confidence level

[isis]

(the poll was removed bc i did a bad job wording the question...the question was "about how confident are you about Ra's realness?")

[Fang]

Why is there no 0% option?

[Fastidious Emanations]

lol if Ra exists it's beyond real/illusory

[Spaced]

Ra reps the streets, they always keep it real.

[isis]

Why is there no 0% option?

bc 5% IS "about" 0%...

actually i just forgot though. i'll have it added

[Matt1]

I read this as confidence in the general sense so i voted 75%, in regards to Ra its 100%. I can't re-vote :/

[isis]

I read this as confidence in the general sense so i voted 75%, in regards to Ra its 100%. I can't re-vote :/

lol

[reeay]

what does that mean - real/not real

[Bring4th_Austin]

I think there are a few ways to look at "real" or "not real" for the Ra contact. The ones I can think of:

• The words from the contact were generated by the source they claim to come from. That is, there were beings that evolved in consciousness from Venus who are now in 6th density and use telepathy to speak to/through humans.
  
  
• The words from the contact were generated by Carla's own unconscious mind. She was legitimately in trance and her and the L/L group are completely honest about their experiences. The information in the material would basically all be allegorical.
  
  
• The words were thought of by Carla in the moment in an attempt to simulate "channeling" and perhaps impress Don, and she is being dishonest about it.
  
  
• The words were written by Don and/or the group and recited as if Carla were in trance and a story was told around the transcripts to make it seem legitimate, and the whole group is being dishonest.
  

Any other possibilities?

[reeay]

I guess the answer would be very much personal, in that it would be dependent on one's biases, world views, and other issues lol. Ra is as real as any of you who participate on this forum. Cannot see you, never met you physically, but you've all had a wonderful, lovely impact in my life. My experience of each of you, and my experience of reading Ra's words are real and that's that... real meaning it moved me in some way.

[Unbound]

How about infinity percent? Or is that redundant...?

[zenmaster]

Ironic how Ra never talks about "your reality", but constantly provided a plethora of "your illusion" qualifications to pretty much everything.

[GentleReckoning]

My confidence in my reality being an illusion is at an all time high.

[βαθμιαίος]

Any other possibilities?

• Carla was legitimately channeling, but it was some other entity claiming to be Ra.
  
  
• L/L plagiarized the material from some other source.
  
  
• Some combination of Ra, Carla's unconscious, and/or some other entity spoke through Carla.
  

Personally, I think the most plausible is

• The words from the contact were generated by the source they claim to come from. That is, there were beings that evolved in consciousness from Venus who are now in 6th density and use telepathy to speak to/through humans.
  

[Plenum]

this quote is attributed to Gautama Siddhartha:

“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.

But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”

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there is much in Ra which cannot be personally verified - for eg, much of the alternative history claims.

but what is testable and applicable are the principles as applied and expressed for a 3rd density mind.

One can observe the efficacy of these principles in one's own practice.

[Fang]

Th Ra material seems to be the honest recount of a shared experience, "realness" is not the term I'd use to signify the worthiness of the Ra material as a text worth studying as it obviously is to me, "real" is just not the right word lol

[isis]

just to make myself a little more clear, here's another way of asking the question: how confident are you that Carla is not a creative/clever/*AWESOME* fraudster?

[Parsons]

When I was the highly skeptical atheist reading the Ra material for the first time, all I did was try to detect fraud and logical inconsistencies. I was flabbergasted by the time I finished because I was unable to detect a single instance of either, which was unprecedented in any other system of logic I have ever run in to. I calculated the odds of fraud to be infinitesimally small of one woman memorizing then reciting highly sophisticated material with her eyes closed for 45 minutes at a time without misspeaking in some way.

[zenmaster]

Jumping from whether something is "real" to whether something is not "fraudulent" is not a little clarification. It invalidates the poll.

[isis]

uhh...yeah...can we just get rid of this whole thread/poll?

[Bring4th_Austin]

I deleted the poll per isis's request but will leave the thread intact since it has generated unique discussion.

[AnthroHeart]

My confidence in my reality being an illusion is at an all time high.

Same. I feel as if life has little purpose beyond spiritual development and experiencing. But I do believe in the Ra material. Sometimes I'm tired of experience.

[βαθμιαίος]

Ironic how Ra never talks about "your reality", but constantly provided a plethora of "your illusion" qualifications to pretty much everything.

Can you give some examples? There don't seem to be many qualifications here: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=y...&st=phrase

[zenmaster]

Ironic how Ra never talks about "your reality", but constantly provided a plethora of "your illusion" qualifications to pretty much everything.

Can you give some examples? There don't seem to be many qualifications here: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=y...&st=phrase

That's just it, "your illusion" is the qualification on our experience/perception.

[Rusalka]

this quote is attributed to Gautama Siddhartha:

“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.

But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”

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One can observe the efficacy of these principles in one's own practice.

Exactly. Judge them by the fruits of their actions (influence). The concept of STO has so refined my life and brought such richness and lovingness to it and such a quality connection with others that even if it was a complete hoax, I don't care.

Besides, maybe it's impossible to answer this question/ pick of of the options.

Picture beings from a 2dimensional world who are presented with a cylinder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylinder_(geometry). But they can only see 2 dimensions and they engage in a war over whether what they see is a circle or a rectangle ;-)

[Patrick]

..."your illusion" is the qualification on our experience/perception.

I think the illusion is more about what our experience is based on than the experience itself. IMHO experience is real, possibly the only real thing there is.

[Fang]

It really should be understood that "illusion" in the sense Ra used it does not mean "not real". You live in illusion because you do not perceive things as they truly are, which makes sense because in the context of the Ra material, Ra has progressed in evolution millions of years beyond the human collective and has honed a more accurate perception of experience. They are still in the illusion though, just not our illusion as we are 3rd density and they are 6th

Edit for spellingz

[zenmaster]

..."your illusion" is the qualification on our experience/perception.

I think the illusion is more about what our experience is based on than the experience itself. IMHO experience is real, possibly the only real thing there is.

And what is the difference between what experience can be based on and the experience itself?

[Patrick]

..."your illusion" is the qualification on our experience/perception.

I think the illusion is more about what our experience is based on than the experience itself. IMHO experience is real, possibly the only real thing there is.

And what is the difference between what experience can be based on and the experience itself?

Once experienced, experience exists by itself. Even if the stage and or the actor were to be destroyed or transformed later on.

[zenmaster]

I'm thinking you are referring to memory. Experience does transform itself from more to less distortion, based on acceptance. You can easily see this as the baby matures into the adult. The worldview is experience and what we use to evaluate and to inform perception.