Anyone can confirm these TM mantras

[kanonathena]

I am interested in trying TM but do want to spend $2500 yet, I came across a table of TM mantras, anyone can tell me if these are authentic?

http://minet.org/mantras.html

[turtledude23]

There are no special sounds that can help you with spiritual growth, it all depends on your own belief about that sound, what you'd get with these is a placebo effect: "I spent $2500 on these so they MUST be good!". The most widely used sound is "om", see if it works for you.

[kanonathena]

Thanks, I have a friend who told me to try "om".

[Namaste]

Basically, TM meditation is a gentle focus on a repeating mantra. Do you really need to spend a lot of money to practice that? :¬)

Many people, including myself, prefer to just observe the breath and 'be'.

I would recommend using Om. A very, very, powerful 'word'.

[BlatzAdict]

the words are there for your ego to have something to pay attention to.
tm is really about not thinking about anything and having a quiet mind.

i feel like if u spend 2,500 on learning a bunch of mantras you are getting suckered

[kanonathena]

When I go into the meditative state I want to stay quite rather than keep repeating the mantra, is that ok as a tm practitioner? The reason I want to do tm is because David Lynch and Maharishi said it increase your creativity, and I like to make music videos. Anyone can give suggestions on increasing creativity?

[turtledude23]

When I go into the meditative state I want to stay quite rather than keep repeating the mantra, is that ok as a tm practitioner? The reason I want to do tm is because David Lynch and Maharishi said it increase your creativity, and I like to make music videos. Anyone can give suggestions on increasing creativity?

I have little experience in this but from what I read: its all about being "in the flow", in the moment, etc. you just allow yourself to create, the infinite potentials of creation are already within you - the whole universe is, you just need to become aware of it. And of course marijuana and hallucinogens probably wouldn't hurt either.

[BlatzAdict]

creativity... if u can get some friends to get together and make a party out of it.. i used to hold poetry church where me and a couple friends would do writing excercises, and get stoned.

u don't really have to get stoned but i'm just laying it out there for u.

watch other ppls music videos.. get inspired.
u need to look deep within your heart and find that gusto.. that i wanna freaking do this part of u. and gently tend to it's flame.

i would suggest david wilcocks access your higher self video.. it doesn't cost 2,500 dollars. it costs like. 60 bucks.
it's about being in contact with your higher self but a lot of these skills are interchangable.. skills in distracting the ego.
like focusing on breathing excercises,

or even the first telekinesis lesson i learned in concentration which is literally just starting at a point in the wall for more than 30 seconds without your mind wandering or your sight wandering.

i believe the mantras are there to engage your mind IN something... so that you are able to tune out of it.
for this i could recommend a whole plethra of things.
solfeggio music?
meditative music?
a daily regimen of creative practice?
a game of make believe?

whatever gets your creative juices going... I hope that helps if not.. well good luck?

[Aaron]

How about this mantra? "I'm saving twenty five hundreeeeeeeedddmmmmm..... saving two and a half graaaannnnndddmmmmm....."

Just kidding!

I've been told that transcendental meditation is simply focusing completely on something like a flower or a candle flame, with no mantras or other thoughts moving through the brain - just silent focus. I've done that several times, and it really helps you to become calm and collected!

As for mantras, I will second the fact that "om" is a very powerful sound.

[Ens Entium]

Hey there

I cant say much about the mantras.
About creativity though... you can approach the development like any other skill, even though it's closer to an ability. So i'd say particular kinds of practice. One type that could help is the exercise of

- closing your eyes and letting an image come to you
-then giving that image 'life' in some way, like adding colour, sounds, emphasizing certain parts of it
- then allowing that to naturally evolve into another picture, in other words do not imagine a new one or make drastic changes. The key is to, without effort, get new or transformed images through 'highlighting' certain things about it. You want to get the mind to tend to be in 'creative flow' more naturally.
-simple shapes and objects are obviously easiest to start with. You can try playing with several in your mind in a connected way. You can try this with sounds, or both, since you looking for audio-visual application.

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Another thing you could consider doing whie your actually involved in the task, making the music video, which could help you quite a bit is the S.C.A.M.P.E.R. technique. Basically, it goes as follows:
S = what can be substituted in product/thing X?
C = what can be combined in product/thing X?
A = what can be adapted in product/thing X?
M = what can be modified in product/thing X?
P = what can be put to other purposes in product/thing X?
E = what can be eliminated in product/thing x?
R = what can be re-arranged in product/thing x?

Here's a link that can elaborate

http://www.brainstorming.co.uk/tutorials...orial.html

You could apply each question to a component of the music video

I've been told that transcendental meditation is simply focusing completely on something like a flower or a candle flame, with no mantras or other thoughts moving through the brain - just silent focus. I've done that several times, and it really helps you to become calm and collected!

As for mantras, I will second the fact that "om" is a very powerful sound.

I thought this was the type of meditation that people did most often..? What type do you do most?

Hope that all helps!

[Namaste]

When I go into the meditative state I want to stay quite rather than keep repeating the mantra, is that ok as a tm practitioner? The reason I want to do tm is because David Lynch and Maharishi said it increase your creativity, and I like to make music videos. Anyone can give suggestions on increasing creativity?

It does indeed, however, it's the act of a gentle, single focused mind that causes the development, not the mantra itself.

You will achieve the same effect watching/observing the breath, or visualising an object/person that holds power for you.

[Aaron]

I thought this was the type of meditation that people did most often..? What type do you do most?

Hope that all helps!

On the few occasions where I did meditate, I would try to silently observe my own consciousness without focusing on an object, but it didn't work as well for me.

[BlatzAdict]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN9auBn6Jys
Cibo Matto - Sugar Water

one of my favorite music videos. i hope it will inspire u

[Ocean]

When I go into the meditative state I want to stay quite rather than keep repeating the mantra, is that ok as a tm practitioner? The reason I want to do tm is because David Lynch and Maharishi said it increase your creativity, and I like to make music videos. Anyone can give suggestions on increasing creativity?

I have little experience in this but from what I read: its all about being "in the flow", in the moment, etc. you just allow yourself to create, the infinite potentials of creation are already within you - the whole universe is, you just need to become aware of it. And of course marijuana and hallucinogens probably wouldn't hurt either.

i do think they hurt, and can lower your vibrations´and make you lazy. they can also traumatize. i don't like to judge people who do drugs but i don't think recommending them is a smart thing to do. IMHO

[BlatzAdict]

i got a bottle of some good stuff waiting for u..
u know... u might wanna sniff some up...
it's this new stuff it's so hardcore it's called tylenol

[turtledude23]

When I go into the meditative state I want to stay quite rather than keep repeating the mantra, is that ok as a tm practitioner? The reason I want to do tm is because David Lynch and Maharishi said it increase your creativity, and I like to make music videos. Anyone can give suggestions on increasing creativity?

I have little experience in this but from what I read: its all about being "in the flow", in the moment, etc. you just allow yourself to create, the infinite potentials of creation are already within you - the whole universe is, you just need to become aware of it. And of course marijuana and hallucinogens probably wouldn't hurt either.

i do think they hurt, and can lower your vibrations´and make you lazy. they can also traumatize. i don't like to judge people who do drugs but i don't think recommending them is a smart thing to do. IMHO

They can provide catalyst to people who want to live like that but they can't make you anything. Hallucinogens certainly aren't for everyone but I think everyone should try marijuana at least once in a positive setting.

[Ocean]

well i disagree. and i think they can make you damaged, but it is your choice to do them. so they won't harm you if you don't use them. but the physiological effects of drugs can be devastating.

[turtledude23]

well i disagree. and i think they can make you damaged, but it is your choice to do them. so they won't harm you if you don't use them. but the physiological effects of drugs can be devastating.

Well what do you mean by drugs? Heroin and cocaine can be very damaging I agree, and LSD can be psychologically harmful if you have a bad trip but thats relatively uncommon now that the dosage is lower than in the 70s, marijuana has no bad side effects other than being bad for your lungs.

[kanonathena]

I remember reading one of Carla's channalling session with Quo, it talks about how musicians and actors work with different chakra for their work. Is there any information on how artists are different from others, is it a difference in the configuration of the brain, the chakras or anything else?
Another question is that what is happening in the chakras when you visualize?

[Ocean]

i just don't think you should generalize drugs in either way, they can be damaging to some, this has been proven.

lol Aaron your mantra. when i can affort David's AYHS i will totally get it.

do meditations help the mercury retrograde? i'm so wacked out and depressed. how are you creative in that mood? maybe it's just me.

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what is the painting chakra?

btw i heard, and mind this is from a chocolate testimonial on David Wolfe's sacred choc site that raw cacao can help visualization. i'm gonna try that. also, activator X, and i forgot to give you this link Blatz, helps clear the pineal. so uh, it's on http://greenpasture.org and they have fish oil butter oil caps, apparently the fish oil butter oil combo dissolves the pineal crud. i got the link from David Wilcock's mod. i ordered some. we'll see how they help. i really need better visualization.

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http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Produ.../index.cfm well it's X factor, or activator X, either way that's it there. the caps are on the bottom. if you click on the link it gives you more info. for brits and europeans there's a different site that sells that stuff but i forgot the address to the place.

edit: apparently you don't need the butter oil! but it is also beneficial, and cod is too. i'm no expert on this, just looking into it.

http://www.miraclesandinspiration.com/he...ness3.html

[kanonathena]

Hi, Ocean. I red somewhere that said David was referring to the Green Pasture Skate Liver Oil (supposedly another name for catfish) that is useful for decalcifying the pineal, can you confirm it is indeed the butter oil?

[Ocean]

it's not butter oil, skate is fish oil.

ok i found another page where it is said it is skate liver oil you use for pineal, so you don't need the butter oil. what you want is the x factor, to my understanding, and this is in all butter, cod and skate capsules...according to the label which is X factor Gold, but they mention skate in this here article that i'm posting and so i figure it's all you need. however all are beneficial, i'm currently using skate and butter. sorry about the confusion, i'm just as confused as anyone.

http://www.miraclesandinspiration.com/he...ness3.html

[kanonathena]

Here is some feedback for my meditation: I use mantra for the first 10 min then keep my mind still in the next 15 min or so, twice a day. I start the mantra meditation primary to gain creativity for making music videos.

3 days later, more images in my head, a video I have trouble finding the appropriate structure got its structure. Images fill in empty spaces, they are vivid.

With almost each passing day since, I notice the images constantly update themselves, more effective more structured, better flow. My mood is much better, I feel the need to help other people. I become more patient and more understanding.

It's been about 3 weeks, ideas never stop coming in, with regard to music video and everything else (eg. LoO)

I wonder if everyone meditates, they can be whatever they want to be, Da Vinci , Tesla... I have zero education in editing (I'm a accounting/finance student)

[Plenum]

what is a good mantra to use?

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what you want is the x factor, to my understanding, and this is in all butter, cod and skate capsules...according to the label which is X factor Gold, but they mention skate in this here article that i'm posting and so i figure it's all you need. however all are beneficial, i'm currently using skate and butter. sorry about the confusion, i'm just as confused as anyone.

X-factor aka Vitamin K2 MK4 Menaquinone

was doing some research into this a while ago .. i never did end up getting a hold of the oil .. your post just reminded me about it... MK4 is meant to have a few health uses .. how is this going for you?

[Oceania]

i got clearer dreams, my eyesight got a lot better in dreamworld, meaning i can see numbers and letters that stay stable, i haven't taken the caps for a while now and should get some more. i started to remember music, and i never remember music well so it's cool. i started almost hearing it in my head. dreams were pretty cool too. i definitely recommend getting the caps. just make sure you're not allergic the fish. if you are the butter oil should suffice.

[ht4gnirb]

I am interested in trying TM but do want to spend $2500 yet, I came across a table of TM mantras, anyone can tell me if these are authentic?

http://minet.org/mantras.html

Yes, they are. I would use eng because it seems to work for me. It appears that everyone is saying that you should use om. Let me warn you: if getting to the ocean is your goal and the ocean is enlightenment, om is a river that runs dry while eng or ing is a river that flows into the ocean. Also, neither of the words make a difference if your not trained how to use them. Our lifetimes are to short to become enlightened for om to work so we use other mantras. I advise that you learn to do TM. I've grown up doing it and it is wonderfull.

[DMCubic]

I've done a significant amount of work with mantras. In Vajrayana Buddhism they are considered to be like phone numbers which open a psychic connection to a celestial being. Each is supposed to be a sound which is uniquely attuned to its corresponding being and holographically embodies their energy.

I think this is true. Each mantra has its own flavor, and I know that after practice. These aren't just words to occupy your brain; they have other profound effects on the chakras. I think there is even something in Law of One where Ra said certain combinations of words channel higher-density energies for use here, so someone might be able to pull up that citation to add credence to what I'm saying.

My recommendation would be to check out some pictures of Buddhist deities and see if you feel a connection or resonance with one of them. Then look up their mantra and go with it, or PM me if you can't find it and I'll tell you.

Some deities are:

Shakyamuni, Padmasambhava, Tsongkhapa, Milarepa (male ascended masters).

Yeshe Tsogyal (female ascended master).

Green Tara, White Tara, Red Tara, Sarasvati (female-aspected celestials).

Chenrezig, Manjushri, Vajrapani, Amitabha, Medicine Buddha (male-aspected celestials).

There are many, many more. Buddhism has an enormous pantheon. Look these beings up on Google Images and just see what, if anything, clicks for you.

Some deities and their mantras are considered secret. Pretty much every lama will tell you they're dangerous to use, or at least just ineffective, if you're not initiated. I think this is elitist, and I have a strong connection with Vajrayogini, one of the secret deities, without a formal initiation. I know her mantra and I get a good vibration from it when I use it. I also know what it feels like to contact her mind to some degree. We get along great. So I think personally it's the personal connection to the deity that matters when choosing a mantra or mantras to use, and not what some lama says.

(EDIT: The initiations given by Vajrayana lamas are real and efficacious psychic rituals that give one an energetic connection to the Buddha of the initiation. They aren't just for show. They are probably necessary if you want to do certain activities related to the deity with reasonable hope of success. The elitist element comes in when lamas deny that people might, on their own, generate a heart-connection with a deity (or incarnate with one) that can be used to draw in the deity's blessings and compassionate presence. If you feel a heart connection to a deity whose practice is supposed to be secret, a lama would be elitist to tell you not to try to contact them and instead reach out to a more public one with whom you are not as strongly connected. I personally think they would also be elitist to tell you not to use their mantra or see some other secret material related to the deity, such as mandalas or hidden scriptures.

In other words, nobody owns spirit guides, but some spirit guides have special connection rituals that make them far more powerful to the person with the connection. And these connections are, in fact, transmitted through a lineage which you're either in, or not. Regardless, our guides are our guides, and why should we love our guides any less because we are not "officially" connected?)

I think another concern about the more secretive mantras, rituals and deities is that they're geared to blast your energy system hard and fast with some serious light. There are all these preliminary practices in traditional Buddhism to loosen you up before you take on that energy. But they are known to cause instability in some people. Just be aware of what you might be getting into if you stray off into secret territory. Follow what your heart tells you about which mantras are good to use, but also just be aware that a lot of knowledgeable people share these concerns. And if it really overworks your system, don't push yourself. Chill out and maybe pick another mantra.

Again, I can tell you these mantras work, and they work in different ways. They all promote love and wisdom but they all have a particular strength in addition to that. You might want to check out mandalas, too, which are visual representations that also carry the vibration of a deity.

I can't emphasize enough that mantras aren't just meaningless phrases. They have a hidden psychic impact that is very real and spiritually effective.

For Padmasambhava's mantra, which I like a lot, check out this page: http://www.rinpoche.com/gurumantra.html Basically this guy ascended in a light body but continually visits the Earth sphere to reveal treasure texts in people's dreams, or hidden in strange treasure chests people come across. Bottom line, he's around and he helps people out.

Chenrezig's mantra is the classic OM MANI PEME HUNG (Padme, not Peme, if you want to pronounce it in Sanskrit instead of Tibetan).

That mantra is so popular that the vibrations of all the spiritual aspirants who have used it to further their own compassion are almost certainly painted all over it. You'll gain the benefit of their aspirations *and* Chenrezig's energy if you use it.

Anyway. Take my word for it - these mantras are strong and aren't just nonsense words.

[AgentOrange]

Mantras need initiation or they don't work. They're just words. You might as well say "s***" over and over trying to get to trance (& possibly to greater effect). Now a lot of people will tell you that it doesn't matter. You repeat the word and concentrate. That's not meditation. It's "focused attention", or what NLP (Neurolinguistic Programming) calls hypnosis. It's roughly the same state of mind you're in when some one calls out your name unexpectedly. Apparently that's what a lot of people call 'meditation' now. To get to trance though your mantra has to be 'plugged in', or 'charged', and that's what the initiation does. Don't waste time getting anything out of a book.

BTW there are some mantras that don't need initiation, like "om mani padme hum" or "Om nama shivayai". They're open channels given to the world. Do one of these and eventually you'll meet your teacher and they'll initiate you. Real meditation is a very deep altered state trance. This is where everything happens. It's not counting your breath for 10 minutes and thinking to yourself "Wow I'm in on this now!", like those poor people who carry their yoga mats around with them. You'd get farther smoking marijuana (believe me!).

So if you're serious and won't settle for less than full flat out samadhi - start with one of those 'general usage mantras' like om nama shivayai, & wait for the door to open.