR LIGHT BEING IS NOT FUNCTIONAL WITHOUT A PHYSICAL MATERIAL FORM? I THINK I JUST
ADDRESSED THAT HYPOTHESIS IN MY PREVIOUS POST ABOVE.
"71.7 Questioner: Is the process in positive time/space identical with the process in negative time/space for this healing?
Ra: I am Ra. The process in space/time of the forgiveness and acceptance is much like that in time/space in that the qualities of the process are analogous. However, while in space/time it is not possible to determine the course of events beyond the incarnation but only to correct present imbalances. In time/space, upon the other hand, it is not possible to correct any unbalanced actions but rather to perceive the imbalances and thusly forgive the self for that which is.
The decisions then are made to set up the possibility/probabilities of correcting these imbalances in what you call future space/time experiences. The advantage of time/space is that of the fluidity of the grand overview. The advantage of space/time is that, working in darkness with a tiny candle, one may correct imbalances."
"105.14 Questioner: Then the yellow-ray body, from the very beginning, was designed as what Ra has called an athanor for the mind, a device to accelerate the evolution of the mind. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. It is perhaps more accurate to note that the yellow-ray, physical vehicle is a necessity without which the mind/body/spirit complex cannot pursue evolution at any pace."
(08-04-2012, 06:59 AM)ShinAr Wrote:Consciousness as in a quality of awareness, not necessarily an identity which is of a certain distortion (based on some imbalance).(08-02-2012, 10:34 AM)ShinAr Wrote: You say that such is a deceased individual, but what exactly do you perceive a deceased individual to be? Are you thinking of it as the last identity that it had lived? Or are you thinking of it as a compilation of thousands of past identities?The individual could have consciousness of both.
OF COURSE THERE IS CONSCIOUSNESS OF BOTH. THAT IS WHAT CONSCIOUSNESS IS.
(08-04-2012, 06:59 AM)ShinAr Wrote:I'm not suggesting that it only relates to most recent encounters, I am suggesting that the most recent encounters tend to have a large influence on what is relevant to the recently deceased.(08-02-2012, 10:34 AM)ShinAr Wrote: If the latter, than that list of family members it might want to contact would be an extremely long list.Not really. There is a sphere of relevance related to the last lifetime which also was a type of learning mission. After all, there is the review each time. A time/space-viewpointed person of sufficient polarity, should easily determine if such contact would have an overall positive purpose.
BUT YOU ARE TYING CONSCIOUSNESS TO ITS MOST RECENT FORM/IDENTITY AND SUGGESTING THAT IT ONLY RELATES TO AND/OR EVOLVES ACCORDING TO ITS MOST RECENT ENCOUNTERS.
(08-04-2012, 06:59 AM)ShinAr Wrote: I am sorry for the caps Zen, and the disordered method of responding to your post, but I still have not figured out how to respond to quotes within quotes.You can put quote and /quote in brackets around what you want to quote.