People I believe to be Ra wanderers.

[Adonai One]

Let's just say Ra is just as human as anyone else in their incarnations. If you take the most experienced of entities, put them under the veil, most of them will be just as imbalanced as you and I. That's the beauty of third-density.

Alexander Hamilton:



Napoleon Bonaparte:



Alexander the Great (I was misled about this before, immensely.):

[Unbound]

I disagree about Alexander the Great, but I agree with the others aha

[Bring4th_Austin]

What is it about these people that leads you to believe that they are wanderers? And then what more about them makes you believe that they are specifically Ra wanderers?

[Sagittarius]

2 more dead-set wanderers of Ra.

[Rake]

2 more dead-set wanderers of Ra.

I'm fairly certain they are actually the same entity incarnating as the same time period. Just one is male and other is female.

[Sagittarius]

2 more dead-set wanderers of Ra.

I'm fairly certain they are actually the same entity incarnating as the same time period. Just one is male and other is female.

Yeh it's quite an easily identifiable allegory. A lot of meme's are popping up transposing the two on the web and talks of conspiracy brew about how there actually the same person :0.

[Fang]

Alexander Hamilton was an absolute cretin lol
A1, do you think it's interesting that the people you believe to be Ra wanderers are all people of considerable "power"? It's a concept that seems to be on your mind a lot.

[Raz]

How about buddha at the gas pump?
or your friendly neighborhood bartender? bartender sounds almost like Wanderer... There is a definet 'er' at the end at least

[reeay]

more wanderer threads

Self-Identified Wanderers
Ron Paul
Reincarnation
Ron Paul again
Oh goodness... Ron Paul again
Wanderers in the music industry
Most likely place to find wanderers
Finding a place amongst wanderers
Wanderers 'intelligently penetrating their status'

and lots more... lol this Ron Paul thing... but was he a Ra wanderer? hmmmm

[zenmaster]

If they're not in this reality, then they are in a parallel reality.

[Fang]

Woah it's like anyone who people like or "resonate" with suddenly get placed on the pedestal of "wanderer". "They fulfill and satisfy my biases, of course they are a wanderer" lol

It's interesting though because on Venus only two entities were ever truly "STS" and they were wanderers when their "native vibration" was 5th density. It somewhat goes against the grain to say that on reaching sixth density, the next threshold of spiritual development, heaps of 'em just incarnated here and went wild with power.

[reeay]

If they're not in this reality, then they are in a parallel reality.

Yes on another parallel reality created by daydreams, it's very possible that they are Ra wanderers lol

[Fang]

To play along though;
the only person I would put weight on being a "wanderer" would be the oracle of delphi (for the personal appeal of course, nothing actually resembling a reason), who would have been there at the induction of Plato (and perhaps even Socrates) to the Eleusinian Mysteries. Plato was of course Aristotle's teacher and Aristotle was of course Alexander the Great's teacher, so hey maybe we're not so different in our thinking lol.

[Fastidious Emanations]

none of it matters

[reeay]

If I play along, it would be the millions of people on this earth who so tirelessly serve in some capacity or another without really concerning themselves with these thoughts about being a wanderer or not. They aren't famous, they are ordinary, and they are unremarkable, you might say... but they just do their thing.

[zenmaster]

Given the proper context, it could matter or carry some weight. But throwing darts and seeing what sticks is kind of a random approach.

[Parsons]

Ra gave information on virtually all dead people on whether they were a wanderer or not. So, theoretically, finding a reliable enough channel, you could know if any historical figure was a wanderer/walkin.

As for current incarnations... The only chance of determining that is to know someone extremely well. Nearly all public figures will put up some kind of polite facade. This coupled with the inherent extreme difficulty of determing something like that make it nearly impossible to decipher if a current public figure is a wanderer or not.

To be quite honest, I only have a mild interest in knowing if past historical figures were wanderers. As for current historical figures, I have no interest because it is impossible to know for sure. Its all just speculation.

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PS: I must be prematurely turning into an old fart. I have no clue who those two are from Sag's post.

[zenmaster]

So, theoretically, finding a reliable enough channel,

How do you know if a channel is reliable Parsons?

[Parsons]

So, theoretically, finding a reliable enough channel,

How do you know if a channel is reliable Parsons?

This is off topic, but I'll bite:

My primary method is to (mostly) ignore the source of the material and focus on the message delivered. If it is too specific, delivers predictions of a specific nature, and/or seems to patronize the reader/listener, I keep 'adding salt' to it. I discard portions which get very salty, and if it gets too salty in general for my taste, I discard it entirely.

[reeay]

A lot of times the source and the message tie in. I dunno how these 2 could be separated. I could focus on the message and hear what I want to hear, then assess that the message is reliable... I mean a lot of self reflection and honesty has to go into discernment so as to check for that kind of thing.

[zenmaster]

Nah, it's totally on topic as it relates to discernment and what's involved in the decision making process. And if you don't want to make that effort, any notion can suggest a place where something may fit.

[Fang]

I can't think of a more fitting context than the discussion of channels to say "the medium is the message" lol

[caycegal]

If I play along, it would be the millions of people on this earth who so tirelessly serve in some capacity or another without really concerning themselves with these thoughts about being a wanderer or not. They aren't famous, they are ordinary, and they are unremarkable, you might say... but they just do their thing.

Yes, why look to famous people? Jesus clearly taught that the greatest among you is the one who serves the rest and washes their feet, not seeking glory or fame or riches.

[zenmaster]

And what does "greatness", or not being noteworthy, not seeking glory, fame, or riches have to do with being a wanderer? Why would one use the criteria of Jesus's measure of greatness as a means to qualify wanderer status.

[Unbound]

Also, why does it seem there is this constant battle between spiritual views in terms of "fame and fortune" and "obscurity" where claims are made against or for one or the other based purely on social position? I do not understand why the idea of famous people being spiritual or reincarnated is considered so "out there" but why it is considered a "reasonable" possibility that all other people who are not famous may be so. Why is there this separation in terms of apparent social quality?

Indeed, in terms of being a wanderer, I don't see why it is anymore likely for an obscure individual to be one than an absolutely famous individual to be, especially as concerns those individuals who only became famous way after their deaths. Famous or not, people are people.

[reeay]

I didn't mean famous people weren't wanderers. If there are 60 million + wanderers, most are not known. We identify them or try to bc they are public people but we're just trying to project some idealized notion of what we think is special.

Why can't wanderers be 'obscure' people like people on this forum? There are more of those than famous ones. And I'm not trying to make categories, that's a misunderstanding.

[Bring4th_Austin]

I think that there is often a conflation between people we admire, agree with, or identify with in a thematic sense, and the idea of wanderers or past lives.

Sure, it's completely possible that famous people are wanderers, or that an individual is the reincarnation of a famous person. But I think that the New Age community in general tends to over-identify with intuitive notions. As Ra said, intuitive perception can be vague. When we feel a certain resonance with a person (even to the point where we receive a message telling us that this person is a wanderer or a previous incarnation), that resonance could very well simply be an identification with the cultural or personal perception of that individual.

Themes, situations, emotions, "stories" tend to repeat and cycle themselves within our cultural mind so it is natural that one person may resonate, identify, or empathize with another person. One may have a framework of perception in place that will tell them that the resonance they feel makes the other person a wanderer or a previous incarnation. The question seems to hardly ever be asked, "Is this resonance simply an identification with the themes I perceive around this person? Is it possible that this person represents something greater to me and thus my need to label or project onto them? Or am I really gifted with knowledge from my intuition?"

I think communication from our intuition is attempting to communicate personal information first and foremost. It would be more fruitful to ask oneself "Why do I think these people are wanderers?" rather than simply proclaim, "I think these people are wanderers."

After the question is fully explored and the biases and distortions involved in the perception are recognized, then a clearer picture may be given. Ironically though, once this is done, it's likely that the desire to label and proclaim other individuals as being wanderers or past lives will have fallen away.

[Unbound]

I didn't mean famous people weren't wanderers. If there are 60 million + wanderers, most are not known. We identify them or try to bc they are public people but we're just trying to project some idealized notion of what we think is special.

Why can't wanderers be 'obscure' people like people on this forum? There are more of those than famous ones. And I'm not trying to make categories, that's a misunderstanding.

My point is they are both aha

[reeay]

Was responding to zenmaster

[Unbound]

I think that there is often a conflation between people we admire, agree with, or identify with in a thematic sense, and the idea of wanderers or past lives.

Sure, it's completely possible that famous people are wanderers, or that an individual is the reincarnation of a famous person. But I think that the New Age community in general tends to over-identify with intuitive notions. As Ra said, intuitive perception can be vague. When we feel a certain resonance with a person (even to the point where we receive a message telling us that this person is a wanderer or a previous incarnation), that resonance could very well simply be an identification with the cultural or personal perception of that individual.

Themes, situations, emotions, "stories" tend to repeat and cycle themselves within our cultural mind so it is natural that one person may resonate, identify, or empathize with another person. One may have a framework of perception in place that will tell them that the resonance they feel makes the other person a wanderer or a previous incarnation. The question seems to hardly ever be asked, "Is this resonance simply an identification with the themes I perceive around this person? Is it possible that this person represents something greater to me and thus my need to label or project onto them? Or am I really gifted with knowledge from my intuition?"

I think communication from our intuition is attempting to communicate personal information first and foremost. It would be more fruitful to ask oneself "Why do I think these people are wanderers?" rather than simply proclaim, "I think these people are wanderers."

I agree, however, my question is why is there the assumption that all experience which connects to past lives and such things are based entirely on 'resonance'? Who is to determine the foundation of the truth of identity when the truth is, or part of it is, all is identity? What is the difference between actual memory and intuitive resonance and who is able to discern the truth of another in terms of their actual identity?

We all are the Creator, One Creator that is Infinite, yet each Creator that is the Creator is DIFFERENT from any other Creator that is the Creator, and yet the same. Of the chasing of infinity this is pretty much the only thing of substance I have found, there is differentiation which is part of unity, an infinity of infinite infinites.

My question thus is, to you and to Immanuel, what is the experience that underlies the discovery of identification and how is it perceived moment to moment by each individual?

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Was responding to zenmaster

Aha That would explain my confusion then!