People I believe to be Ra wanderers.

[Namaste]

Austin - I would posit that if a person is drawn to service to others, famous or otherwise, the resonance factor is exactly that, the wanting of the same goals. The identity of the person is essentially irrelevant.

Since a shared goal or state of being holds frequency, 'resonance' kicks in with those displaying actions of acting within said frequency.

Intuition and resonance are different beasts :¬)

[reeay]

resonance is part of intuitive knowing.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Intuition and resonance are different beasts :¬)

Resonance is a type of intuitive communication. It is a "feeling" or "knowing" without conscious reasoning. If one "resonates" with the idea of an individual being a wanderer, that means that, in the absence of any conscious reasoning, one feels it to be true.

Depending on a person's framework of perception, resonance can simply be identified as a feeling, or it may be identified as something more (such as apparently more direct communication of knowledge).

Identifying with resonance and bypassing conscious reasoning in order to seek truth is imbalanced.

49.4 Ra: ...The function of intuition is to inform intelligence. In your illusion the unbridled predominance of intuition will tend to keep an entity from the greater polarizations due to the vagaries of intuitive perception. As you may see, these two types of brain structure need to be balanced in order that the net sum of experiential catalyst will be polarization and illumination, for without the acceptance by the rational mind of the worth of the intuitive faculty the creative aspects which aid in illumination will be stifled.

Edit: clarification

[Unbound]

So what if conscious reasoning comes to the same conclusion as the intuition? Keeping in mind not everyone uses the same method of reasoning.

[Bring4th_Austin]

I agree, however, my question is why is there the assumption that all experience which connects to past lives and such things are based entirely on 'resonance'?

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My question thus is, to you and to Immanuel, what is the experience that underlies the discovery of identification and how is it perceived moment to moment by each individual?

So what if conscious reasoning comes to the same conclusion as the intuition? Keeping in mind not everyone uses the same method of reasoning.

My general point is that there is often a conflation, the New Age community tends to over-identify with intuitive notions, the framework of perception which recognizes these notions is commonly one that is quick to use a special New Age meme to label it, and that the desire to identify or proclaim such labels will likely fall away.

This thread is a great example of a complete absence of conscious reasoning. Absolutely no information is given beyond the intuitive perception.

The other threads that rie linked are also great examples of how people are identifying with a person's ideas, themes, or expressions and then labeling them as a wanderer simply based off of the idea that there is the initial identification. For instance, "Ron Paul espouses ideals which are in line with my own political ideals? He must be a wanderer."

This is a bit different for past lives, obviously. We may receive thematic intuitive information that is then painted by our experiential knowledge.

I'm not saying that there can't ever be a compatibility between conscious reasoning and intuitive notions, but I see many people relying on intuitive perception without consideration of its "vagaries." And sometimes, when there is an over-identification, questioning of such notions is met with avoidance or defensiveness.

[Unbound]

By conscious reasoning do you mean organizing thoughts according to perceived knowledge?

[Bring4th_Austin]

I suppose that is one way to put it. I would say it is engaging the rational faculties, or activating the "thinking" aspect of the "thinking/feeling" dynamic. Without accessing rational thinking faculties, it isn't really possible to examine something abstractly.

Essentially, the difference between "I feel this is true, so it must be true, and I will act as if it is true." and "I feel this is true, so let me examine my own perception, biases, distortions, or environments that lead to me having this feeling."

There's the feeling met with the logical analysis versus the feeling which is instantly identified with.

[Namaste]

I don't think it's as black and white as that.

It's possible to resonate with something if it matches intellectual constructs; the feeling of resonance is generated by the logical mind ("I agree" - which feels good emotionally). This intellectual matching (which is personality based) can, and is, often confused with genuine intuition.

Speaking from experience, when in altered states (from meditation), intuition and (AKA downloads) are *very* different than 'resonating' with something read externally. Very different. This download - intuition - can then be analysed and worked upon with the rational mind in order to understand - and inform - intelligence (which is what the Ra quote you mentioned is referring to).

[Bring4th_Austin]

I don't think it's as black and white as that.

It's possible to resonate with something if it matches intellectual constructs; the feeling of resonance is generated by the logical mind ("I agree" - which feels good emotionally). This intellectual matching (which is personality based) can, and is, often confused with genuine intuition.

Speaking from experience, when in altered states (from meditation), intuition and (AKA downloads) are *very* different than 'resonating' with something read externally. Very different. This download - intuition - can then be analysed and worked upon with the rational mind in order to understand - and inform - intelligence (which is what the Ra quote you mentioned is referring to).

I'm not sure I am following your idea of resonance and intuition. You are saying that the logical mind generates feeling? This is very different from the general understanding of cognitive functions. Logic, by definition, is independent of emotions or feelings.

What do you mean by intellectual matching? I assume you mean weighing something against a system of logic. How could this be confused with intuition? If something is consciously weighed against a system of logic, that is the opposite of the definition of intuition. If something is unconsciously weighed against an unknown system of logic, it produces an intuitive feeling, but there was no abstract or rational analysis in this process - a feeling is received and accepted.

Resonance, as New Age communities typically use it, is a feeling, which is, by nature, intuitive communication. Obviously there's no set definition for how groups use the term resonance, but I have basically only seen it to refer to someone saying "this feels right to me." Intellectual agreement would be "this matches my logical analysis."

It is possible for this feeling to match intellectual constructs, but in order to know this, it must be consciously weighed against intellectual constructs, which is the step that I am referring to that is often skipped.

[Namaste]

Thoughts generate feeling. Albeit consciously or unconsciously.

We can both sit here, think positive or negative thoughts and feel good or bad, respectively. They have a tangible effect on the body. Neurology/biology 101.

People can confuse positive feelings generated by thoughts of intellectual matching ("that information matches my own belief, it must be truth") with genuine intuition.

[Rake]

Resonating in my view is an an emotional response that arises from within. It comes from the unconscious mind, I see it like a portion of your truest self showing itself breifly. A breif remembrance of a personal truth.

I got that far typing then read austins comment which mpre than apptly describes resonating and intuition. I guess my intuition let me know I was wasting my time and thats why I scrolled up

[Namaste]

I agree that resonating with something can come from intuition, and have not once said otherwise :¬)

The notion is that one must be discerning, as one can feel good simply because something they have read/heard/seen satisfies their own belief system (and hence is structured in thought).

An insight, or knowingness from the indigo ray is not formed from structured thought. It's a direct line to infinite intelligence.

[reeay]

Thoughts generate feeling. Albeit consciously or unconsciously.

We can both sit here, think positive or negative thoughts and feel good or bad, respectively. They have a tangible effect on the body. Neurology/biology 101.

People can confuse positive feelings generated by thoughts of intellectual matching ("that information matches my own belief, it must be truth") with genuine intuition.

Not entirely the whole picture. There are alternate theories that have shown otherwise. Depends on the situation. Plus feelings are not entirely measurable as emotions, and those are 2 different things.

[Namaste]

Goodness me :¬)

I've not said that feeling can't be generated through intuition, as of course it can.

Don't confuse feeling emotional 'warmth' (which is generated from the logical mind) with intuition/knowingness.

[AnthroHeart]

Do wanderers have an advantage in terms of STO offering or in terms of remembering who they are?

[zenmaster]

Intuition perceives from the standpoint of current experience. Feeling and/or thinking is then used to evaluate what the intuition suggests and then may form further experience. Part of that experience interfaces with our bodies which may provide feedback in the form of emotions.

Intuition does not feel or think or create any experience (any memory).

"Resonate" means that the intuition of a perceived notion matches what the intuition suggests from experience.

"Feeling" may also inform about emotional state when one's consciousness is drawing from something in prior experience which is in close proximity to the attention of current experience.

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Resonating in my view is an an emotional response that arises from within. It comes from the unconscious mind

Both intuition and emotions are intimately involved with the unconscious mind and our interior (time/space) world. Emotions are an unconscious reaction to something that is entering consciousness. Intuition is a conscious perception.

[Unbound]

I have a hard time separating thinking and feeling because I don't understand how one could be divorced from the other. I don't have thoughts which are not correlated with feelings, even if those feelings are merely of peace or neutrality. For me, feeling is very much involved with thinking, and thinking is very much involved with feeling because I see them as being two sources of information which work in tandem to give a complete picture which is then weighed with intuition and faith.

Logic as being without emotion or feeling also doesn't make sense to me because all cognitive "rightness" is a function of contentment or being at peace with whatever correlation has been mentally made. If a logical construct is not logical to the individual then it will not 'feel right', regardless of whether or not the construct follows the laws of a collective system of logic.

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Also, I find it rather amusing that "over-identification" is something treated as though it is some kind of illness. Isn't it just as possible to over-identify with a lack of identification?

[zenmaster]

I have a hard time separating thinking and feeling because I don't understand how one could be divorced from the other. I don't have thoughts which are not correlated with feelings, even if those feelings are merely of peace or neutrality. For me, feeling is very much involved with thinking, and thinking is very much involved with feeling because I see them as being two sources of information which work in tandem to give a complete picture which is then weighed with intuition and faith.

Thinking and feeling are complementary faculties of the psyche. Thinking comes from a space/time viewpoint and feeling comes from a time/space viewpoint. While a particular personality bias might prefer one over the other, they are always both being used to evaluate or perceptions. You can even say that they primarily have a mutual identity and one is made distinct at the expense of the other. That is part of the reason for a dualistic existence.

Logic as being without emotion or feeling also doesn't make sense to me because all cognitive "rightness" is a function of contentment or being at peace with whatever correlation has been mentally made. If a logical construct is not logical to the individual then it will not 'feel right', regardless of whether or not the construct follows the laws of a collective system of logic.

Logic is without emotion, just as intuition is without logic. But a person does not use logic (analytical thinking) in isolation, they use it to inform an experience which had been constructed using both thinking and feeling evaluations of perception.

Also, I find it rather amusing that "over-identification" is something treated as though it is some kind of illness. Isn't it just as possible to over-identify with a lack of identification?

identification and projection are basically how we get anything out of our experience here in the first place. I see projection as a consequence of identification. However, the pathological aspect of identification is one of idea attachment which is *always* unnecessary and immature and a cause of suffering and alienation from self and other self.

Over identifying with lack of identification could indeed be possible, of course, if there was no honest consciousness involved in the characterization of state. But the possibility of something being a certain way is just that, a possibility. A more useful characterization is an informed observation based on personal and societal experience/knowledge. And even more usefulness is available if that experience is well-seated, honest and readily available to directly support claims.

[Unbound]

So what exactly qualifies one to determine whether or not another individual has an "idea attachment"?

[Adonai One]

I did not use resonance. I encourage people to confirm/falsify my findings through the faculty of deep meditation.

[Fang]

One of the problems with the stuff you say tho A1 is that they are unfalsifiable and impossible to confirm, through meditation or otherwise lol. The "faculty" of meditation doesn't provide people with "truth" either...at least not like "if you meditate you will be given the answers" cop out lots of people spew.

[Adonai One]

Truth is a left-handed concept. Valuing experiences and potentials through a detached curiosity can provide much fruit.

[Unbound]

I absolutely disagree with that notion, I must say, you are very heavily biased towards the left, and not even a form of the left that is commonly recognizable. I am really not sure what you are trying to accomplish here besides feeding your own ego. You aren't communicating, you are being coy.

[Fang]

Well firstly, what method did you use that led you to this conclusion?

Truth is a left-handed concept. Valuing experiences and potentials through a detached curiosity can provide much fruit.

Hehe I dunno about that my man, truth is seeing things as they are rather than falsely framing the experience in accordance with one's distortions. (edit There's a reason why there is a limit to STS progression that STO does not share, the microcosmic self can only go so far in seeing things as they are.
I'm not saying you shouldn't value experience and potentials but I think it's important that you value them in accordance to what they are.

[Adonai One]

I absolutely disagree with that notion, I must say, you are very heavily biased towards the left, and not even a form of the left that is commonly recognizable. I am really not sure what you are trying to accomplish here besides feeding your own ego. You aren't communicating, you are being coy.

*smirk*

Why do you disagree?

Well firstly, what method did you use that led you to this conclusion?

Truth is a left-handed concept. Valuing experiences and potentials through a detached curiosity can provide much fruit.

Hehe I dunno about that my man, truth is seeing things as they are rather than falsely framing the experience in accordance with one's distortions. (edit There's a reason why there is a limit to STS progression that STO does not share, the microcosmic self can only go so far in seeing things as they are.
I'm not saying you shouldn't value experience and potentials but I think it's important that you value them in accordance to what they are.

Truth only exists as a concept if the entity seeks finality, an end to an experience. The entity that is pleased with the experience of seeking will not subsist only on finality/truth.

The left-hand seeks an end, a result, a possession. The right-hand is pleased with what exists in its current grasp.

[Fang]

Truth only exists as a concept if the entity seeks finality, an end to an experience. The entity that is pleased with the experience of seeking will not subsist only on finality/truth.

The left-hand seeks an end, a result, a possession. The right-hand is pleased with what exists in its current grasp.

Eh not really. You could substitute "right hand" with "lazy" there and be closer to the truth lol
Firstly let's not look at it from an absolute frame, truth we perceive as humans will undoubtedly have falsity in it, "absolute truth" is wayy out of our reach, though progressing towards that stage where we see things as they truly are is the result of consciousness evolution (didn't I say this just the other night? Lol). I'm not saying only seek truth either, but in terms of informing personal experience, if no attention is paid towards verifying the perspective that you hold your experiences in it's very slowing to personal development.
I mean what is "seeking"? Surely to many it connotes searching for truth so saying "The entity that is pleased with the experience of seeking will not subsist only on finality/truth." is kind of a dissonant thing to hear lol
And if you mean "seeking the creator", well guess what the creator is? truth, things as they are

[Adonai One]

Truth only exists as a concept if the entity seeks finality, an end to an experience. The entity that is pleased with the experience of seeking will not subsist only on finality/truth.

The left-hand seeks an end, a result, a possession. The right-hand is pleased with what exists in its current grasp.

Eh not really. You could substitute "right hand" with "lazy" there and be closer to the truth lol
Firstly let's not look at it from an absolute frame, truth we perceive as humans will undoubtedly have falsity in it, "absolute truth" is wayy out of our reach, though progressing towards that stage where we see things as they truly are is the result of consciousness evolution (didn't I say this just the other night? Lol). I'm not saying only seek truth either, but in terms of informing personal experience, if no attention is paid towards verifying the perspective that you hold your experiences in it's very slowing to personal development.
I mean what is "seeking"? Surely to many it connotes searching for truth so saying "The entity that is pleased with the experience of seeking will not subsist only on finality/truth." is kind of a dissonant thing to hear lol
And if you mean "seeking the creator", well guess what the creator is? truth, things as they are

You are perceptive.

Seeking as a concept only exists when it is recognized in the pursuit of a truth. Before the Systems of Sevens, seeking was not seen, it just was. Truth was not seen, as it was inherent to seeking. It is the concept of truth that veiled the concept of seeking.

It is the left-hand that veils the right. It is finality that veils the present.

"Eh not really. You could substitute "right hand" with "lazy" there and be closer to the truth lol"

This is a truth but a distorted one. The right-hand is a passive one.

The mind's will and its skepticism is necessary but without balance nor moderation, the mind with a sight set only on truth will soon find itself rejecting the present experience and will soon be without anything to feed upon.

Let it be said this is likely the most left-handed third-density experience in the galaxy that is polarizing positively.

[zenmaster]

Why is that likely, considering the population of the entire galaxy, the biases of which we are not privy to?

[Adonai One]

I border on the Law of Confusion saying this:

This planet is highly dependent on physical incarnations in its third-density and this is what molds beings into such a left-handed bias (or inversely in Venus's case.) This does not occur in all solar systems and is dependent on the choice of conciousness of the Sun body. I cannot say more. I encourage seekers to find their own answers in this regard.

[Sagittarius]

I border on the Law of Confusion saying this:

This planet is highly dependent on physical incarnations in its third-density and this is what molds beings into such a left-handed bias (or inversely in Venus's case.) This does not occur in all solar systems and is dependent on the choice of conciousness of the Sun body. I cannot say more. I encourage seekers to find their own answers in this regard.

Why not just say you have no idea because you don't ? You can't border on the law of confusion no matter what you hope.