09-12-2012, 12:51 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-12-2012, 01:00 AM by godwide_void.)
(09-11-2012, 08:02 PM)ShinAr Wrote: Is the future really a matter of predisposition?
What if as you are typing you have a stroke, and what you would have been predisposed to type never happens?
Also what about the influence of your field causing you to type things that your temporary human form may not be predisposed to even know?
Is that not the whole idea of channeling information from a higher field?
It seems that this process you are speaking of which involves the instantaneous performance of past, present,future, is actually just the natural process of present action becoming past as soon as it occurs. In that instant I realizew there is a blending where present becomes past, but I still do not see how that blending can be applied to events which have not even yet occurred.
Anything can happen in that instant, which means that any number of possible results can occur, but none shall manifest until the event takes place.
That unknown element of possibility is what I refer to as the future.
Am I wrong in assuming that what you are referring to as future is actually just the process of an action taking place in the present, regardless of how instantaneous it is?
The context I am using future in does not in any way negate or attempt to go counter to your grasp of the future. Regardless of predisposition or present actions taken, the future exists as the proceeding moments unpeeling as layers as one progresses through a series of present moments which then transfigure into past moments. However, as I am applying the term "future", I am attempting to convey to you to not merely consider the "future" as a portioned off section which occurs in a far off timeframe, but to realize that this unknown element of possibility manifests in every moment as every moment which lies beyond every present moment.
Quote:There is no event that can take place so instantaneously that it actually becomes the present second in such a way that the endless possibilities are removed by disposition.
as long as any resulting possibility remains unmanifest until the actual occurrence, then that future remains unknown awaiting the occurrence and its result, regardless of how instantly any such thing might happen.
No event can happen with such instance that it supersedes the possibilities/results that various choices of action would have.
What are you constituting as an event that apparently cannot take place instantaneously? Is not the act of typing an instantaneous event which is viewed as the present moment the instant you engage in it? What many consider the "present" moment appears to be perceived as an entire collection of moments referring to the duration of an entire event. What I am proposing is to penetrate deeper and realize that if one were to examine the momentary continuum of events at the basest level, one would need to recalculate the consideration of such timeframes.
You may consider the entire typing of a post a "present" moment. Rather, it is a vast collective of moments. The past, to me right now in a somewhat distant sense, was my typing of the word "You" at the beginning of this paragraph. My immediate past is every single letter which manifested before every letter I just typed, and the very immediate past in several moments will be my typing of the letter immediately before the period of this sentence's end. This was an instantaneous event which funneled down the vastness of possibilities the more and more I acted in a way which manifested the set generation of certain words and ideas.
The future which remains unknown which awaits occurrence, the variation of possibilities which may become manifest, in my reality, are the potential words which I will type out by the end of this message. I as of yet do not know what shall be written, and yet with each present moment which passes, I am slowly jettisoning myself to a more and more certain position in regards to what future probability will manifest. This entire paragraph was still an unknown possibility at the time which I was writing the above paragraph, however this once unknown possible future has become manifest and as a result, each present moment I dedicated towards the collective event of "typing out this particular post" has passed, and the future of this post has occurred, and it is now a set manifestation, and the actions I took to manifest this post are now a past occurrence.
Quote:I am sensing that this has something to do with what I often refer to as The Process of being, but I am just too confused at this time to put it together.
I still intend to study what you and Azreal are offering here, in much greater depth of thought, and seek to find some aspect fo what you are thinking that might lead me into further understanding.
I am open to learning, and always seek after new information.
But I must be able to comprehend what is offered. If I cannot manage to comprehend it, it simply means that you may have understanding of a matter that is beyond my ability to comprehend.
But I can only work with the tools I am given at this time. So bear with my questions if you would, and don't get caught in the trap of seeing my continual dissecting as arrogance or desire to argue.
I seek knowledge and wisdom.
Would it be wise for me to simply accept anything that is offered to me without thoroughly discerning it? No, and so I will plug away until it becomes obvious that I will not be able to gather what you offer, or until such a time as I finally do come to understand the things you are saying.
You are well aware that I would never misunderstand your desire for clarification and refined understanding of the information I share with you as being arrogance or a heated debate, and I am more than happy to work with you and continue providing you with as many explanations as needed to satisfy your approach towards fully grasping these concepts without distortion or difficulty.
In truth, what I was attempting to convey to you in my long-winded insight regarding the overlapping nature of past, present and future, is to realize that such considerations will reveal themselves as illusory when one ponders the above examples I gave. Designating the beginning, duration and ending of any one event as "the present" would be based on criteria which does not take into consideration the true meaning of a "present" moment.
You described in the other thread that in my discourses I was referring instead to "the ongoing process of the prevent". In this, it appears that you are extending the "present" moment to many moments. What I am attempting to get across is that if you were to truly refer to a moment, you would have to factor in that every millisecond is a moment, and every millisecond which you are existing, will unfold towards a future which, while in the immediate sense may be easily known (my immediate future possibilities are set in the continuation of my typing of this post), the further future possibilities remain unknown and are much farther away from achieving manifested occurrence than my immediate future, as I will not know how every detail of my day will unfold tomorrow for instance, but the future probabilities of what may occur are not impossible for me to discern as I have a good idea of how my day will unfold based on my drawing upon the knowledge that I will be in the same circumstances I was in today, but this only provides a general idea of how my possible future tomorrow will unfold.
Do not consider the future and the past to merely refer to periods of time which happened "a long time ago". You are simply choosing to categorize the furthest manifested or unmanifest events with these terms while ignoring the fact of the immediate nature of these terms true designations. I will ask you Shin'Ar, to look back on your entire day and tell me how many present, past, and future moments occurred? Is not your awakening in the morning now a "past" moment, and in the morning, wasn't your reply to this post of mine still an unmanifest future possibility?
When your being placed itself into the existential nexus where the once obscure future probability of creating a reply to this thread became an immediate reality to select, was not your insertion into that timeline where you created your post a present moment? And immediately before you began typing the post, was the present moment not your sitting down at the computer, followed by the present moments of typing Bring4th.org into the web browser and logging in? Now, while you were logging in, wasn't the creation of your reply a yet unmanifest future, and your action of opening the web page now a past moment? As you progressed through each moment with the intention of manifesting a reply, didn't you gradually chisel down the number of future probabilities which could have become manifest? Indeed, was not every single minuscule action you took today an unmanifest future moment which occurred, becoming a present moment, and unfolded, instantly becoming a past moment?
When you apply the application of past, present and future to the flow of mere seconds, the greater grasping of the notion that such designations are constantly overlapping and circumstantially interchangeable arises. Our experience then begins to be more situated in a more spatially-oriented paradigm sustained by the embracing of a timeless awareness. Every present moment was once an unknown future possibility and as soon as you experienced the present moment, it became a past moment. All moments can be deemed as having fit the criteria to be classified into any of these time frame terms, and as such, all time is truly an illusory phenomenon constructed by the perceiver.
I hope I have been able to provide greater clarification on this matter to you.
