Guardians from the Octave above

[3DMonkey]

Unity's Judge Dredd!

Fair. Probation for everyone.

[Oceania]

lol how is that fair?

[3DMonkey]

you are being fair.

although I'm not sure if you meant "unity is" or "of unity". If it's the latter, I grant fairness

[Oceania]

i meant Unity is.

[3DMonkey]

back up. delete. delete. delete. delete.

[Oceania]

oops! i guess that's what treehouse is for.

[unity100]

@Unity, Out of curiosity and to keep with the orriginal topic of this forum. How do you connect the Law of Responsibility to the Guardians from the Octave above??

that is actually a very, very curious question with a possible curious answer.

note that, law of responsibility causes even a late 6d memory complex to incarnate in 3d to alleviate distortions they caused, even if with greatest of intentions. they become wanderers, trying to help facilitate the passage into 4d.

an entity which comes to this octave from the next, is also a wanderer, in octave-spanning sense. i think from this point, rest of the conclusion is pretty much straightforward ?

[3DMonkey]

note that, law of responsibility causes even a late 6d memory complex to incarnate in 3d to alleviate distortions they caused, even if with greatest of intentions. they become wanderers, trying to help facilitate the passage into 4d.

I don't believe this is accurate. Free Will allows the 6D memory complex to incarnate in 3D. The Law of Responsibility has more to do with the use of the lesson of light, simply, to be 'nice' or to be 'mean' with their closer proximity to light than those they have freely come to serve.

Again, "responsibility" as in the Law of isn't about "moral obligation". It is about however you will use the light and what that means for an entity's learning.

[Oceania]

yeah wandering is voluntary.

[kycahi]

I agree that Wandering is voluntary, and so is going back in to fix distortions left behind. Nevertheless, I imagine that if a SMC left a mess in 3D they would strongly feel that moral obligation.

[3DMonkey]

Sure. I just want to clarify that the choice is not the Law of Responsibility even though it falls under the scope of such law. Moral obligation is not a higher law of energy dynamics.

[Oceania]

it's not like you're forced, more like you feel you should. that'¨s how i see Ra operating. they were like oh s***, we better go and help those peeps.

[unity100]

it's not like you're forced, more like you feel you should. that'¨s how i see Ra operating. they were like oh $hit, we better go and help those peeps.

its more like a 'the entity found it irresistible' situation.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#17

noone outside needs to force you. the actions you set into motion, basically forces you to do it. the entity feels it like 'finding it irresistible'.

[111]

I see the Law of Responsibility to be associated with choice in that you can choose not to be responsible. You can choose to ditch your responsibility. The Law would then govern the fact that you must incur karma by ignoring said responsibility. These Guardians/Wanderers are here by choice, not because a "Law" governs them. This is my confusion with the Law of responsibility. Unity will you please provide Links to info. You have posted on the Law, and also the info from the LOO that supports this so I can look into it a little furthe!! Thanks

[unity100]

I see the Law of Responsibility to be associated with choice in that you can choose not to be responsible. You can choose to ditch your responsibility. The Law would then govern the fact that you must incur karma by ignoring said responsibility. These Guardians/Wanderers are here by choice, not because a "Law" governs them. This is my confusion with the Law of responsibility. Unity will you please provide Links to info. You have posted on the Law, and also the info from the LOO that supports this so I can look into it a little furthe!! Thanks

the conclusions i reached regarding law of responsibility are all drawn from Ra material itself. and all of these cases i have given examples of, repeatedly, ranging from Ra itself to various persona (in this case patton). i dont know what else i can do for you at this point in time as extra.

first of all, since we dont know why these guardians are really here for, it is a stretch to say 'they are here by choice'.

secondly, you are forgetting the fact that all choices have consequences, and choosing a certain path in the past, brings a person to a particular point in future.

yes, then, they would be here by choice, but, that would be the choice of choosing a path that would bring them to this point.

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as for the examples of law of responsibility acting indiscriminately, the examples i provided in this thread, and the fukujima thread are quite sufficient i believe.

[111]

So you created the name and concept of "The Law of Responsibility" on your own through your personal studies and understandings??? It was never mentioned by Ra? Because Ra clearly speaks of certain Laws (I.e Law of confusion) But I have never heard of this term

[Oceania]

Ra doesn't like to call things laws other than Law of One.

[3DMonkey]

The Patton quote is really good. It shows how the Law is about reaching a level of light and choosing not to apply, instead embracing a previous vibration. This shows that it isn't about morals of perception. It's about energy vibrations of an entity.

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Yeah, Ocean, they alluded to a preference of saying "Way" in that quote, to replace "Law".

[native]

I don't think the Law of Responsibility has anything to do with being responsible..

The Law of Responsibility is : as we draw closer to Light we come closer to a place where we have dealings with others and we and others are under the same universal governing processes of these dealings, which help provide necessary lessons for this very density and its proximity to the Light.

.... As I understand it

I'm confused with what you're trying to say. As I understand it , as has already been stated the more you learn and come closer to the light, the more you are responsible for applying those lessons. You can walk away from those lessons, but you incur the result. Book 5 shows how easily one can stray from their understandings and what can happen.

Perhaps the confusion is in the word responsibility, and the idea that Ra acted outside of their 'responsibilities'. They didn't specifically breach any responsibility, rather there was a cause and effect of their actions and they now have the responsibility to correct it. It simply seems to be a learning lesson for them, and is probably why one of their cycles is 75 million years.

[3DMonkey]

Frankly, I'm trying to make that clear because I don't want us to start throwing around "Law of Responsibility" as some sort of doctrine that places others on "lower standing".

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So far, I think it's working.

[unity100]

So you created the name and concept of "The Law of Responsibility" on your own through your personal studies and understandings??? It was never mentioned by Ra? Because Ra clearly speaks of certain Laws (I.e Law of confusion) But I have never heard of this term

i have not only mentioned, explained but also made multiple references with examples to law of responsibility, in two threads for a week and a half now.

it isnt too hard to just search for it.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?search_...&ss=1&sc=1

[111]

I guess I'm just confused. And I understand why Ra wouldn't like to use the teerm "Law" I just keep seeing Unity refrence everything to it and I can't find anything solid on the concept. Just wanted a refrence point.

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Cool! Thanks unity!

[Oceania]

Ra thinks there is only one law, the Law of One.

[111]

That makes sense oceiania. Because the only thing in exsistance besides intelligent infinity is the distortions of said unity... Everything else falls within the Law of distortion.

[unity100]

Ra thinks there is only one law, the Law of One.

yes. then you dont exist. all you have done and experienced and felt, was none. nothing. nada. zero.

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everything in existence are the derivatives of infinity. this includes the 'Law of One' which is a derivative of infinite intelligence, which is a derivative of infinity.

because the very 'Law of One' there is a law of responsibility. for, for that 'one' state before infinity to be attained, everything must come to full balance.

this means all actions/reactions getting balanced. regardless of intention, regardless of direction, regardless of how long a path they traveled.

[native]

Frankly, I'm trying to make that clear because I don't want us to start throwing around "Law of Responsibility" as some sort of doctrine that places others on "lower standing".

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So far, I think it's working.

Perhaps the beings who approved Ra's actions knew exactly what they were doing by understanding that given the veil of the planet, Ra was being naive and compromising the idea that enlightenment is a delicate balance that requires more participation of the self. So they let Ra do something that would result in learning for them.

While Ra has no emotional attachment to outcome, it's possible that they were acting outside of responsibility by believing they could impress such advanced teachings to a heavily veiled planet, and thus breaching the responsibility of letting such heavily veiled entities to work on enlightening themselves through other methods. They admitted this, saying the use of the pyramids were helpful for Ra's 3d evolution, but that these training-aid's were inappropriate for Earth's peoples.

It seems that Ra tried to spoon-feed too much info, thus skipping the more illusory steps first. On a lesser veiled planet, this doesn't seem to be a problem.

[111]

So at this point right before completion, in balancing All that an entitys journey to unity has encompassed the Law of responsibility draws this entity in some form to Help ALL other enteties in creation? I make a connection in my mind to the "guardians" I have stated in this thread that I believe once the entity passes the tests of this octave, their spirit always remains in this octave as a "holy spirit" of sorts. Helping all of those in this octave towards graduation through Inspiration and service. This is 100% backed by this Law of responsibility. These Guardians from the octave above seem to me to be both Physically incarnate Wanderers and The spirit which draws us all toward unity. By inspiring with the knowledge that graduation of this octave is acheivable. I definitly see the connection to the Law of responsibility

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Frankly, I'm trying to make that clear because I don't want us to start throwing around "Law of Responsibility" as some sort of doctrine that places others on "lower standing".

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So far, I think it's working.

Perhaps the beings who approved Ra's actions knew exactly what they were doing by understanding that given the veil of the planet, Ra was being naive and compromising the idea that enlightenment is a delicate balance that requires more participation of the self. So they let Ra do something that would result in learning for them.

While Ra has no emotional attachment to outcome, it's possible that they were acting outside of responsibility by believing they could impress such advanced teachings to a heavily veiled planet, and thus breaching the responsibility of letting such heavily veiled entities to work on enlightening themselves through other methods. They admitted this, saying the use of the pyramids were helpful for Ra's 3d evolution, but that these training-aid's were inappropriate for Earth's peoples.

It seems that Ra tried to spoon-feed too much info, thus skipping the more illusory steps first. On a lesser veiled planet, this doesn't seem to be a problem.

This could also stem from the curiosity of the questioners with L/L Research

[3DMonkey]

As for the "guardians", my mind doesn't go there. I'll be happy to meet them, who/what ever they are. Let sleeping dogs lie

[unity100]

So at this point right before completion, in balancing All that an entitys journey to unity has encompassed the Law of responsibility draws this entity in some form to Help ALL other enteties in creation? I make a connection in my mind to the "guardians" I have stated in this thread that I believe once the entity passes the tests of this octave, their spirit always remains in this octave as a "holy spirit" of sorts. Helping all of those in this octave towards graduation through Inspiration and service. This is 100% backed by this Law of responsibility. These Guardians from the octave above seem to me to be both Physically incarnate Wanderers and The spirit which draws us all toward unity. By inspiring with the knowledge that graduation of this octave is acheivable. I definitly see the connection to the Law of responsibility

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you can simply view this as a basic logic axiom :

for the 'one' ra speaks of to reach infinity back again, all kinds of things must be balanced.

so, there is a process of balancing towards infinity over infinite time.

there may be things you may need to balance in a density, in an octave, in between octaves, and outside octaves.

in the end, (the beginning) everything gets fully balanced, culminating in a 'one' that moves to infinity.

[111]

Can't say I disagree monkey, it would be nice to talk with a being who's been here done this Lol Maybe one of these days... Guardians from another octave was a term and concept that really jumped out at me the first time I Read the LOO... I'm glad I've got so many colorful opinions on the subject now. Thanks Everyone