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    03-30-2013, 04:05 AM
    i do believe that a lot of people on b4th feel extreme pain at being here on this planet. many here are empaths and feel the pain of this world. i know i certainly do. and i think many of us feel an extreme homesickness for a place that we know exists which is SO unlike this planet that we live on. personally i dont feel the need for a lot of contact with people talking about stuff i dont care about. i find that most people are not socially involved and just accept what is going on and are involved with their own lives and thats it. i am not criticizing but i am saying it doesnt interest me . sigh anyway it is not uncommon if u hang out here to feel a homesickness for a different world. the worlds that we left to come here and help out sigh. just some thoughts

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    03-30-2013, 05:07 AM
    I think it's commendable to be service oriented while being comparatively ignorant of other realities, I believe that's the whole of point of the "veil". It's less so if one believes in 4D, being "saved" etc. I don't personally believe Ra came here to create a new cult or even educate wanderers, only to correct past misinterpretations of their teachings (a karmic involvement).
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    03-30-2013, 05:13 AM
    (03-30-2013, 05:07 AM)greywolf Wrote: I think it's commendable to be service oriented while being comparatively ignorant of other realities, I believe that's the whole of point of the "veil". It's less so if one believes in 4D, being "saved" etc. I don't personally believe Ra came here to create a new cult or even educate wanderers, only to correct past misinterpretations of their teachings (a karmic involvement).

    I really loved your comment! Smile

    Thank you Heart
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    03-30-2013, 06:56 AM (This post was last modified: 03-30-2013, 06:57 AM by Ankh.)
    (03-30-2013, 04:05 AM)norral Wrote: i do believe that a lot of people on b4th feel extreme pain at being here on this planet. many here are empaths and feel the pain of this world. i know i certainly do. and i think many of us feel an extreme homesickness for a place that we know exists which is SO unlike this planet that we live on. personally i dont feel the need for a lot of contact with people talking about stuff i dont care about. i find that most people are not socially involved and just accept what is going on and are involved with their own lives and thats it. i am not criticizing but i am saying it doesnt interest me . sigh anyway it is not uncommon if u hang out here to feel a homesickness for a different world. the worlds that we left to come here and help out sigh. just some thoughts

    norral Heart

    I completely understand you, brother. I experienced this catalyst very intensively just 12 hours ago or so. Like I am misplaced here, or something. People are rather sitting and watching TV and talking about what celebrity did what, instead of educating themselves on why they are here... And I'm not interested in what others are interested in, so I asked myself yesterday - what the hell am I doing here really? I have nothing to offer to this world... But the good thing, Norral, is that even this feeling passed, and I once again feel gratitude to the Creator and this hopeleness I felt yesterday night, is now almost gone...

    But speaking of pain and tiredness of being here, it is comments like this that makes me to experience it:

    (03-30-2013, 05:07 AM)greywolf Wrote: I don't personally believe Ra came here to create a new cult or even educate wanderers, only to correct past misinterpretations of their teachings (a karmic involvement).

    I interpret this comment as Ra wouldn't give a rat's ass about us if it wouldn't be for karma... I might be wrong in my interpretation, greywolf, and if so, I appologize. But this comment brought me pain and tiredness. I loose hope and feel tired... But I will try to accept even this, and I will try to be grateful to the Creator for even this experience, and I will try to correct this distortion I am now feeling. Thank you for pointing it out to me, greywolf.
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    03-30-2013, 07:20 AM
    (03-30-2013, 06:56 AM)Ankh Wrote: ... - what the hell am I doing here really? I have nothing to offer to this world...

    Dear Ankh, I have done some very heinous things in my life and I am one of the most depressive and negative people someone might ever meet, if they get close to me. I am working on altering the latter and creating a more happy destiny, for myself and others around me. But to stick to what I am trying to say, i.e., I really have no moral footing to point out this quote to you. However, I thought I should do so, since you are talking about what necessarily does your presence serve on the planet.

    I am sure this is again one of those quotes, of which you are greatly familiar. Yet, here goes --

    Quote:65.12 Questioner: Then each of the Wanderers here acts as a function of the biases he has developed in any way he sees fit to communicate or simply be in his polarity to aid the total consciousness of the planet. Is there any physical way in which he aids, perhaps by his vibrations somehow just adding to the planet just as electrical polarity or charging a battery? Does that also aid the planet, just the physical presence of the Wanderers?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and the mechanism is precisely as you state. We intended this meaning in the second portion of our previous answer.

    You may, at this time, note that as with any entities, each Wanderer has its unique abilities, biases, and specialties so that from each portion of each density represented among the Wanderers comes an array of pre-incarnative talents which then may be expressed upon this plane which you now experience so that each Wanderer, in offering itself before incarnation, has some special service to offer in addition to the doubling effect of planetary love and light and the basic function of serving as beacon or shepherd.

    Thus there are those of fifth density whose abilities to express wisdom are great. There are fourth- and sixth-density Wanderers whose ability to serve as, shall we say, passive radiators or broadcasters of love and love/light are immense. There are many others whose talents brought into this density are quite varied.

    Thus Wanderers have three basic functions once the forgetting is penetrated, the first two being basic, the tertiary one being unique to that particular mind/body/spirit complex.

    We may note at this point while you ponder the possibility/probability vortices that although you have many, many items which cause distress and thus offer seeking and service opportunities, there is always one container in that store of peace, love, light, and joy. This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment. Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.

    I do not think I need to add any more remarks. Smile Heart
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    03-30-2013, 08:22 AM
    (03-30-2013, 04:05 AM)norral Wrote: i do believe that a lot of people on b4th feel extreme pain at being here on this planet. many here are empaths and feel the pain of this world. i know i certainly do. and i think many of us feel an extreme homesickness for a place that we know exists which is SO unlike this planet that we live on. personally i dont feel the need for a lot of contact with people talking about stuff i dont care about.
    norral Heart

    It was this way for much of my life. Things have turned around, though. I was struck just a few days ago, by the realization that all of the mean people have vanished from my life, and that I am surrounded by wonderful, loving souls, people who are honest, kind, and compassionate. And this gave me a lift, as I realize that the entities who surround us also act as mirrors....they are our teachers.
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    03-30-2013, 09:56 AM (This post was last modified: 03-30-2013, 10:02 AM by norral.)
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    i totally disagree with your thoughts about yourself brother. i dont see any negativity in you. just dont see it. i am not just saying that . u have the wrong image of yourself my brother.
    wonderful thoughts from everyone here, absolutely wonderful. the thought came to me after i wrote this .the only solution is to become god. literally. in the sense perfrom a miracle . heal someone, levitate in public . something that will totally blow everyones mind including your own ha ha.
    now u are going to say, ok norral has jumped over the edge ha ha. well i have been over the edge a long long time now ha ha . but really words are one thing but if someone does something just totally out of the norm, let say like telling another exactly what they are thinking or what they ate yesterday for dinner exactly well whoa buddy u now have an entirely different audience. and im not talking about one of us. to me the time of the single guru is so so done. i mean a bunch of people all around the world exhibiting basically power and using that power for good. now that would really be something. we have all had glimpses , experiences now is the time to be able to have these things at will. that i believe is the challenge NOW right now.
    u know i can write all the heartfelt poetry in the world and a few will listen a few who are ready. if i suddenly do something totally unexpected and out of the norm whoa all of sudden the whole paradigm has changed. and we know it is possible. the challenge right now is to do it. and that will bring us much joy and bring much joy to others because it will bring others hope that they can do it too.

    just some thoughts here

    what i am saying is that from this day forward not a day will pass in my life that does not include intense prayer and meditation. all with the express purpose of bringing forth good into this world that cannot be denied. that is my personal pledge , it is all very very clear to me now . it will be my contribution to the good of the whole .

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    03-30-2013, 10:25 AM
    Thank you, brother Confused! Heart
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    03-30-2013, 11:41 AM (This post was last modified: 03-30-2013, 11:42 AM by Ankh.)
    (03-30-2013, 07:20 AM)Confused Wrote: Dear Ankh, I have done some very heinous things in my life and I am one of the most depressive and negative people someone might ever meet, if they get close to me.

    You know, I thought about this for a while... Brother, do you know in your deeper self, that self that you sometimes don't want to face, that this is not true...? That you've also done very loving and light-filled things in your life, and that you are a positive person when someone gets close to you...? Do you in some parts of your mind/self, even though it's difficult and you would rather dwell in misery, still perceive this?

    You know, Ra said that you are all things. Yes, they said, you are love/light, light/love, but they said - you are ALL things. Every emotion, every situation, every event... Soooo, if you are the most depressive and most negative person when someone gets close to you, then you are the opposite too, right? Or do you disagree with Ra? BigSmile

    And I swear to God and hope to die, that it is true. We got to know each other for... what now? 2, 3 years ago? And I have felt and sensed the side that you are speaking of on more than one occasions, Confused, but I also felt sad because it seemed to me that you never saw your opposite side, or at least acknowledged that it was and is there... The side which is of light and love. Read the quote that you posted in this thread again, Confused, because it is about you too... Heart

    What I am also trying to say is that we are not always in the light-filled and loving place. For instance, for some time now I was very afraid to show and share my dark side with my mate. I was afraid that he would stop loving me if I did, because he always says what a light I am. Or how much joy I bring to him. Well, sometimes I don't feel that, because I am dwelling in a dark place and very depressed. I feel the *opposite* of light and love. So yeah, I was afraid of sharing with him how I always felt, until one day, when I realized that I couldn't stand it anymore. I am all things, so I am a darkness. I am depressed. And so on and so forth.

    That experience brought me further into actually sharing myself with others too. I mean, heck! If I can share my dark side with a person who are one of the most important ones in my life, and who I am afraid of losing, then heck I can sure share myself with anybody else, right...? Because sometimes, maybe when people ask you how you are doing, they just want to hear an *honest* answer, and not the usual that "all is great". Maybe for some you will serve by being yourself and saying "well, heck, I wish I could tell you that all is great, but actually... for the moment it sucks, because of xyz!" And in that case, they will perhaps relax themselves and tell you what is bothering *them* - and there! You served, and you and that other person came closer to the unity with each other, right...?

    Anywho, I also wanted to share what a dearest friend to me said for not so long ago: "If you fall in love with all of your emotions, all emotions become love." Wow! Ra itself couldn't say it more eloquently! :p

    Much love and light to you, Confused! Heart
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    This is a pretty thread, much growth. Smile

    To add my own thoughts, I will say this: Home is where the heart is, and all hearts are one.
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    03-30-2013, 06:45 PM (This post was last modified: 03-30-2013, 06:51 PM by Confused.)
    (03-30-2013, 09:56 AM)norral Wrote: the only solution is to become god.

    Thank you deeply for the kind words, norral.

    Just had a question. With respect to what you said (attached above), did you mean actualizing our potential as co-creators, actually?

    (03-30-2013, 11:41 AM)Ankh Wrote: Or do you disagree with Ra?

    If I do so, you will not talk to me. So, I will not disagree Tongue

    Thanks again for taking the time for such a lovely and uplifting post. It is funny that we each think that the other is torturing oneself, needlessly.

    I do not know whether those are mere projections or we are acting as mirrors. Just like Ra said --
    Quote:101.8 Questioner: Thank you. Could Ra give information on any way that we could give information to (name) as to how to alleviate her present condition of swelling?

    Ra: I am Ra. We may only suggest that the honor of propinquity to light carries with it the Law of Responsibility. The duty to refrain from contumely, discord, and all things which, when unresolved within, make way for workings lies before the instrument of which you speak. This entity may, if it is desired by the scribe, share our comments upon the working of the latter entity.

    The entity which is given constant and unremitting approval by those surrounding it suffers from the loss of the mirroring effect of those which reflect truthfully rather than unquestioningly. This is not a suggestion to reinstate judgment but merely a suggestion for all those supporting instruments; that is, support, be harmonious, share in love, joy, and thanksgiving, but find love within truth, for each instrument benefits from this support more than from the total admiration which overcomes discrimination.
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    03-30-2013, 09:23 PM
    yes i absolutely do brother. we all have words. there have been so many words. but why did people listen to christ. because of the miracles he did. that was what impressed people. so what im saying is become the christ become the buddha. i believe it can be done if one wants it badly enough. as i said every day for the rest of my life will be filled with intense prayer and meditation.

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    03-30-2013, 09:43 PM
    (03-30-2013, 04:05 AM)norral Wrote: ... many of us feel an extreme homesickness for a place that we know exists which is SO unlike this planet that we live on...

    For years now, I have been homesick. I want to go home although I do not know where home is. Sometimes, I have thoughts of suicide, hoping to end it all. I was quite disappointed when nothing happen (physically to me) during "doom" or "end" dates given by many channelers. Worst was Dec 21, 2012, when nothing seemed to have happened. I am still here with my homesickness.

    And then these statements from Ra hit me.

    Quote:Ra: .... The challenge/danger of the Wanderer is that it will forget its mission, become karmically involved, and thus be swept into the maelstrom from which it had incarnated to aid the destruction.

    Questioner: What could one of these entities do to become karmically involved?.

    Ra: I am Ra. An entity which acts in a consciously unloving manner in action with other beings can become karmically involved.

    Did I get myself karmically involved with 3D issues that I forgot my mission?

    I am now back at work, to help as many people who want my help. I try to increase the vibrational level everywhere I go, by being more cheerful and appreciative of other people.
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    03-30-2013, 10:04 PM
    (03-30-2013, 09:23 PM)norral Wrote: i believe it can be done if one wants it badly enough.

    Cool

    Heart

    You are awesome!
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    03-31-2013, 12:16 AM
    (03-30-2013, 07:20 AM)Confused Wrote:
    (03-30-2013, 06:56 AM)Ankh Wrote: ... - what the hell am I doing here really? I have nothing to offer to this world...

    Dear Ankh, I have done some very heinous things in my life and I am one of the most depressive and negative people someone might ever meet, if they get close to me. I am working on altering the latter and creating a more happy destiny, for myself and others around me. But to stick to what I am trying to say, i.e., I really have no moral footing to point out this quote to you. However, I thought I should do so, since you are talking about what necessarily does your presence serve on the planet.

    I am sure this is again one of those quotes, of which you are greatly familiar. Yet, here goes --

    Quote:65.12 Questioner: Then each of the Wanderers here acts as a function of the biases he has developed in any way he sees fit to communicate or simply be in his polarity to aid the total consciousness of the planet. Is there any physical way in which he aids, perhaps by his vibrations somehow just adding to the planet just as electrical polarity or charging a battery? Does that also aid the planet, just the physical presence of the Wanderers?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and the mechanism is precisely as you state. We intended this meaning in the second portion of our previous answer.

    You may, at this time, note that as with any entities, each Wanderer has its unique abilities, biases, and specialties so that from each portion of each density represented among the Wanderers comes an array of pre-incarnative talents which then may be expressed upon this plane which you now experience so that each Wanderer, in offering itself before incarnation, has some special service to offer in addition to the doubling effect of planetary love and light and the basic function of serving as beacon or shepherd.

    Thus there are those of fifth density whose abilities to express wisdom are great. There are fourth- and sixth-density Wanderers whose ability to serve as, shall we say, passive radiators or broadcasters of love and love/light are immense. There are many others whose talents brought into this density are quite varied.

    Thus Wanderers have three basic functions once the forgetting is penetrated, the first two being basic, the tertiary one being unique to that particular mind/body/spirit complex.

    We may note at this point while you ponder the possibility/probability vortices that although you have many, many items which cause distress and thus offer seeking and service opportunities, there is always one container in that store of peace, love, light, and joy. This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment. Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.

    I do not think I need to add any more remarks. Smile Heart

    This passive radiator part I have personal experiences with: at least three coworkers have told me that my presence in the office or court brings about this calming energy. This started to occur in late 2012.

    I feel like my body is made of energy, and when there is nearby inharmonious energy then I start to filter it. Sometimes I don't want because the negativity is so great - I can wall myself off, but I feel closed. Instead I try to accept the energy and the draw energy in from my crown and out through the souls of my feet. This seems to help immensely.
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    03-31-2013, 12:41 AM
    (03-31-2013, 12:16 AM)xise Wrote: I feel like my body is made of energy, and when there is nearby....

    Don asked a very clever question there. I think Don sort of was articulating his deduction that the physical presence of a Wanderer helps the planet get energized or charged, like a battery.

    There is a telling quote that can illuminate somewhat on that front, I think --

    Quote:60.20 Questioner: In trying to understand the creative energies, it has occurred to me that I really do not understand why unusable heat is generated as our Earth moves from third into fourth density. I know it has to do with disharmony between the vibrations of third and fourth density but why this would show up as a physical heating within the Earth is beyond me. Can you enlighten me on that?

    Ra: I am Ra. The concepts are somewhat difficult to penetrate in your language. However, we shall attempt to speak to the subject. If an entity is not in harmony with its circumstances it feels a burning within. The temperature of the physical vehicle does not yet rise, only the heat of the temper or the tears, as we may describe this disharmony. However, if an entity persists for a long period of your space/time in feeling this emotive heat and disharmony, the entire body complex will begin to resonate to this disharmony, and the disharmony will then show up as the cancer or other degenerative distortions from what you call health.

    When an entire planetary system of peoples and cultures repeatedly experiences disharmony on a great scale the earth under the feet of these entities shall begin to resonate with this disharmony.
    Due to the nature of the physical vehicle, disharmony shows up as a blockage of growth or an uncontrolled growth since the primary function of a mind/body/spirit complex’s bodily complex is growth and maintenance. In the case of your planet the purpose of the planet is the maintenance of orbit and the proper location or orientation with regards to other cosmic influences. In order to have this occurring properly the interior of your sphere is hot in your physical terms. Thus instead of uncontrolled growth you begin to experience uncontrolled heat and its expansive consequences.

    Quote:54.27 Questioner: Would you please do that?

    Ra: The origin of all energy is the action of free will upon love. The nature of all energy is light. The means of its ingress into the mind/body/spirit complex is duple.

    Firstly, there is the inner light which is Polaris of the self, the guiding star. This is the birthright and true nature of all entities. This energy dwells within.

    The second point of ingress is the polar opposite of the North Star, shall we say, and may be seen, if you wish to use the physical body as an analog for the magnetic field, as coming through the feet from the earth and through the lower point of the spine. This point of ingress of the universal light energy is undifferentiated until it begins its filtering process through the energy centers. The requirements of each center and the efficiency with which the individual has learned to tap into the inner light determine the nature of the use made by the entity of these in-streamings.

    There seems to be a sort of two-way energy exchange happening, between the earth and humans (through the feet), all the time. In the case of Wanderers, I think that exchange helps the planet charge itself electrically or like charging a battery (using Don's words), a mechanism that Ra confirmed as precise. Ra does not confirm scientific mechanisms that easily BigSmile
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    03-31-2013, 05:32 AM
    brother wai
    imho that is exactly what is needed on this planet. those who seek to uplift and encourage. love u brother
    brother C
    thanks for the kind thought. i would like to modify your words slightly brother if i may be so bold.
    u said " u are awesome "
    i say " we. collectively, the brothers and sisters of b4th are awesome"

    norral Heart
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    04-05-2013, 03:37 AM (This post was last modified: 04-05-2013, 03:42 AM by norral.)
    talks about the crystal energy. it fits here

    http://goldenageofgaia.com/2013/03/jenni...al-energy/


    and if he isnt a wanderer i'll eat my hat

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyg8Np743uE
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    04-05-2013, 10:03 AM (This post was last modified: 04-05-2013, 10:14 AM by Ruth.)
    (04-05-2013, 03:37 AM)norral Wrote: talks about the crystal energy. it fits here

    http://goldenageofgaia.com/2013/03/jenni...al-energy/


    and if he isnt a wanderer i'll eat my hat

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyg8Np743uE


    Thanks for sharing this, norral. It's right on!

    In particular, this portion spoke to me (bold added by me):

    "Crystals feel like old souls, wise in spiritual matters, but often very child-like when it comes to matters of the material world. Their biggest life challenge is to stay grounded, focused and within their energy, but not exclude the world and retreat into their own safe energetic space. By balancing their empathy with detachment, setting strong energetic boundaries and using their healing abilities from a point of empowerment, rather than as martyrs, they offer solutions to many of the world’s problems and can help others find empowerment from within their own spiritual centers. Without detachment though, they can easy lose their focus, become ungrounded and float through life in a sort of energetic limbo."
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    04-05-2013, 12:42 PM (This post was last modified: 04-05-2013, 12:43 PM by norral.)
    i am really searching for meaning to all this. life without love is meaningless as far as i am concerned. and i look out into this world and i see so much coldness. many times on the weekends i barely leave my house as i dont really like the interaction with a lot of people. a lot of self absorbed people ha ha. i tend to be an extrovert but i find so many dont want to have any contact at all with others. anyway something is coming a piercing of the veil a breakthru where we are embraced very directly by the heavenly realms. and there will be tremendous comfort in that. kindness and love are the order of the day

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    just one question ruthie do u feel u are an empath. i think many many on this board are . and that empathy can definitely cause two things anger and depression . i find i cannot shut out the pain of this world i just cant.
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    04-05-2013, 12:50 PM
    (04-05-2013, 10:03 AM)Ruth Wrote: In particular, this portion spoke to me (bold added by me):

    "Crystals feel like old souls, wise in spiritual matters, but often very child-like when it comes to matters of the material world. Their biggest life challenge is to stay grounded, focused and within their energy, but not exclude the world and retreat into their own safe energetic space. By balancing their empathy with detachment, setting strong energetic boundaries and using their healing abilities from a point of empowerment, rather than as martyrs, they offer solutions to many of the world’s problems and can help others find empowerment from within their own spiritual centers. Without detachment though, they can easy lose their focus, become ungrounded and float through life in a sort of energetic limbo."

    "Crystals", wanderers, travellers, start seeds - same concept, different names if you ask me. The danger that a wanderer faces is that it forgets its "mission". Something that Confused touched in this post, and I made a thread about it, is what I believe you bolded in the above post. It's just said with different words.

    So I guess it's good to wake up and start working, doing what we came here to do.



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    04-05-2013, 01:04 PM (This post was last modified: 04-05-2013, 01:05 PM by Ruth.)
    (04-05-2013, 12:50 PM)Ankh Wrote:
    (04-05-2013, 10:03 AM)Ruth Wrote: In particular, this portion spoke to me (bold added by me):

    "Crystals feel like old souls, wise in spiritual matters, but often very child-like when it comes to matters of the material world. Their biggest life challenge is to stay grounded, focused and within their energy, but not exclude the world and retreat into their own safe energetic space. By balancing their empathy with detachment, setting strong energetic boundaries and using their healing abilities from a point of empowerment, rather than as martyrs, they offer solutions to many of the world’s problems and can help others find empowerment from within their own spiritual centers. Without detachment though, they can easy lose their focus, become ungrounded and float through life in a sort of energetic limbo."

    "Crystals", wanderers, travellers, start seeds - same concept, different names if you ask me. The danger that a wanderer faces is that it forgets its "mission". Something that Confused touched in this post, and I made a thread about it, is what I believe you bolded in the above post. It's just said with different words.

    So I guess it's good to wake up and start working, doing what we came here to do.



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    Thank you Ankh - the video and music are very nice.

    I would agree that the various labels are often just different ways of expressing the same concept. However, just as "human, human being, person, man, mankind, woman, womankind" all point to basically the same concept, there are subtle variances between the individuals who make up the group.

    This article spoke to me in a different way than the threads you linked to. Perhaps because I have been guilty of taking a "reatreat into [my] own safe energetic space." Did you read the entire article? Rather than talking about specific chakra combinations and rays and dimensions etc, it just gives a very basic description of the variances between two types of "wanderers". And it helped me put some things about myself into perspective. And actually, about my son.

    I have not forgotton my mission, but sometimes I have found it difficult to find my perfect balance.
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    04-05-2013, 02:22 PM
    i agree ruth . it isnt that i have forgotten my mission here. its just that sometimes i am overwhelmed with anger at the pain that i see on this planet which is obviously so very unnecessary and only caused by our disconnectedness to others. my battle is to not let this anger make me bitter to be quite honest, it most certainly could . even lao tzu , the writer of the tao. left society because he couldnt take the lack of love he witnessed. and he spent the rest of his days in isolation. so this is a problem that spiritually aware people have had for a long long time. for me the best thing i believe is to let my anger be transformed into an intense longing for union with god. which is what i am most definitely feeling. when we unite with god its not that all the pain doesnt exist anymore its that we are filled with such a deep deep peace that we are able to deal with it . just my thoughts.

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    04-05-2013, 02:30 PM
    (04-05-2013, 12:42 PM)norral Wrote: i am really searching for meaning to all this. life without love is meaningless as far as i am concerned. and i look out into this world and i see so much coldness. many times on the weekends i barely leave my house as i dont really like the interaction with a lot of people.

    I'm searching for the same thing, brother. So you are not alone. I search for love and harmony, and have such difficulties to find it here many times...

    But hopefully, one day... One day, all will be cleared and accepted inside of me, and I will stop search for it more... And start to radiate it to those who seek it. Smile

    (04-05-2013, 01:04 PM)Ruth Wrote: Thank you Ankh - the video and music are very nice.

    I would agree that the various labels are often just different ways of expressing the same concept. However, just as "human, human being, person, man, mankind, woman, womankind" all point to basically the same concept, there are subtle variances between the individuals who make up the group.

    This article spoke to me in a different way than the threads you linked to. Perhaps because I have been guilty of taking a "reatreat into [my] own safe energetic space." Did you read the entire article? Rather than talking about specific chakra combinations and rays and dimensions etc, it just gives a very basic description of the variances between two types of "wanderers". And it helped me put some things about myself into perspective. And actually, about my son.

    I have not forgotton my mission, but sometimes I have found it difficult to find my perfect balance.

    Oh no, I didn't mean that *you* have forgot your mission, Ruth. I think that you are a very powerful being, and are right on track! I was more speaking to myself here perhaps, that *I* forget my "mission" sometimes, and dwell in some kind of pain and homesickness instead.

    I haven't read the whole article, Ruth, just the part that you quoted. And it was that part that made me to think of this reverting to orange ray that I was referring to. Again, I was probably more speaking to myself than to you. I'm sorry. Smile

    But you know what I thought of? You said: "Perhaps because I have been guilty of taking a "reatreat into [my] own safe energetic space."" What is this "safe energetic space" that you are speaking of, Ruth? Would you mind to give more details about what this place is for *you*? Because I do the same thing, if the "own, safe energetic place" is the same concept for you as it is for me. What I do is that when this reversion to (red and) orange ray happens to me, I "flee" the present moment sometimes. Instead of dwelling in that pain, I flee to happy moments, happy memories and all kind of lighter, loving, harmonious realms. Sometimes it can be memories of my soulgroup, sometimes it can be visions and/or memories of other densities and vibrations, but common thing for them is that they are always happier and harmonious, lighter and loving. And you know what? I have been feeling guilty about it too, like you. I've been thinking that I shouldn't do this, but instead be present in the now. But I just came to think of that yes, it is well to work with the present moment, but when it is not possible, because maybe the present moment contains too much disharmony and heaviness sometimes, instead of dwelling in that and creating negative thoughts, I create positive thoughts and thought-forms (by fleeing and seeking the positive vibration in my mind/spirit?). As a part of this planetary consciousness, the thoughts that I have and create, become part of this planetary vibration, so I thought that maybe, these memories and thoughts that I flee to sometimes are not a bad thing at all, and nothing to be guilty about? But on contrary, when it becomes too much, fleeing to these thoughts, balances the negative thought-forms present on this Earth, and add to positive vibration of this planet? Just a thought though... :p

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    04-05-2013, 03:26 PM
    Ankh - It would be helpful, for the purpose of discussion in this particular thread, if you could read the entire article. Just as a point of reference. If you are not able to link to it let me know and I will copy it and paste it into a PM for you. The author is discussing the differences between those with Crystal energy vs Indigo energy. Her words resonated with me very strongly!

    And I didn't think you were saying anything about me, specifically. You have no need to apologize for anything at all dear one.

    And dearest brother norral, I have seen how you respond to the pain and disconnectedness you witness in our society. I don't respond in the same way that you do. I don't get angry. Rather I try to send so much love and light into the situation that I can become depleted and then depressed, overwhelmed, ineffective, and sad. And my own personal energy becomes diffused, distorted and depleted.

    From this article:

    "Being energetically sensitive can create a false sense of fear as they don’t often know how to separate their energy from that which they feel is around them. Being natural healers compels them to rush in and heal energy, rather than stepping back and applying healing energy at a higher level that they are more comfortable with."

    In one sense, the safe energetic space for me is quite real. A real space, here in my home, or on my own property. I can go days without leaving the house, or without leaving my own yard (when the weather allows me to be outside), quite happily so. And I started to say that it isn't out of fear, but I realize that in a way it is a sort of fear that keeps me home. Fear that I will not be able to keep my energy separate from what I feel from others I encounter along the way.

    When I was working full time, I believed I was able to separate my energy from those around me.  And I think I was, in fact, successful in doing this to some degree.  But I have also come to realize that I needed to have a deeper understanding of how to ". . . balance my empathy with detachment . . ." how to set ". . . strong energetic boundaries. . ." and to use my ". . . .healing abilities from a point of empowerment . . ."

    I've had this luxury of being able to stay home for long stretches of time off and on over the past five years year. Having this time all alone has given me the opportunity to really explore my energy and how to use it more effectively without losing myself. I've had more time to really find my own "center" my core, my NOW (as you mentioned). And I have learned how better to work from that point inside myself.

    And lately I've realized that it has become time for me to get back out there, so to speak. So really, it is as much a timing thing for me as it is a way to "stay safe." The truth is that we are always safe. And it has been ok for me to take a bit of a learning vacation from my mission. But it is time - for me at least - to get back to work in earnest.

    I hope that answers your question. Remember that you are on your own path. Anything I say is based on my own experience and current understanding of my experience. If it can help you, then you are welcome to it. If it does not resonate with you, then please, just let it fall away.

    Much love to you both, and to anyone who might read this.

    Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart
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    04-05-2013, 05:36 PM (This post was last modified: 04-05-2013, 05:40 PM by norral.)
    ankd said "But hopefully, one day... One day, all will be cleared and accepted inside of me, and I will stop search for it more... And start to radiate it to those who seek it. Smile"

    dear sister i think u hit on the key point. dont look for it radiate it. that is what people like deva premal and snatnam kaur do ( they are chanters who are very popular) or bono or gandhi or king or christ or buddha or Ra or peace pilgrim or any positive entity that has an impact on things. u can believe that they see as well as we do the pain and suffering of this world. no doubt about that. but they use that as a motivation to become a force for good. the lesson from your words sister is be positive . and i do believe that is very good advice. thanks for that thought and love to u and ruthie and every one on this thread.

    norral Heart

    snatnam kaur

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaha1ItYTSM

    deva premal

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8vOp_czyOE
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