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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Spiritual Development & Metaphysical Matters The Illusion of Success - the Other half of Judgement

    Thread: The Illusion of Success - the Other half of Judgement


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    09-01-2012, 10:48 AM (This post was last modified: 09-01-2012, 11:04 AM by Oldern.)
    I definitely disagree with you, Shin'Ar, especially on this:

    "
    The common theme here is obvious. It is not the 'system' in which we participate that makes us what we are. It is the efforts of those who have gone on before us, the scouts, that establish that system.

    Those unique efforts are the source of growth and development, the participation in that system, and whatever opportunities/luxuries one enjoys within it are completely reliant on the effort of the scouts, those who go on ahead.
    "

    The beginning of an action is only seen as a beginning when we bring a linear timescale into the equation. In "reality", the beginning, the action itself and the ending is played out in the now, instantaneously. The scouts, the explorers, the lightbringers are NOT better or more important than any other part of the system. They could not exist without a system to sustain them, and vica versa. And as odd it might sound, but there would be no house builder if there would be no need for that house to be built. One can argue forever with the limited knowledge we have over these things about which force was stronger: the urge for that house to find itself someone to build it, or the urge of the house builder to finally pick up those tools. I would argue they cannot coexist without each other. No experience is relying on one sole part of the event - either all is EQUALLY important, or none of it truly is. That is my view on this, of course, and I would not force it on you, as enjoy reading these posts BigSmile

    Also: I would also disagree with your views on the validity of judgement. "That which is not needed falls away." Such an interesting sentence, is not? You say: the sins of the flesh trap us here, deludes ourselves into thinking that this is All There Is. I ask you: why do you wish to override your oversoul's own plans for experiencing this? It is like when I tell my finger to type on a keyboard, and the finger says: **** you! Well, thanks, my finger. Thank you.

    To be more serious: I am a man with a very small and specialized social net. Which means that I might be laughed at frequently (even in front of me, of course, openly, and it is okay) for my odd views and my naivity (and my mistakes as well), but for some reason, when I look around my friends and my relatives, I have yet to see someone (myself included) that stopped doing some "bad addiction" or turned away "from the sins of flesh" because "someone/something told us to!". Personally, I am eating more fruits, seeds and other pure foods weekly than I have eaten in a coarse of my entire life before last year! Is not that shocking? And no outside force, no teaching, no strict ruleset would have made me do that before. I do it because that is what I am attracted to. It is very easy to turn to judgement when the majority of earth's sins and addictions have fallen off from you: you can say "hey, I made, it you should make it as well. Look at me!" - but again, in reality, no two person is the same when it comes to what comes easy for them and what does not.

    Believe me, if I would have been equipped with the skillset of being an obedient learner (i.e. forcing oneself to sit down EVERY DAY and learn what I have been told in school/university that day), I would have gladly used that. I have seen friends do it that way. It is not about me being lazy or them being oh-so-holy. Not at all. Some people really are not able to focus for THAT particular thing. And when it came to writing, I was able to do things way faster and way more consistently than ANYONE I have ever known. Should I start judging? Nope. It is just channeling a toolset.

    So: being more pure, more "sinless" (what a nice word. Sin.) will not come truly if it is not coming from within! And it will come from within, at a pace that is decided by each and every individual part of the oversouls in this density. I do not see why I should haste them. Providing support, helping when asked, or when the opportunity arises? Gladly. Judgement, however? Nope. I do not care if that judgement would have been "true". It does not matter. Judging someone neglects the fact that every action has reactions. Whatever you are judging already has the seeds of the followup in the lifes of those individuals. Your judgement is planting seeds for you as well. That is my belief, at least.
    To add a picture that just came into my head: imagine the boddhisattva pictures. One where they have multiple faces, multiple arms, legs, eyes, etc. Imagine yourself not as the being that is "enlightened", but imagine yourself as ONE face in a multi-faceted being. Imagine all the past sinners, standing proudly beside you. Imagine on the left side, your oversoul-brothers, your so-called "past lives". The warrior. The shameless alcoholic. The tyrant. The sold out soldier. The sick homeless. The inventor. And on the right side, the women. The whore. The lover. The mother. The lost girl. The abused thinker, who had no way of expressing herself for she was born in an age where women was not asked about their thoughts. The queen. The noblewoman with guilty thoughts. The noun.

    Can you see all of that? I would suggest that one practices embracing all those. They are a process. We are part of it as well. Whether we are the Embracer or the Judge is totally up to us.

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    The Illusion of Success - the Other half of Judgement - by Oldern - 08-29-2012, 04:42 PM
    RE: The Illusion of Success - the Other half of Judgement - by BrownEye - 08-29-2012, 05:10 PM
    RE: The Illusion of Success - the Other half of Judgement - by AnthroHeart - 08-29-2012, 05:12 PM
    RE: The Illusion of Success - the Other half of Judgement - by Patrick - 08-29-2012, 06:30 PM
    RE: The Illusion of Success - the Other half of Judgement - by Spaced - 08-29-2012, 07:16 PM
    RE: The Illusion of Success - the Other half of Judgement - by Plenum - 08-30-2012, 12:13 AM
    RE: The Illusion of Success - the Other half of Judgement - by TheFifty9Sound - 08-30-2012, 02:27 AM
    RE: The Illusion of Success - the Other half of Judgement - by Shin'Ar - 08-31-2012, 08:25 AM
    RE: The Illusion of Success - the Other half of Judgement - by Oldern - 09-01-2012, 10:48 AM
    RE: The Illusion of Success - the Other half of Judgement - by Shin'Ar - 09-01-2012, 01:30 PM
    RE: The Illusion of Success - the Other half of Judgement - by Oldern - 09-01-2012, 01:41 PM
    RE: The Illusion of Success - the Other half of Judgement - by Shin'Ar - 09-01-2012, 01:44 PM

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