STS fiction books

[upensmoke]

hello all welcome.  Im sure i am not the only person who believes that STS get misrepresented as well as distorted due to the nature of STS. As well as it is difficult to find info on the STS path due to the Ra sessions being focused on STO. Written works can sometimes be connections to other worlds the author may not be aware of. 

I would like you all to help me and Please post any book preferably fiction. That you believe has a STS individual as the star/main character.

I have recently read a light novel called  .Coiling Dragon There was a manga based off the book called panlong if you would like a shorted alternate version with pictures.

here is the intro

"Empires rise and fall on the Yulan Continent. Saints, immortal beings of unimaginable power, battle using spells and swords, leaving swathes of destruction in their wake. Magical beasts rule the mountains, where the brave – or the foolish – go to test their strength. Even the mighty can fall, feasted on by those stronger. The strong live like royalty; the weak strive to survive another day.

This is the world which Linley is born into. Raised in the small town of Wushan, Linley is a scion of the Baruch clan, the clan of the once-legendary Dragonblood Warriors. Their fame once shook the world, but the clan is now so decrepit that even the heirlooms of the clan have been sold off. Tasked with reclaiming the lost glory of his clan, Linley will go through countless trials and tribulations, making powerful friends but also deadly enemies.
Come witness a new legend in the making. The legend of Linley Baruch."

here is the intro to the manga 
Panlong
Linley is a young noble of a declining, once-powerful clan which once dominated the world. He has large aspirations and wants to save his clan. Linley's journey begins with an accident when he discovers a ring. He took a liking to this ring, which had a dragon carved coiling around it. Upon being injured during a battle between two powerful fighters he discovers that his ring is not what he thought it was and possesses powers beyond his imagination
 

[Spaced]

Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand comes to mind as an example of STS philosophy in a work of fiction.

[YinYang]

Here's a Reddit thread with many suggestions. The most well known of these are the ones which were made into movies:

The Picture of Dorian Gray - Oscar Wilde

The Godfather - Mario Puzo

The Talented Mr. Ripley - Patricia Highsmith

[spero]

the more obvious example would be sith in star wars. personally think they are caricatures of sts but plenty of novels, comics, games out there on sith characters.

[APeacefulWarrior]

I second Atlas Shrugged. I honestly don't think there's another work of fiction that so completely encompasses and champions the STS philosophy. It's a tedious slog, but at the end of it, I don't think it's possible to NOT understand how an STS sees the world. Ayn Rand was basically the high priestess of negativity.

Just don't bother with the Atlas Shrugged movies. They were so truncated (and incompetent) that they're pretty much incomprehensible unless someone is already familiar with the source material.

And for further study, read a biography on her and see how her personal life did and did not match up to her fiction. It's actually kind of fascinating. A woman who ostensibly championed free independent thought formed a pseudo-cult of personality where her disciples were expected to agree with her in every particular, and could be ruthlessly excommunicated for even the slightest transgressions based on Ayn's whims. She even called this group "The Collective," which she claimed was ironic, but . . .

Not to mention that by the end of her life, she'd descended into almost total paranoia, like her infamous appearances on the Phil Donahue show, where she ended up accusing audience members of conspiring against her. I really find her to be a fascinating case study in a lot of ways, and while I VERY rarely do this, I'm virtually certain she was one of the rare 5D or 6D Negative Wanderers.

[YinYang]

Yeah, Ayn Rand is someone who came on my radar as well with my interest in cult psychology. I have watched her interviews and read a few articles about her cult. These individuals always ardently criticise faith, as she has as well, and they can't stand subjectivity and disorder, her cult was called objectivism. The complete order that they always try and establish through excessive control is characteristic of the negative polarity. Since it is not possible to create order in this world, they usually descent into paranoia when things start unravelling too quickly, as was the case with her cult as well. That paranoia results from failure to control.

Ra briefly touched on order as well:

Ra: It may seem that the rational or analytical mind might have more of a possibility of successfully pursuing the negative orientation due to the fact that in our understanding too much order is by its essence negative.

I also think she was a good candidate for STS harvestability. It's quite instructive to watch her interviews on Youtube, just to see how someone so completely embodies Ra's description of the negative polarity. There was one moment I will never forget, when the interviewer was kind to her, and said to her at the end of the interview "God bless you", and she momentarily softened, before she composed herself again.

[Reaper]

I was going to say Ayn Rand but it seems I've been beaten to that punch. You might look into the works of Don Webb, too.

[YinYang]

One thing I have often wondered is whether they're happy? It seems to me that any victory causes them "happiness" which is usually short lived. Competition is their hallmark after all. I have never known someone who I considered on the negative path who had long lasting happiness. Ayn Rand herself fell into a deep depression. It seems to me that the pain they inflict on others is a pain they carry within. People basically impart what they themselves possess in abundance.

From experience and observation, one thing I am sure of that does cause what 'looks like happiness' in a negative person, is when they are admired. Fame is therefore something they always crave. Even with Ayn Rand, you can see how she lights up when the audience applauds, or when the interviewer gives her a compliment.

They also usually self destruct in the end, oh yes, that reminds me of Lord of the Flies, another recommendation for this thread.

[Reaper]

One thing I have often wondered is whether they're happy? 

I often wonder the same thing for those on the other side. I know a great number of positive spiritual seekers who struggle greatly with anxiety, depression, suicidal thoughts and other frustrations.

I think it's safe to say that no one on either path is going to be happy all of the time, and both sides can easily destroy themselves (or get themselves destroyed) via lack of willpower and/or discernment. There has to be something that makes one follow a path even through the worst pain and struggle, however, and I think that is when the concept of deeper happiness begins to unfold. An entity who "self-destructs" on their path has simply given up their path.

[Manjushri]

A few weeks ago I did some shrooms and the next day (usually when lots of interesting insight moments happen for me) I had the strongest urge to read books that my subconscious kept telling me were "prophetic"

It is a series of children's books I started to read when I was in sixth or seventh grade called "Diadem" by John Peel. Has anyone read these? Immediately bought them on eBay and am almost done with the first one. It's pretty great, even now that I'm much older. But so far I think my mind was playing tricks on me.

Not to derail the thread, if I just did apologies.

[APeacefulWarrior]

One thing I have often wondered is whether they're happy?

This is actually something I've puzzled over in Rand's novels.  Her protagonists proclaim their happiness quite often, but they rarely express it in any way except literally saying "I'm happy."  They rarely laugh, never joke, etc.  I sometimes wondered if she really had a different definition or even experience of "happy" than most people.  And don't even get me started on her ideas about love and sex.  

Otherwise, frankly, I think her characters' definition of happiness would largely coincide with Conan the Barbarian's description of what is best in life.  

I also think she was a good candidate for STS harvestability. It's quite instructive to watch her interviews on Youtube, just to see how someone so completely embodies Ra's description of the negative polarity.

See, that why I really think she was a Negative Wanderer - her utter embodiment of Negativity.  Her philosophies were set at a very young age -- largely because she lived through the Russian communist revolution, on the Czarist side -- and she literally spent her entire adult life preaching a philosophy that glorified egotism, greed, and radical individualism.  Almost as though her life was tailor-made to produce someone who despised any form of collectivism.

And there are two other things.  First, she was just so incredibly successful.  Millions of people followed her, and she still has many many readers today.  There are those who legitimately regard her as one of the greatest thinkers in history - and there's a great many of them in positions of power in industry and government.   In terms of spreading her ideas, she was as successful as Jesus or the Buddha or other major Positive Wanderer-Philosophers.

That sort of magnetism and charisma doesn't come out of nowhere.

The other thing is that there was a deeply apocalyptic thread that ran through her books.  Her very first novella was a 1984ish sci-fi dystopia about a future where individualism had been so squashed that the word "ego" had literally been eliminated from the language.  The Fountainhead's climax escalates to having city-wide riots in an attempt to stop its ego-centric hero from being himself.  And in Atlas Shrugged, she paints a picture of an entire world on the verge of turning collectivist and attempting to destroy all the individualists.  John Galt's actions were almost entirely justified through "It's either us or them" rationalizations, that he had to tear down the existing social structure to prevent it from wiping out individualism entirely.  

And, at face value, this all seems very kooky - especially since she never really justified exactly why she was so certain that the collectivist apocalypse was coming.  Yet...  it IS coming, if Ra and the other channelled sources can be believed.  The 4D Positive changeover for Earth will create an environment which is effectively kryptonite to negative entities.  And with it scheduled to happen around the turn of the century (give or take) she really didn't have much time left - hence the strident desperation, even if she didn't know exactly where it came from.

Basically, I think she was some 5D or 6D neg's last-ditch Hail Mary attempt to derail the 4D shift, by producing someone so skilled in articulating the Negative philosophies that she might lead great numbers of people away from the Positive side. This also provides a motive strong enough to overcome such an entity's fear of incarnation, if they were sufficiently invested\interested in the fate of the Earth.

[YinYang]

And don't even get me started on her ideas about love and sex.  

Actually.... so I read this article in NYTimes today - I Was Ayn Rand's Lover, and honestly, I would have to say that I think she was a closet gay. It's just the impression I got, I have also found that closet gays are often the fiercest critics of homosexuality, and in addition to that she referred to herself as a "male chauvinist"....

As for the apocalypticism, I have yet to come across a cult leader without an apocalyptic, dystopian future vision. Cult leaders are masters at inducing fear, that's what they do best. They thrive on doom and gloom. I haven't read any of her books, and I doubt I would, I have kind of reached a saturation point in my research of the negative polarity. She's pretty much a textbook case as far as cult leaders go, from the persecution complex to the delusions of grandeur to the messiah complex.

[APeacefulWarrior]

And don't even get me started on her ideas about love and sex.  

Actually.... so I read this article in NYTimes today - I Was Ayn Rand's Lover, and honestly, I would have to say that I think she was a closet gay. It's just the impression I got, I have also found that closet gays are usually the fiercest critics of homosexuality, and in addition to that she referred to herself as a "male chauvinist"....

What? Nah. She was into dom\sub games. That's where that article got the whole raping thing. Sex was about power, to Rand. Almost exclusively. She also loved love-triangles, both in her fiction and in her real-life relationships, presumably because of the conflicts inherent in such arrangements.

And I'm not even sure I could summarize the Roark\Dominque relationship in "Fountainhead." They spent much of their time attempting to destroy each other, especially an incredibly lengthy section where Dom (geddit?) does everything she can think of to try to 'break' Roark, to prove he isn't worthy of her. Or something. It was messed up and, at the very least, was among the most loveless sexual relationships ever in a best-selling novel.

But either way, she spent way too much time writing about her idea of perfect fantasy men to be gay.

[YinYang]

Yes, but she saw 'herself' as that perfect male... but it's just a hunch that I got. We'll never know.

[Jade]

I think the "difference" between happiness on the STS side and STO side is that gratification on the STO side is based on camaraderie, companionship, harmonization, silliness... the STS side has to take the self a bit more seriously, and rarely sees equal companions in others - it's a constant jockey for positioning. I think it's also what Ra means when they say that that which is magical in the negative sense is "much longer coming" - true unity requires compassion, and it's more efficient to cultivate compassion here in 3rd density than it is to wait until 6th density.

[YinYang]

I also believe sexuality is quite fluid, especially in women, and Rand certainly gave off that "androgynous" demeanour.

[YinYang]

I think the "difference" between happiness on the STS side and STO side is that gratification on the STO side is based on camaraderie, companionship, harmonization, silliness... the STS side has to take the self a bit more seriously, and rarely sees equal companions in others - it's a constant jockey for positioning. I think it's also what Ra means when they say that that which is magical in the negative sense is "much longer coming" - true unity requires compassion, and it's more efficient to cultivate compassion here in 3rd density than it is to wait until 6th density.

I'm with you, I think joy is something very different on that side.

[Dekalb_Blues]

From Library Journal, July 15, 2007:
Imprisoned in a nearly featureless room, Jane Charlotte is being interrogated by a man in a white lab coat. It seems she’s killed somebody. How? And why? Her answer is a convoluted tale of a vast secret organization whose agents fight evil by keeping humanity under “ubiquitous surveillance” and selectively assassinating the “bad monkeys,” people deemed irredeemably evil. Of course, such vast and secret organizations tend to have equally vast and secret nemeses. They also have to keep careful tabs on their own agents. Jane’s not quite certain which side her captors are on, and it’s an open question whether she’s crazy or not. There are echoes here of the pervasive paranoia of Thomas Pynchon’s The Crying of Lot 49 and Walker Percy’s unreliable jailhouse narrator in Lancelot, as well as the sardonic black humor of Kurt Vonnegut and Douglas Adams, not to mention Max Barry’s sly satires of the absurdities of bureaucratic organizations. Cult favorite Ruff’s scenario inevitably raises questions about the morality of secret and summary “justice,” but the story moves along in a fast-paced, satirical style that never slows down or turns preachy. Jane’s tangled tale, from her confused, youthful introduction to this complicated secret world to the final, catastrophic mission, will keep most readers guessing until the last page. — Bradley A. Scott
Copyright 2007 Reed Business Information

From BookPage, August 2007:

Jane Charlotte has been arrested for murder, and she’s being examined by a police psychiatrist to discover whether she is fit for trial—or fit for a straitjacket. There are a few wrinkles, however, that need to be ironed out. She might not be Jane Charlotte. She might not have killed anyone. She might not be in jail.
Right from page one, you’re already halfway down the rabbit hole in Matt Ruff’s latest novel, Bad Monkeys. Ruff, the author of the critically lauded Set This House in Order, Fool on the Hill and Sewer, Gas & Electric: The Public Works Trilogy, ladles a dollop of William S. Burroughs into an Ian Fleming base in such a mesmerizing way it will have you scratching your head and doubling back to make sure you scooped up every psychedelic-laden morsel.
A shadowy, non-governmental, but very powerful agency (think Impossible Missions Force here) called “the organization” engaged the services of a young Jane Charlotte to capture or extinguish miscreants whom they call “Bad Monkeys.” Jane’s particular subdivision—and you can bet they don’t have business cards—is The Department for the Final Disposition of Irredeemable Persons.
In the words of Hunter S. Thompson, “When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro,” and Jane Charlotte recounts to the police psychiatrist the curious turn of events that led her to be picked for her work as a high-minded (and highly irregular) vigilante. Along the way, she encounters agents of The Troop (think SMERSH, T.H.R.U.S.H. or the DMV), evildoers whose sole aim it is to thwart the organization and introduce wickedness into the world. Trouble is, her long-lost brother just might be The Troop’s criminal mastermind, and Jane Charlotte may have to lure him out—or take him out.
Told mostly in flashback, the plot twists like capellini in a bubbling cauldron, and the complex sequence of events both demands—and rewards—your rapt attention.  — Thane Tierney
Copyright 2007 ProMotion, Inc.


Decidedly baddish-appearing monkey.

Is "Jane Charlotte" a reliable or unreliable narrator? In fiction, as in life, the unreliable narrator is a narrator who can't be trusted. Either from ignorance or self-interest, this narrator speaks with a bias, makes mistakes, or even lies. Part of the pleasure and challenge of these first-person stories is working out the truth and understanding why the narrator is not straightforward. It's also one tool an author uses to create an aura of authenticity in his or her work. The term originates from Wayne C. Booth’s 1961 Rhetoric of Fiction, and though it is a key component of modernism, we find unreliable narratives in classics like Emily Brontë's Wuthering Heights (1847) (in both "Lockwood" and "Nelly Dean") and Jonathan Swift's Travels into Several Remote Nations of the World, etc. [popularly known as Gulliver's Travels ] (1726/35).


Apparently not-so-bad although baddishly-hair-dayed monkey.

I find Bad Monkeys to be an outstanding fictional representation of the kind of complexity one finds in real-life counterintelligence analysis (which to some of us is our sometimes-interesting but more-oftenly-dreary workaday pursuit, even as to most others it is the childishly misconceived exotica so provocatively and disinformationally depicted in most spy thrillers) some penetration operations involving the weaponized use of the deceptive persona are so cunningly designed to exploit the epistemological and ontological blind spots of the target organization's friend-or-foe-differentiation algorithms (stemming from the inherent provincial-conditioning Gödel-limit weaknesses in its consensus-reality-imbued paradigm of what "identity" itself can possibly be) that determining the bona fides of the persona in question is a formally undecidable problem -- unless the canny analyst tasked with such a challenge can transcend his own cultural and other conditioning (mostly a function of the time/place of his upbringing) so as to navigate out of an otherwise endlessly ambiguous abstract hall of mirrors designedly keyed to his expected relative inability to self-reference in an unbiased fashion (which fatally handicaps the attempt to orient properly within just those wider objective truth-realms that need to be accessed to truly perceive deception in its irrepressibly self-evident anomalousness). Successfully doing this, halting the infinite regress of uncertainty, is the equivalent of the type of life-alteringly illuminative epiphany, with attendant radical worldview-change, that is found in the typical so-called "mystical" enlightenment-experience of satori. (In the Zen Buddhist tradition, satori refers to the experience of kenshō, "seeing into one's true nature".)



Decidedly baddish-appearing monkey-descendant.

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By the way, I might in passing make reference to an especially culturally-significant imaginative work of fiction in the STS-epic-surreal-saga genre: The Report of the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy, 26 vols. (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Gov't. Printing Ofc., 1964) which had as its antihero a not-so-very-STS personage mischievously mythologized so as to plausibly portray the very epitome of STS-ness (brilliantly complex and nuanced use here of the good old unreliable-narrator as literary mechanism to help the story along), thus craftily drawing attention away from the true villains of the story, who are left for you to perceive by a judicious metafictional reading-between-the-lines. Aficionados of detective-mysteries and spy-thrillers will get a kick out of this seminal tour de force epochally kicking off the advent of the Modern Art of The Big Lie. Get the whole lulz-filled set!  https://www.gpo.gov/featured/WarrenCommission.htm

   Cheers!