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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Healing Health & Diet In regards to eating meat

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    04-28-2011, 12:01 AM (This post was last modified: 04-28-2011, 12:45 AM by Monica.)
    (04-27-2011, 11:15 PM)Azrael Wrote: Well I will take a particular example from the book Seth Speaks, where the entity Seth claimed to have a dog in incarnation. I always try to remember that our higher entities have many other fragments stemming from them across numerous different times, so you never really can tell what's what sometimes. Although as anti-thesis a violent experience as an animal could perhaps be grounds for a very compassionate person who feels the needs and pains of animals, having experienced it for themselves. I suppose every experience is only an experience until it is reflected upon, it is only a lesson if it is examined for learning.

    Also, can't self-awareness exist in potentiation in the same manner of an energy channel needing to be unblocked? It is not the form but the centers which affect the evolution of the consciousness.

    I don't know.
    (04-27-2011, 11:54 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I believe a 1D life form IS an entity. I believe the entity that I am experienced myself and creator as a hydrogen atom (or something) fusing together to create helium.

    So are you saying that every atom is an entity? Is your fingernail an entity? Is every blade of grass an entity? Or the entire lawn collectively? Is each atom of the computer your're typing on an entity?

    How do you define entity?
    (04-27-2011, 11:54 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I believe it becomes 'not okay' when an individual 3D entity determines via their own distortions that it is not okay.

    So...if the pedophile thinks it's ok to rape a 6-year old child then it's ok? We shouldn't bother trying to stop him, because, after all, the child isn't really helpless but just as STS as he is?

    Please clarify if I'm misunderstanding you! I am asking this sincerely, based on what you said in the other thread.

    In your view, should we not bother to try to stop pedophiles, murderers, etc.? As long as they think what they're doing is ok, it's ok?

    So we should treat murderers and child rapists the same as we treat those who cut their lawns? For, see how many blades of grass were killed! Is cutting a blade of grass = raping a child?
    This just popped up via email; just passing it on fyi:

    World Peace Diet: Eating for Spiritual Health and Social Harmony by Will Tuttle

    Quote:Food is our most intimate and telling connection both with the living natural order and with our living cultural heritage. By eating the plants and animals of our earth, we literally incorporate them. It is also through this act of eating that we partake of our culture’s values and paradigms at the most primal levels. It is becoming increasingly obvious, however, that the choices we make about our food are leading to environmental degradation, enormous human health problems, and unimaginable cruelty toward our fellow creatures.

    Incorporating systems theory, teachings from mythology and religions, and the human sciences, The World Peace Diet presents the outlines of a more empowering understanding of our world, based on a comprehension of the far-reaching implications of our food choices and the worldview those choices reflect and mandate. The author offers a set of universal principles for all people of conscience, from any religious tradition, that they can follow to reconnect with what we are eating, what was required to get it on our plate, and what happens after it leaves our plates.

    The World Peace Diet suggests how we as a species might move our consciousness forward so that we can be more free, more intelligent, more loving, and happier in the choices we make.

    From a review:

    Quote:This book is a must-read for anyone who wants to grow spiritually, who wants to live a conscious and compassionate life, and who wants to contribute to world peace. I have read many books on the topic of vegetarianism, animal rights and animal welfare, spiritual growth, and peace and nonviolence. This book stands alone in its ability to make the connection between all of these subjects.

    Will Tuttle, Ph.D. is a rare combination of extraordinary compassion, scholarly research and education, spiritual commitment and wisdom, intuitive insights, and the courage to challenge a worldview which goes back 10,000 years

    In this book, Tuttle explores humanity's relationship with the foods we eat. He points out, very convincingly, that when humans began herding animals, it began to create a consciousness of exploitation which then spread to the control and domination of other humans, as well as animals. So the roots of human's violence to humans are found in the practice of seeing animals as objects to exploit for our own purposes: for food, furs, labor, entertainment, "sport" and experimentation. The use of humans as slaves and the subjugation of women followed the subjugation and enslavement of animals.

    One thing that sets this book apart from any of the others that describe the problems associated with a meat-based diet is the focus on the spiritual aspects of our diet. When we take food into our bodies, we are also ingesting the energy contained in this food. Animals that are tortured and filled with terror and agony as they are killed are filled with this very negative energy. When humans eat their flesh, we are also ingesting this fear and anger. This affects us deeply. We cannot live with peace in our hearts as long as we are filling our bodies with the pain and suffering of other beings.

    Tuttle helps us to see that none of us have actually chosen a diet based upon meat. Our mothers fed us meat from our infancy. As we got old enough to understand that we were eating animals, we were told that animals were put here for us to eat, so it was okay. We didn't question this, any more than we questioned wearing clothes or taking baths. Thus, we absorbed the acceptance of exploitation of animals so naturally that we didn't know it was happening. And being unconscious, it is hard to recognize the violence that is part of our everyday lives through the eating of animals. Therefore, it is also hard to recognize how insensitive we have become to violence, because we have to protect ourselves from an awareness of the violence we are part of 3 times a day.

    This is a very important book for everyone who wants their lives to contribute to more peace in the world, rather than more suffering and violence.

    (Read the other reviews too!)

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    04-28-2011, 12:50 AM
    (04-28-2011, 12:01 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-27-2011, 11:54 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I believe it becomes 'not okay' when an individual 3D entity determines via their own distortions that it is not okay.

    So...if the pedophile thinks it's ok to rape a 6-year old child then it's ok? We shouldn't bother trying to stop him, because, after all, the child isn't really helpless but just as STS as he is?

    Please clarify if I'm misunderstanding you! I am asking this sincerely, based on what you said in the other thread.

    In your view, should we not bother to try to stop pedophiles, murderers, etc.? As long as they think what they're doing is ok, it's ok?

    So we should treat murderers and child rapists the same as we treat those who cut their lawns? For, see how many blades of grass were killed! Is cutting a blade of grass = raping a child?

    It is okay with the pedophile, so it is okay with the Creator.

    What does stopping him have to do with this? If stopping him is okay with you, it is okay with the Creator.

    For almost all 3D distortions, grass and children are completely separate. For the Law of One, they are the same.

    Honestly, it is the "should we" phrases that cause me to think that you take it personal chronologically before what you consider me to be taking it personal.

    Quote:7.17 .... The beings are harvested because they can see and enjoy the light/love of the appropriate density. Those who have found this light/love, love/light without benefit of a desire for service to others nevertheless, by the Law of Free Will, have the right to the use of that light/love for whatever purpose. Also, it may be inserted that there are systems of study which enable the seeker of separation to gain these gateways.

    This study is as difficult as the one which we have described to you, but there are those with the perseverance to pursue the study just as you desire to pursue the difficult path of seeking to know in order to serve. The distortion lies in the effect that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve others is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.

    Quote:7.15 ... The Law of One blinks neither at the light nor the darkness, but is available for service to others and service to self. However, service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines.

    Those seeking intelligent infinity through the use of service to self create the same amount of power but, as we said, have constant difficulty because of the concept of separation which is implicit in the manifestations of the service to self which involve power over others. This weakens and eventually disintegrates the energy collected by such mind/body/spirit complexes who call the Orion group and the social memory complexes which comprise the Orion group.

    It should be noted, carefully pondered, and accepted, that the Law of One is available to any social memory complex which has decided to strive together for any seeking of purpose, be it service to others or service to self. The laws, which are the primal distortions of the Law of One, then are placed into operation and the illusion of space/time is used as a medium for the development of the results of those choices freely made. Thus all entities learn, no matter what they seek. All learn the same, some rapidly, some slowly.

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    04-28-2011, 12:59 AM
    (04-28-2011, 12:50 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: It is okay with the pedophile, so it is okay with the Creator.

    So, I ask again: Then are you saying we should not stop pedophiles? Just allow them to do whatever they please?

    Anything goes?

    What is the point, then? Let's all just party! Nothing matters!

    (04-28-2011, 12:50 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: What does stopping him have to do with this? If stopping him is okay with you, it is okay with the Creator.

    You fail to take into considerations the densities...and that minor little detail called...CHOICE!

    But, if you prefer to ignore most of Ra's teachings, that is your choice!

    (04-28-2011, 12:50 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: For almost all 3D distortions, grass and children are completely separate. For the Law of One, they are the same.

    So, where we are at right now...in 3D...are you or are you not saying we should not distinguish between a child and a blade of grass?

    (04-28-2011, 12:50 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Honestly, it is the "should we" phrases that cause me to think that you take it personal chronologically before what you consider me to be taking it personal.

    There you go again taking it personally! Dang, 3DM, every time I get hopeful that we might have an interesting discussion about concepts, there you go accusing me of something! Why is this so personal for you?

    (04-28-2011, 12:50 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: This study is as difficult as the one which we have described to you, but there are those with the perseverance to pursue the study just as you desire to pursue the difficult path of seeking to know in order to serve. The distortion lies in the effect that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve others is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.

    Obviously. The question is: What do you choose to focus on? Do you wish to polarize?

    You are conveniently leaving out all the many quotes about the paths and polarizing.

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    04-28-2011, 01:04 AM
    Quote:42.3 Questioner: Would a perfectly balanced entity feel any emotional response in being attacked by the other-self?
    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The response is love.

    Category: Balancing

    42.4 Questioner: In the illusion that we now experience it is difficult to maintain this response especially if the attack results in physical pain, but I assume that this response should be maintained even through physical pain or loss of life. Is this correct?
    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and further is of a major or principle importance in understanding, shall we say, the principle of balance. Balance is not indifference but rather the observer not blinded by any feelings of separation but rather fully imbued with love.

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    04-28-2011, 01:06 AM
    (04-28-2011, 01:04 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:
    Quote:42.3 Questioner: Would a perfectly balanced entity feel any emotional response in being attacked by the other-self?
    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The response is love.

    Category: Balancing

    42.4 Questioner: In the illusion that we now experience it is difficult to maintain this response especially if the attack results in physical pain, but I assume that this response should be maintained even through physical pain or loss of life. Is this correct?
    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and further is of a major or principle importance in understanding, shall we say, the principle of balance. Balance is not indifference but rather the observer not blinded by any feelings of separation but rather fully imbued with love.

    Your point?

    How does one love while inflicting suffering upon another?

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    04-28-2011, 01:06 AM
    (04-28-2011, 12:59 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 12:50 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: It is okay with the pedophile, so it is okay with the Creator.

    So, I ask again: Then are you saying we should not stop pedophiles? Just allow them to do whatever they please?

    Anything goes?

    What is the point, then? Let's all just party! Nothing matters!

    (04-28-2011, 12:50 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: What does stopping him have to do with this? If stopping him is okay with you, it is okay with the Creator.

    You fail to take into considerations the densities...and that minor little detail called...CHOICE!

    But, if you prefer to ignore most of Ra's teachings, that is your choice!

    HOW IS THAT NOT PERSONAL??????
    (04-28-2011, 01:06 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:04 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:
    Quote:42.3 Questioner: Would a perfectly balanced entity feel any emotional response in being attacked by the other-self?
    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The response is love.

    Category: Balancing

    42.4 Questioner: In the illusion that we now experience it is difficult to maintain this response especially if the attack results in physical pain, but I assume that this response should be maintained even through physical pain or loss of life. Is this correct?
    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and further is of a major or principle importance in understanding, shall we say, the principle of balance. Balance is not indifference but rather the observer not blinded by any feelings of separation but rather fully imbued with love.

    Your point?

    How does one love while inflicting suffering upon another?

    It should be noted, carefully pondered, and accepted, that the Law of One is available to any social memory complex which has decided to strive together for any seeking of purpose, be it service to others or service to self.
    (04-28-2011, 12:59 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 12:50 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Honestly, it is the "should we" phrases that cause me to think that you take it personal chronologically before what you consider me to be taking it personal.

    There you go again taking it personally! Dang, 3DM, every time I get hopeful that we might have an interesting discussion about concepts, there you go accusing me of something! Why is this so personal for you?

    I am "accusing" you of the exact same thing you are accusing me of!

    You stated that you see that the world is "very wrong". I am arguing that IT IS NOT. This is the world created. This is it. This is how it is. I am arguing that the only way to find love is to accept it as it is. And I am pointing to the LOO to show you this.
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    04-28-2011, 01:13 AM
    (04-28-2011, 01:06 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: HOW IS THAT NOT PERSONAL??????

    Whoa. Chill.

    The answer is simple. Ra spoke of many things, including the perspective (as best as they could ascertain) of the Creator, but, mostly, the perspective that is relevant to us here in 3D.

    Nothing personal at all. Just a valid question: You DO have the choice, as we all do, as to what you choose to focus upon.

    (04-28-2011, 01:06 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: It should be noted, carefully pondered, and accepted, that the Law of One is available to any social memory complex which has decided to strive together for any seeking of purpose, be it service to others or service to self.

    Sorry, I still don't understand your point. What are you trying to say, and how is it relevant to the topic? Please explain.

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    04-28-2011, 01:16 AM
    (04-28-2011, 12:59 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 12:50 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: It is okay with the pedophile, so it is okay with the Creator.

    So, I ask again: Then are you saying we should not stop pedophiles? Just allow them to do whatever they please?

    Anything goes?

    What is the point, then? Let's all just party! Nothing matters!

    What is your point? We absolutely, unequivocally can NOT change anyone but ourselves. We MUST allow them to be.

    I AM NOT, NOR HAVE I EVER SUGGESTED THAT ANYONE DO ANYTHING THAT I THINK THEY SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DO. IT IS NOT MY PLACE. MY PLACE IS TO ACCEPT WHAT IS. FROM THERE, I CAN PROCEED ON MY OWN PATH TO THE ONE. HOPEFULLY THE MORE I SEE THE WORLD AS A LOVING PLACE AND A FULL EXPRESSION OF THE ONE, THE CLOSER I WILL GET. I CHOOSE TO SEE EVERY "UGLY" PIECE AS A PIECE OF LOVE.

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    04-28-2011, 01:16 AM
    (04-28-2011, 01:06 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I am "accusing" you of the exact same thing you are accusing me of!

    I'm not accusing you of anything, 3DMonkey.

    What's with all this talk of accusations? Seriously, 3DM, I truly don't understand what you are so riled about.

    (04-28-2011, 01:06 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: You stated that you see that the world is "very wrong". I am arguing that IT IS NOT. This is the world created. This is it. This is how it is. I am arguing that the only way to find love is to accept it as it is. And I am pointing to the LOO to show you this.

    By 'accepting' are you saying that we shouldn't try to change it? We should just allow pedophiles to do as they please?

    It is a valid question, and I would appreciate an answer. I'm just trying to understand you.

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    04-28-2011, 01:18 AM
    (04-28-2011, 01:13 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:06 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: HOW IS THAT NOT PERSONAL??????

    Whoa. Chill.

    You went all caps and "!" first, chica Tongue

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    04-28-2011, 01:20 AM
    (04-28-2011, 01:16 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: What is your point? We absolutely, unequivocally can NOT change anyone but ourselves. We MUST allow them to be.

    OK, then, am I understanding you correctly, that we SHOULD NOT try to change the pedophile, the murderer, the terrorist? If we witness a child rape about to happen, we should ALLOW THEM TO BE?

    Am I understanding you correctly?

    (04-28-2011, 01:06 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I AM NOT, NOR HAVE I EVER SUGGESTED THAT ANYONE DO ANYTHING THAT I THINK THEY SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DO. IT IS NOT MY PLACE. MY PLACE IS TO ACCEPT WHAT IS. FROM THERE, I CAN PROCEED ON MY OWN PATH TO THE ONE. HOPEFULLY THE MORE I SEE THE WORLD AS A LOVING PLACE AND A FULL EXPRESSION OF THE ONE, THE CLOSER I WILL GET. I CHOOSE TO SEE EVERY "UGLY" PIECE AS A PIECE OF LOVE.

    I get it. I hear you.

    So, to be clear: Are you saying we shouldn't try to stop the serial killer who has a gun pointed at a child? We should just accept him?

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    04-28-2011, 01:20 AM
    (04-28-2011, 01:16 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:06 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I am "accusing" you of the exact same thing you are accusing me of!

    I'm not accusing you of anything, 3DMonkey.

    Seriously??? --->


    (04-28-2011, 12:59 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: There you go again taking it personally!

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    04-28-2011, 01:22 AM (This post was last modified: 04-28-2011, 01:25 AM by Monica.)
    (04-28-2011, 01:18 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:13 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:06 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: HOW IS THAT NOT PERSONAL??????

    Whoa. Chill.

    You went all caps and "!" first, chica Tongue

    Man, 3D, you really seem to be on the rampage.

    What are you talking about? I never use all caps, except for isolated words for emphasis.

    Chill, man. You seem really, really riled.
    (04-28-2011, 01:20 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:16 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I'm not accusing you of anything, 3DMonkey.
    Seriously??? --->

    YES. SERIOUSLY.

    (CAPS used intentionally!!!)

    You really seem to have a major vendetta. I'm starting to get a little creeped out. Please stop.

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    04-28-2011, 01:24 AM
    (04-28-2011, 01:16 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:06 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: You stated that you see that the world is "very wrong". I am arguing that IT IS NOT. This is the world created. This is it. This is how it is. I am arguing that the only way to find love is to accept it as it is. And I am pointing to the LOO to show you this.

    By 'accepting' are you saying that we shouldn't try to change it? We should just allow pedophiles to do as they please?

    It is a valid question, and I would appreciate an answer. I'm just trying to understand you.

    I am saying nothing of what someone should do. I am saying that the LOO suggests that "accepting" is the first step toward a path of Service To Others, and this includes eliminating prejudices of 3D, including prejudice toward STS itself.
    (04-28-2011, 01:20 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:16 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: What is your point? We absolutely, unequivocally can NOT change anyone but ourselves. We MUST allow them to be.

    OK, then, am I understanding you correctly, that we SHOULD NOT try to change the pedophile, the murderer, the terrorist? If we witness a child rape about to happen, we should ALLOW THEM TO BE?

    Am I understanding you correctly?

    (04-28-2011, 01:06 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I AM NOT, NOR HAVE I EVER SUGGESTED THAT ANYONE DO ANYTHING THAT I THINK THEY SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DO. IT IS NOT MY PLACE. MY PLACE IS TO ACCEPT WHAT IS. FROM THERE, I CAN PROCEED ON MY OWN PATH TO THE ONE. HOPEFULLY THE MORE I SEE THE WORLD AS A LOVING PLACE AND A FULL EXPRESSION OF THE ONE, THE CLOSER I WILL GET. I CHOOSE TO SEE EVERY "UGLY" PIECE AS A PIECE OF LOVE.

    I get it. I hear you.

    So, to be clear: Are you saying we shouldn't try to stop the serial killer who has a gun pointed at a child? We should just accept him?

    I am saying that I have no right to tell you what to do. Period. If I believe I can tell you what you should do, then I am on my way to negative polarization.
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    04-28-2011, 01:27 AM (This post was last modified: 04-28-2011, 01:28 AM by Monica.)
    (04-28-2011, 01:24 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I am saying nothing of what someone should do. I am saying that the LOO suggests that "accepting" is the first step toward a path of Service To Others, and this includes eliminating prejudices of 3D, including prejudice toward STS itself.

    I don't disagree with that.

    But that doesn't mean we allow STS to have free reign.

    Else, we are STS too.

    What's the problem again?
    (04-28-2011, 01:24 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I am saying that I have no right to tell you what to do. Period. If I believe I can tell you what you should do, then I am on my way to negative polarization.

    Even if I'm about to kill a child, eh? You would stand by and watch? Is that what you're saying?

    Just what ARE you saying? Please spell it out.

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    04-28-2011, 01:28 AM
    (04-28-2011, 01:22 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:18 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:13 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:06 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: HOW IS THAT NOT PERSONAL??????

    Whoa. Chill.

    You went all caps and "!" first, chica Tongue

    Man, 3D, you really seem to be on the rampage.

    What are you talking about? I never use all caps, except for isolated words for emphasis.

    Chill, man. You seem really, really riled.
    (04-28-2011, 01:20 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:16 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I'm not accusing you of anything, 3DMonkey.
    Seriously??? --->

    YES. SERIOUSLY.

    (CAPS used intentionally!!!)

    You really seem to have a major vendetta. I'm starting to get a little creeped out. Please stop.

    I just pointed at an accusation from you. "seriously" means "do you really not think you just accused me?"
    (04-28-2011, 01:27 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:24 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I am saying nothing of what someone should do. I am saying that the LOO suggests that "accepting" is the first step toward a path of Service To Others, and this includes eliminating prejudices of 3D, including prejudice toward STS itself.

    I don't disagree with that.

    But that doesn't mean we allow STS to have free reign.

    Else, we are STS too.

    What's the problem again?
    (04-28-2011, 01:24 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I am saying that I have no right to tell you what to do. Period. If I believe I can tell you what you should do, then I am on my way to negative polarization.

    Even if I'm about to kill a child, eh? You would stand by and watch? Is that what you're saying?

    Just what ARE you saying? Please spell it out.

    Why do you continue to ask me what I would do?
    Seriously. Please answer this question with all cards on the table.

    Why do you want me to answer with what I would do?

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    04-28-2011, 01:32 AM (This post was last modified: 04-28-2011, 01:36 AM by Monica.)
    (04-28-2011, 01:28 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I just pointed at an accusation from you. "seriously" means "do you really not think you just accused me?"

    You are clearly not interested in discussion. You are insistent upon creating unnecessary drama.

    I don't know what your 'beef' is, 3DM.

    But I'm done.

    I have tried, and TRIED, to communicate with you. I have pm'ed you, but you ignored my pm's. I have tried to make peace. I have tried to understand you. I have tried to communicate and foster understanding.

    But you make it clear that you aren't interested in understanding, or in communication.

    So fine. I will respect your free will.

    I won't be responding to your posts anymore, because there is no point. I cannot make peace with someone who isn't interested in making peace, but is interested only in accusations and vendettas.

    I wish you well, 3DMonkey. I am totally clueless as to what I did to incur your wrath!!!

    PEACE to you.
    (04-28-2011, 01:32 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:28 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I just pointed at an accusation from you. "seriously" means "do you really not think you just accused me?"

    You are clearly not interested in discussion. You are insistent upon creating unnecessary drama.

    I don't know what your 'beef' is, 3DM.

    But I'm done.

    I have tried, and TRIED, to communicate with you. I have pm'ed you, but you ignored my pm's. I have tried to make peace. I have tried to understand you. I have tried to communicate and foster understanding.

    But you make it clear that you aren't interested in understanding, or in communication.

    I tried before to end the discord, by agreeing to disagree, but you said you felt ostracized, and told me you "wanted to connect."

    So I tried again.

    But the result was the same: absurd, unnecessary discord.

    So fine. I will respect your free will.

    I won't be responding to your posts anymore, because there is no point. I cannot make peace with someone who isn't interested in making peace, but is interested only in accusations and vendettas.

    I wish you well, 3DMonkey. I am totally clueless as to what I did to incur your wrath!!!

    PEACE to you.

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    #348
    04-28-2011, 01:36 AM
    Well, I view you in the same way you view me.

    Would you please humor me with one final attempt at discussion?

    Seriously. Please answer this question with all cards on the table.

    Why do you want me to answer with what I would do?

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    #349
    04-28-2011, 01:39 AM (This post was last modified: 04-28-2011, 01:39 AM by Monica.)
    (04-28-2011, 01:36 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Well, I view you in the same way you view me.

    Would you please humor me with one final attempt at discussion?

    Seriously. Please answer this question with all cards on the table.

    Why do you want me to answer with what I would do?

    Because it's easy to speak in generalities and concepts.

    Not so easy to put them into practice.

    I am interested in practical application of concepts.

    If they aren't applied, concepts are worthless.
    (04-28-2011, 01:36 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Well, I view you in the same way you view me.

    I doubt that. I don't think you have any idea of how I view you.

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    04-28-2011, 01:42 AM
    (04-28-2011, 01:39 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:36 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Well, I view you in the same way you view me.

    I doubt that. I don't think you have any idea of how I view you.

    I'm basing it on what you have told me.

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    04-28-2011, 01:45 AM
    (04-28-2011, 01:42 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I'm basing it on what you have told me.

    Well it won't matter what I tell you...so...whatever.

    peace

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    #352
    04-28-2011, 01:46 AM
    (04-28-2011, 01:39 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:36 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Well, I view you in the same way you view me.

    Would you please humor me with one final attempt at discussion?

    Seriously. Please answer this question with all cards on the table.

    Why do you want me to answer with what I would do?

    Because it's easy to speak in generalities and concepts.

    Not so easy to put them into practice.

    I am interested in practical application of concepts.

    If they aren't applied, concepts are worthless.

    I don't believe what I would personally do has any bearing on the concepts.

    I believe the concept IS that what someone does is for them to decide and not an other. (I would be the "other" in all our hypotheticals)

    The only practical application is to be who you were created to be. Thus applied, all actions "are" is the concept.
    (04-28-2011, 01:45 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:42 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I'm basing it on what you have told me.

    Well it won't matter what I tell you...so...whatever.

    peace

    That's exactly what I am receiving from you, Monica.

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    #353
    04-28-2011, 01:48 AM (This post was last modified: 04-28-2011, 01:49 AM by Monica.)
    (04-28-2011, 01:46 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I don't believe what I would personally do has any bearing on the concepts.

    Concepts are worthless if not applied.
    (04-28-2011, 01:46 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: That's exactly what I am receiving from you, Monica.

    ???

    I have no clue what you're talking about.

    But, as I said, peace to you.

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    04-28-2011, 01:51 AM
    (04-28-2011, 01:48 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:46 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I don't believe what I would personally do has any bearing on the concepts.

    Concepts are worthless if not applied.
    (04-28-2011, 01:46 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: That's exactly what I am receiving from you, Monica.

    ???

    I have no clue what you're talking about.

    But, as I said, peace to you.

    I am starting to believe that you really don't. Sad

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    04-28-2011, 01:52 AM
    (04-28-2011, 01:51 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I am starting to believe that you really don't. Sad

    BELIEVE IT!!

    I

    have

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    clue


    what

    you


    are

    so


    upset


    about

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    #356
    04-28-2011, 01:54 AM
    I am not upset

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    04-28-2011, 01:55 AM
    (04-28-2011, 01:54 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I am not upset

    HAHAHAHA!
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    04-28-2011, 01:56 AM
    I suppose you could label me frustrated because I have stated my case more than twenty times, and you just have no clue what I am saying.

    Anyone? Can you understand what I am saying?
    (04-28-2011, 01:55 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:54 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I am not upset

    HAHAHAHA!

    Are you upset?
    (04-28-2011, 01:48 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:46 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I don't believe what I would personally do has any bearing on the concepts.

    Concepts are worthless if not applied.

    True. But the application of a concept is unequivocally user specific. Therefore, one person's choice of application does not define the concept itself. It only defines the user's choice of distortion, which is not needed for discussion unless one wants to label or judge the user for the choice.
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    04-28-2011, 02:05 AM
    (04-28-2011, 01:56 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I suppose you could label me frustrated because I have stated my case more than twenty times, and you just have no clue what I am saying.

    Sure I do. I understand what you're saying. I was just asking for specifics, as to how you would actually APPLY those concepts you are so fond of quoting, and you declined to offer any specifics.

    Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean I don't understand you.

    What I think is that you are fond of quoting lofty ideals, but get upset when someone asks you how to APPLY those ideals.

    (04-28-2011, 01:56 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Are you upset?

    Nope. A bit incredulous, and annoyed with myself for allowing myself to get sucked into someone's drama, but not upset.

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    04-28-2011, 02:07 AM
    So, yes, your consistent request that I indicate what I would do puts me on trial. This becomes not a discussion on material, but a witch hunt for a verdict.
    (04-28-2011, 02:05 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (04-28-2011, 01:56 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I suppose you could label me frustrated because I have stated my case more than twenty times, and you just have no clue what I am saying.

    Sure I do. I understand what you're saying. I was just asking for specifics, as to how you would actually APPLY those concepts you are so fond of quoting, and you declined to offer any specifics.

    Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean I don't understand you.

    What I think is that you are fond of quoting lofty ideals, but get upset when someone asks you how to APPLY those ideals.

    You say this following a quote that says I HAVE told you how to apply the ideals twenty times.
    How? How ever you want!!! That is it. That is what I have said post after post. How ever you want.


    Which frequently comes back with "so just let them die? is that it?"

    How ever YOU want, not how I would do it. The only answer it "how ever you (not Monica) want to do it"
    This is how I see the entire LOO. Anything goes.

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