Drugs - Good or bad?

[Sagittarius]

what does it feel like? i had the indigo open up better for a few days and felt like i was ready for the crown, but i dunno.

Myself, i had my crown active before i noticed my pituitary gland.
Its like a fountain, one piece coming from the thalamus that reaches straight up, one from the heart/throat that goes more outwards..

But when it just opens, it should feel more like its coming from the whole brain (aka not concentrated/focused+diluted/unfocused) and not reach very high.

I had another LSD trip last night. You can see the 1000 petal lotus in your vision. Like you know how you can see floaters in the eye. Imagine that but encompassing your whole vision and instead of being static the vortex in the middle is spinning with the petals all seemingly spinning the same but yet differently.

God I love LSD best creation by us ever. But seriously they should rename LSD to veil disruptor. Meditate on LSD and prepare to fly.

I've tried most substances, but never lsd... whats its energies?
Which energy centers does it enhance/turbocharge?
Which are weakened by it?

Oh boy your in for a treat. To be honest I don't feel like it weakens any. LSD to be honest is more controllable then any other drug I have tried, the further I have come on my spiritual journey the more I have been able to control it.

I suspect it unlocks the veil to a small degree. Some trips have had bad periods of absolute terror but those are needed. The trip I had last night blew my mind. By far the most euphoric and educational trip or experience in general to date. The best thing about it is I had relatively no come down and still feel different in an extreme way. A big chunk of distortion was shed last night I feel.

You see one, your eye's are ripped out and you have no choice but to see one, hence the bad trip possibility and why many people have an acid trip and are terrified out of there skins.

You will need 2-3 decent hits of lsd to get a strong trip. A light acid trip is nothing compared to a strong one. If your relatively experienced and strong of mind which most of us here are I would expect 2-3 hits to be fine.

Once you drop them though there is no turning back for 8-10 hours so set aside a day or two where you can be comfortable. I would also recommend you have a friend with you, the presence of another self is extremely comforting. Seeing that there is only you for the first time is extremely frightening in a lonely way, this is the feeling that caused me to rebound and understand the worth of the other-self. Having my sister in the house and seeing her after feeling that for a split second and seeing that she was me it unlocked an understanding of unconditional love. This has stayed with me past the end of the trip although not as clearly as in that moment but still extremely clear.

So yeh go get some bro.

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Sorry, to answer your questions it turbo-charges the third eye.

[Liet]

11 chakras?

Actualy, there are many more than 11 areas which frequencies can affect....
But these are the ones that do the best job of growing outwards in every direction.

You could simplify the 11 down to 2, active and passive...
Where you only need a frequency the lowest of each to get the whole, because they grow into eachothers within each individual chain and become one and the same...
Also, the 1-4-7-10 chain will merge with the 3-6-9 chain if the 2-5-8-11 is present.

My guess is that i did NOT make you much wiser
See: The Spectrum

To be honest I don't feel like it weakens any.

• Does it lessen your ability to speak your mind?
  
• Does it make you lie?
  
• Does it make you less relaxed?
  
• Does it make you feel dirty/unclean?
  
• Does it make you affraid?
  

I'm sure it has some of these atributes.

I suspect it unlocks the veil to a small degree. Some trips have had bad periods of absolute terror but those are needed. The trip I had last night blew my mind. By far the most euphoric and educational trip or experience in general to date. The best thing about it is I had relatively no come down and still feel different in an extreme way. A big chunk of distortion was shed last night I feel.

"[...]Sorry, to answer your questions it turbo-charges the third eye."

Unlocks the veil to some degree, durr, sure it does, all psycadelics do... Thats why they are called psycadelics, they are all active within the pineal gland/forehead to some extent, and often the yellow ray aswell..
But the yellow ray activity is a very delicate matter, seeing as if it shifts 2-3% in color tone, it has a very different effect, you gotta learn how to fine-taste :p

Once you drop them though there is no turning back for 8-10 hours so set aside a day or two where you can be comfortable. I would also recommend you have a friend with you, the presence of another self is extremely comforting. Seeing that there is only you for the first time is extremely frightening in a lonely way, this is the feeling that caused me to rebound and understand the worth of the other-self. Having my sister in the house and seeing her after feeling that for a split second and seeing that she was me it unlocked an understanding of unconditional love. This has stayed with me past the end of the trip although not as clearly as in that moment but still extremely clear.

So yeh go get some bro.

No thx, dont really care anymore.
I absorb the learnings available asap and carry on towards next challange...
Prefer not spending much more time having experiences than i need to.
-In a hurry to grow, still not completely neglecting the beautiful sights-
Experience vs Learnings, i currently value them 1 to 2'ish (since i havent reached my goal... i'm not ready to freeze time just yet)

If you wanna understand the meaning of unconditional love, go for extasy or methylone,
both having spectrums very similar to that of the moon's aura.

Experience blizz first while ungrounded, just to knows what it is... then recreate it but without the lightheaded, unstable, ungrounded mindset that drugs (or imbalance in general) cause.
Being ungrounded feels extremely unnatural to me, i dont like seeing my legs bare (they need to be covered, pref in black)
The "legs" are a part of the spectrum before/below "1" meaning their natural state is being located within the crown chakra of the octave below us.

[Avocado]

"Experience blizz first while ungrounded, just to knows what it is... then recreate it but without the lightheaded, unstable, ungrounded mindset that drugs (or imbalance in general) cause. "

I know what you mean. I don't want to ingest god molecules anymore, I want to produce some of my own. Arrgg I just want to get high from my body! (or spirit or whatever ) I know I have to be patient.

I'm glad tripping works for you though Sagi, it sounds amazing. Even though I gave it up I still eat cannabis occasionally. It makes me feel like poodoo but I like it. It opens up my fear for personal inspection.

[Steppingfeet]

Hey sorry to disturb. Just a friendly reminder about this particular guideline:

9) Many if not all of us have had – or know someone who has had – experience with drugs. We have likely seen at first hand both the joys and the sorrows of drugs: the memorable moments of communing in the open heart with others; the destruction of self and/or others caused or exacerbated by drugs; and, at its best but perhaps most suspect, the spiritual insight and understanding that variably results.

We ask that the following guidelines be honored when speaking about drugs:

a) That the means of creating, obtaining, or distributing any illegal substance (whether it “should” be illegal or not) be left completely off of the public discussion table.

b) That any and all discussion of drug use be placed within the larger context of spiritual evolution. For better or worse, how does a particular drug, or drugs in general, affect your spiritual evolution? What role have drugs played in the spiritual evolution of humankind? What part did your positive and/or negative experiences with drugs have in your own spiritual evolution?

c) That use of illegal drugs never be promoted to other members as a means for evolving, healing, growing, improving, etc. Members may report of their own experiences, but are not permitted to suggest to any other member that such experiences may be replicated. It will always remain to the reader’s discrimination whether any particular drug is worthy of further consideration. No one is ever to be persuaded, swayed, won over, or influenced to change their own perspective on drugs through any means other than the sharing of ones own perspective with no motive save to share the experience.

Specifically item "c". Danke schoen. : )

[Sagittarius]

11 chakras?

Actualy, there are many more than 11 areas which frequencies can affect....
But these are the ones that do the best job of growing outwards in every direction.

You could simplify the 11 down to 2, active and passive...
Where you only need a frequency the lowest of each to get the whole, because they grow into eachothers within each individual chain and become one and the same...
Also, the 1-4-7-10 chain will merge with the 3-6-9 chain if the 2-5-8-11 is present.

My guess is that i did NOT make you much wiser
See: The Spectrum

To be honest I don't feel like it weakens any.

• Does it lessen your ability to speak your mind?
  
• Does it make you lie?
  
• Does it make you less relaxed?
  
• Does it make you feel dirty/unclean?
  
• Does it make you affraid?
  

I'm sure it has some of these atributes.

I suspect it unlocks the veil to a small degree. Some trips have had bad periods of absolute terror but those are needed. The trip I had last night blew my mind. By far the most euphoric and educational trip or experience in general to date. The best thing about it is I had relatively no come down and still feel different in an extreme way. A big chunk of distortion was shed last night I feel.

"[...]Sorry, to answer your questions it turbo-charges the third eye."

Unlocks the veil to some degree, durr, sure it does, all psycadelics do... Thats why they are called psycadelics, they are all active within the pineal gland/forehead to some extent, and often the yellow ray aswell..
But the yellow ray activity is a very delicate matter, seeing as if it shifts 2-3% in color tone, it has a very different effect, you gotta learn how to fine-taste :p

Once you drop them though there is no turning back for 8-10 hours so set aside a day or two where you can be comfortable. I would also recommend you have a friend with you, the presence of another self is extremely comforting. Seeing that there is only you for the first time is extremely frightening in a lonely way, this is the feeling that caused me to rebound and understand the worth of the other-self. Having my sister in the house and seeing her after feeling that for a split second and seeing that she was me it unlocked an understanding of unconditional love. This has stayed with me past the end of the trip although not as clearly as in that moment but still extremely clear.

So yeh go get some bro.

No thx, dont really care anymore.
I absorb the learnings available asap and carry on towards next challange...
Prefer not spending much more time having experiences than i need to.
-In a hurry to grow, still not completely neglecting the beautiful sights-
Experience vs Learnings, i currently value them 1 to 2'ish (since i havent reached my goal... i'm not ready to freeze time just yet)

If you wanna understand the meaning of unconditional love, go for extasy or methylone,
both having spectrums very similar to that of the moon's aura.

Experience blizz first while ungrounded, just to knows what it is... then recreate it but without the lightheaded, unstable, ungrounded mindset that drugs (or imbalance in general) cause.
Being ungrounded feels extremely unnatural to me, i dont like seeing my legs bare (they need to be covered, pref in black)
The "legs" are a part of the spectrum before/below "1" meaning their natural state is being located within the crown chakra of the octave below us.

Just going to have to try it yourself I can't define the trip with those attributes as every trip is different. The one 2 days ago now felt like the most stable by far. Didn't feel drained during or after the trip, energy flow stayed pretty intense and euphoric (more euphoric then any mdma I have taken). I didn't feel ungrounded at all. If anything I felt more grounded then usual. I'am sure you would take a lot out of the trip Liet. Now that you mention it the yellow ray would probably be the most unstable during a trip. Depending on your state you could either be extremely confident in yourself or extremely unsure of yourself.

Also sorry GLB I'am not recommending you take LSD unless you have experience/are confident. Very intense drug and not for everyone.

[Steppingfeet]

Also sorry GLB I'am not recommending you take LSD unless you have experience/are confident. Very intense drug and not for everyone.

Sagittarius, thank you for that note. Very nice of you to take my constitution and preparedness into account before recommending/not recommending that I ingest LSD.

Perhaps however you missed the reason for my post to this thread. I shall endeavor an explanation.

c) That use of illegal drugs never be promoted to other members as a means for evolving, healing, growing, improving, etc. Members may report of their own experiences, but are not permitted to suggest to any other member that such experiences may be replicated. It will always remain to the reader’s discrimination whether any particular drug is worthy of further consideration. No one is ever to be persuaded, swayed, won over, or influenced to change their own perspective on drugs through any means other than the sharing of ones own perspective with no motive save to share the experience.

You've got good information to share, and plenty of valid, personal experience on the matter, but some portions of your posting move into the promotion of LSD with instruction for use. We request that such discussion happen via PM between interested parties. It's the most balanced, reasonable, and law-abiding way we can think to structure discussion on illegal substances.

It's a fine line to walk, and I apologize for any inconvenience to your discussion. Just do try to be mindful please.

Also, the posting on LSD has veered tremendously from Plenum's original post regarding depictions of the crown chakra.

: ) GLB

[godwide_void]

Narcotic drugs (heroin, coke/crack, meth, etc.) have absolutely no value and are poison for the spirit, and the thought of trying them shouldn't even be entertained.

Psychedelics are highly useful mental tools, when used responsibly, safely, and in moderation.

Enteogens, when viewed as sacraments and used with reverence, with the intent of divine communion, can be ineffably profound. The title beneath my username should already make it obvious how deeply I acknowledge their potential and immense spiritual benefits. However, I no longer need to rely or pursue entheogens for any answer anymore as I have already once achieved the most sought-after of all experiences and the goal of the hesychasts (beatific vision) and thus have no real reason to venture further, as I've been the furthest that is possible. It is not to say that they no longer serve any purpose or use in life to me, but their function has changed from tools of seeking to items of catharsis, harnessing and manifestation (of which Tlitliltzin/Ololiuqui reign supreme).

When a molecule that is produced within you allows you to unexpectedly peer into the 8th Density, I'm fairly certain it registers as "beyond good". DMT, whether in the medicine brew form of Ayahuasca or smoked, is the key.

[Amiyou]

As I heard a wise man say,
"If you are thinking about experimenting with drugs, the first place you should go, is the library"
-Terrence McKenna.
And I would also suggest listening to, Terrence McKenna speak about various other things too, there are numerous videos on YouTube.
He had a lot to say, and he said it so well.

[godwide_void]

McKenna did good by shedding light on DMT and jettisoning interest into it. Hearing someone as seemingly intelligent as him describe these experiences of hyperdimensional perception and encountering sentient beings (both cute and cuddly and calculated insectoid-like) was more than enough to pique my interest, and what I found goes beyond anything I ever expected from it. His study of the I Ching and related Timewave Zero/2012 talks are also intriguing, and as Amiyou pointed out... pretty much everything he had to say.

It's a shame he's no longer with us, but something tells me he's meandering in the trippiest regions of the ether, effectively BECOMING a DMT entity! Guy must be ecstatic right now.

[Shin'Ar]

If a person could use drugs in a manner that was beneficial to them, of course they would be of no danger.

The problem is that drugs can be highly addictive. And most people do not become aware of their addiction unitl it is too late. many lives have been ruined complelty by drug use.

Does that mean drugs are bad?

They are certainly dangerous, despite their benefits.

[Diana]

In my opinion, the very base of where to start with such a topic is self.

If you are a whole self, balanced, content, not needy, and if you WANT (but do not need) to use a drug as a tool for spiritual experience such as a shamanic journey, it seems appropriate.

If you are not whole, not content, unbalanced at all, and you feel you NEED to use a drug to experience something that is alluding you, it does not seem appropriate.

Before using drugs for evolution, I would work on self the hard way: going within, questioning self, embracing change.

[Shin'Ar]

I would not go as far as to say that a person who might be prone to addiction is not a whole person Diana.

It is a matter of fact that many addicts do not even know they are prone to addcition until it is too late.

[Edinburgh]

And update on my use of Ayahuasca - I've posted this on another thread, but I felt it was worth sharing with other friends here as well - so excuse the double post.

I used ayahuasca for an initial awakening, and release from the central viewpoint of 'me' to 'the other' ... this for a total of three times over a couple of years.

Later I discovered Tom Campbell, and the Binaural beats/ Hemi Sync/ Bob Monroe information. All about getting out of body WITHOUT any plants, chemicals, etc. Using more of a meditation, a deep meditation, using audio, to go into altered states.

Tom Campbell makes the point in on of his lectures at Calgary (all on Youtube) - that using entheogens to get a taste for 'the other' is good, but entheogens don't allow you to control the experience, it's very much a roller coaster ride. But controlled meditative/ out of body (OOB) via binaural beats is very much more helpful and constructive. Your intent is very much in the drivers seat and as such the higher self is more present. Don't be surprised to feel intuition and suchlike much increased.

So after 4 years, of a spiritual journey, I say yes to entheogens/ ayahuasca/ other plants, but no to continued use.

Aren't we here on Earth now to focus on this existence and learn here, not to be 'off world' all the time :-)