The mysterious nature of time

[AnthroHeart]

Zen, is the mind without bias the Archetypal Mind? And is it the bias that is eliminated as we progress? Or is bias + Archetypal Mind, who we truly are?

[zenmaster]

What is eliminated (slowly) is our distortions of and from 'Oneness'. Who we are in potential is that complete 'higher-self' being which has attained that state from creating a unique way out of what the archetypal mind (the logos) has provided as a blueprint. The removal of distortions is part of the polarization process.

On top of the archetypal mind we have the racial mind which starts to form our 'experiential nexus'. Once you start getting into that level of bias, 'outsiders' such as Ra can not really figure out what is going on, as there is something truly unique being created (i.e. fashion, rock music, etc) which have various attachments and conditions involved (which 'infect' us). Because the same basic developmental rules apply, the same lessons must be learned (regardless of manner chosen) Ra can always point the way, however. I guess the skill required in doing so is how one may construct a bridge from current attachments to misunderstandings to what is innately known to be genuine.

[drifting pages]

Gemini, i am curious.

What is your definition of distortion ?

And what having little distortion or no distortion means to you ?

Is it distortion from perfection ?

What is your definition of Creator ? What do you think "creator" is ?

What is your definition of consciousness ?

What is your definition of identity ?

[Confused]

Very nice, zen!

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Gemini, i am curious.

What is your definition of distortion ?

And what having little distortion or no distortion means to you ?

Is it distortion from perfection ?

What is your definition of Creator ? What do you think "creator" is ?

What is your definition of consciousness ?

What is your definition of identity ?

DP, are you taking some spiritual survey?! On a serious note, very good questions to ponder over.

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[AnthroHeart]

A distortion is a ripple in our field.

Little distortion means we can move closer to Creator.

What is "perfection"?

Distortion are not all bad. We're here, manifested because we are distortions of intelligent infinity.

I don't know what Creator is. I don't think we know till we merge back eventually in 7D.

I'm not much for semantics. So consciousness to me is just vibration.

I don't know for sure what identity is. Just that as I move closer, I give up my identity,

being willing to let it go.

Gemini, i am curious.

What is your definition of distortion ?

And what having little distortion or no distortion means to you ?

Is it distortion from perfection ?

What is your definition of Creator ? What do you think "creator" is ?

What is your definition of consciousness ?

What is your definition of identity ?

[drifting pages]

OK thanks for your answers

[Confused]

[3DMonkey]

The way I look at it, we don't start here with a blank slate - we have the potential (polarization) available from past learning. We have a pre-incarnative 'program' which addresses our polarizing and balancing needs by creating biases and dispositions to find certain modes of behavior compelling. That program of study is the basic work. However, the more conscious we are of our lives, the more effective we can be in our work. Learning who you are, in a non-abstract sense, can polarize to a point where there may be such an opening. Apparently that the interpretation of the experience is based on one's valuing system, which itself goes through stages of development. Apparently, on a single life experience, polarization only roughly follows mental/emotional maturity. So one may interpret the (peak/enlightenment) experience differently based on that level of integration.

Once one has that taste, one can not go back - there is no where to hide - one is naked but at the same time 'the cup is full'. There is no true suffering as 'it' supports everything with the genuine connection of an essential nature that is 'infinite'. Because you and society are basically the same thing, on such a foundation, everyone's suffering is seen to be self induced and unnecessary (because the infinite nature trumps circumstantial reactions which people tend to dwell upon). So these difficulties starkly become immediately evaluated as the lessons which they are. And the focus is on how we deal with situations, not how we became victims of situations (as so many here want to focus upon for some reason).

I see "me" as a blank slate. The potential and the program are things I see as 'what the energy did when it met up with this physical vehicle'. I don't think being conscious of our life makes us more effective in "our work" (unsure of what that means). I do think knowing who you are can make you more effective in consciously creating awareness effects of the situations you find yourself in, thus manipulating societal mind.

Part of the reason I take this view is because of the fluctuating stages of one's valuing system. I don't think this system has a 'development' to it. I think there is integration, of course, but I don't see any 'levels' where one's ability to integrate any experience is higher than another's ability to integrate any experience.

I understand what you are saying, zenmaster. I believe that this 'taste' is only a particular flavor that some minds find comfort in. Ultimately, I think that this comfort level is the bait for such thinkers. Sure, it creates a more 'comfortable' society within the like minded, but I find the idea riddled with pitfalls and oxymoron.

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What is eliminated (slowly) is our distortions of and from 'Oneness'. Who we are in potential is that complete 'higher-self' being which has attained that state from creating a unique way out of what the archetypal mind (the logos) has provided as a blueprint. The removal of distortions is part of the polarization process.

On top of the archetypal mind we have the racial mind which starts to form our 'experiential nexus'. Once you start getting into that level of bias, 'outsiders' such as Ra can not really figure out what is going on, as there is something truly unique being created (i.e. fashion, rock music, etc) which have various attachments and conditions involved (which 'infect' us). Because the same basic developmental rules apply, the same lessons must be learned (regardless of manner chosen) Ra can always point the way, however. I guess the skill required in doing so is how one may construct a bridge from current attachments to misunderstandings to what is innately known to be genuine.

An example of how I make sense of "racial mind":

When a single man/mind, for some reason or another, has a choice to make that receives a viewer focus of multiple persons/minds, he becomes the epitome of the phrase "with great power comes great responsibility". At this point, his choice becomes an example of leadership simply due to the fact that multiple persons have decided to be willingly 'infected'. This is how a 'noble man' and an 'evil man' receive these monikers. This also has something to do with why we get so upset with politics and also with conspiracies- we see that some people try to fabricate moments where their choice will obtain multiple viewer focus. The fabrication appalls us. On the other hand, a true, natural moment when a person, based on sheer synchronicity and coincidence, obtains multiple viewer focus, and love/light manifests naturally- this scenario is what truly effects our "racial mind" and the one that sticks with society longer.

[Confused]

Carl Jung - BBC: In Our Time [Part 2 of 3]

[3DMonkey]

By 'abstract', I mean what has been extended away from self in order to be observed, recognized and understood (accepted or acknowledged). Often these projections do lead to emotional responses as they move from mind to body.

Even in the seemingly quite volatile landscape of mind, misunderstandings (biases) remain as attractors unless and until addressed in some manner. At which point we reclaim or take ownership of that part of ourselves. Until then we necessarily force others to point out our misunderstandings. Such is the nature of the complimentary neurotic structures that form the basis of most relationships.

This helps us cope with our self. (and what else is there, right? )

In daily relationships though, I think the projections should not be something scoffed at or attempted to overcome. These projections can never be eliminated, in my opinion. Awareness is crucial, but releasing an emotional response is not a weakness. In fact, it can be just what the relationship requires.

Recently, in a multiple personal and societal relationships situations, I found myself aware. In awareness, I could see the biases and the energy that was trying to unfold, including my own biases. I expressed what I would term a "non-abstract" known trait of my self, but at the same time is a very emotional response trait. (This is my point of conversation here- that understanding self is not overcoming self). This trait was a well placed, emotional "NO!", figuratively putting my foot down. This, in turn, set off a series of events, significantly stirring multiple persons' personal biases and recognizable value systems. The end result, although stirring up many individuals internally, was one where every one was pleased.

Knowing oneself may be a clear pathway to an 'opening', but the opening is an over glorified concept of simple day to day dealings in life. In my opinion.

[AnthroHeart]

There is a smoky smell after all, and it's becoming more noticable. Mom mentioned smell of "chemical burn" in the air (she doesn't know my experience).

Beginning to have slight gravitational distortions in the chair I'm sitting in (a bit of shaking).

Sensation of cheekbones turning mushy.

High pitched sound in the ears and head.

I hope by sharing my subjective experiences I'm not infringing anyone's free will.

[drifting pages]

How can you infringe my free will by sharing your experience ?

[AnthroHeart]

I've come across this in the past, that if I teach what I'm learning, and it causes a lot of inner conflict in people, it can increase rather than decrease distortions. Though Ra mentions we should teach what we learn.

Anyway, body's becoming feeling solid again. The bones never actually became soft, they just felt energetically like that. I have a greater feeling of security and slightly increased density in my field. The working is becoming more subtle now. There were major changes at first, and now it's with the deeper stuff.

Lately, I've needed only 4 hours sleep in a night. And at times a 1/2 an apple is a meal.

The energy has a way of running away with you. A couple days ago I had to go outside and ground for an hour or so. I threw up a couple of times, but the sensation of my stomach wasn't fully there so after that the nausea was gone. I asked Ra to help bring me down to a comfortable level, and immediately felt my crown chakra begin to slow the flow, and then the chakra braking intensified and over the course of about 10-20 minutes brought me back to a comfortable level.

To approach Creator at the level I am, I have to be vulnerable (the state of surrender I'm at). But that state comes and goes as parts of my body have little fears of letting go. So it's now a work of nurturing them along.

[drifting pages]

G morning gemini

All these experiences you have, where do you think they are leading you ?

Is there an overall feeling ?

For example i have all sort of experiences from automatic reactions to time distortion to dreams to possibly other planes.

The overall feeling i have of where i am leading myself in this is

To love. Love.

To feel realization

And just to play around.

Love in the moment.

the moment is Love;

[AnthroHeart]

Well, I am catching glimpses of Creator's Love, so I imagine to more fully know this Love.

I also imagine that opening to intelligent infinity would create a great anchor of Light into Earth.

I can imagine as more people open up to it around Earth, it could really bring in the Light.

[Confused]

To approach Creator at the level I am, I have to be vulnerable (the state of surrender I'm at). But that state comes and goes as parts of my body have little fears of letting go. So it's now a work of nurturing them along.

So very very beautiful, Gemini. Truly beautiful!
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[AnthroHeart]

The Third Eye is also called Lord Shiva. I searched Lord Shiva Black Hole on Google, and there's a few references to it.

http://www.punditravi.com/shiva.html

"He destroys our imperfections in order to ensure our spiritual progress. He destroys our illusions, desires and ignorance. He destroys our evil and negative nature. He destroys our old memories, so that we can move on with the movement of time. He destroys our relationships, attachment, impurities, physical and mental wrong doings, the effects of bad karma, our passions and emotions and many things that stand between us and God as impediments to our progress and inner transformation. And in the end when we have made sufficient progress, when we are ready and prepared, and when we are willing without any inner conflict, he destroys death."

That eloquently and perfectly describes the process of opening up to intelligent infinity, and moving fully into time/space.

I talked with a spiritual indian lady and she said if Lord Shiva opened it could destroy everything, and her view was we should use the 3rd eye as little as possible. Though I find once the process gets going, it takes you with it.

[Confused]

The Third Eye is also called Lord Shiva. I searched Lord Shiva Black Hole on Google, and there's a few references to it.

http://www.punditravi.com/shiva.html

"He destroys our imperfections in order to ensure our spiritual progress. He destroys our illusions, desires and ignorance. He destroys our evil and negative nature. He destroys our old memories, so that we can move on with the movement of time. He destroys our relationships, attachment, impurities, physical and mental wrong doings, the effects of bad karma, our passions and emotions and many things that stand between us and God as impediments to our progress and inner transformation. And in the end when we have made sufficient progress, when we are ready and prepared, and when we are willing without any inner conflict, he destroys death."

That eloquently and perfectly describes the process of opening up to intelligent infinity, and moving fully into time/space.

I talked with a spiritual indian lady and she said if Lord Shiva opened it could destroy everything, and her view was we should use the 3rd eye as little as possible. Though I find once the process gets going, it takes you with it.

I just searched for some video after reading this and I came across this series, which I think is pertinent to this thread

Nassim: Crossing the Event Horizon - Part 1


Is not breaching the intelligent infinity something equivalent to crossing the Event Horizon?

[AnthroHeart]

I'll check out the video later since youtube buffers horribly here at work.
I think once you open the gateway it's like crossing the event horizon.
Reaching intelligent infinity I think is actually the point of reaching singularity.

Have you had a kundalini awakening? Once that happens, then the chakras will begin to intensify,
or crystalize as Ra puts it. Then they and the body can handle the flow of energy that
is in the gateway.

I've probably had it open longer than I've been consciously aware of it, but it's been maybe a few weeks that I've really noticed the singularity.

[Confused]

Have you had a kundalini awakening?

No, Gemini, I have not.

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Here is an interesting quote from the LOO based on the lines on what you are experience, Gemini

36.1 Questioner: In previous communications you have spoken of the mind/body/spirit complex totality. Would you please give us a definition of the mind/body/spirit complex totality?

Ra: I am Ra. There is a dimension in which time does not have sway. In this dimension, the mind/body/spirit in its eternal dance of the present may be seen in totality, and before the mind/body/spirit complex which then becomes a part of the social memory complex is willingly absorbed into the allness of the One Creator, the entity knows itself in its totality.

This mind/body/spirit complex totality functions as, shall we say, a resource for what you perhaps would call the Higher Self. The Higher Self, in turn, is a resource for examining the distillations of third-density experience and programming further experience. This is also true of densities four, five, and six with the mind/body/spirit complex totality coming into consciousness in the course of seventh density.

[AnthroHeart]

Confused, your eagerness in seeking is by far the most effective means of polarizing.

The quote is right. We are distilling ourselves.

When you start approaching and experiencing the gravitational attraction, the process becomes more conscious

and we have finer and finer control of our experiencing.

[Confused]

Confused, your eagerness in seeking is by far the most effective means of polarizing.

True, Gemini, a journey through space, time and the mysteries, to knowingly enter into the one true love of all, the One Infinite Creator.

[AnthroHeart]

My experience of a year ago was centered around the extreme of my emotional capacity. The energy behind my most extreme emotions was intense. Well, as intense as I was capable of expressing. I strained with all that was in me to express emotions as intensely as I could. Hence, extremely strong blue ray.

Now, in accepting, I am realizing that all that emotional energy that I created is being added to the polarity when moving toward a pure vibration.

[drifting pages]

Hi Gimini

What does moving towards a pure vibration entail to you ?

For example, to me pure vibration means single mindness towards a particular range, it may be the rage spectrum, fear, jealousy, it doesn't matter as long it is 99% or more. That is "pure vibration"

The same thing can be said for love, hope, faith, belief, passion, ecstasy etc.

But i suspect when you say pure vibration what you mean is Single mindness towards wanted vibratory states.

Towards what you consider "good" in the dance of "creation' ?

Is that what you mean ?

Did i just answer my own question or am i out of sync here ?

[AnthroHeart]

I'm not trying to move toward anything. I'm being pulled. I just allow it to happen.

[drifting pages]

Yes, but what does it mean ?

[AnthroHeart]

What does it mean to you? That's what's important.

As for me, it's beyond my understanding.

[drifting pages]

To me, everything is about feelings. The meaning behind the symbols.

The feeling of eternity.

The feeling of love.

The feeling of togetherness.

And towards you, the feeling of "pure" wonder.

Words end, feelings don't.

[AnthroHeart]

Then I encourage you to explore the nature of feelings.

Beautiful words btw.

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It's funny. This energy will tempt you with your greatest desires. Desires you never even knew you had.
It will build stories of these desires, one compounding on another. The energy continues to balance ever greater and greater desires
and fantasies and fears you never knew you had. Believe me, it will press ALL your buttons.

When intense desires are balanced, I strive to intensify the stories to make them a greater catalyst.

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At times I feel like I'm moving without polarity, such as when I do not have desire to seek but to just let go.

[Confused]

For example, to me pure vibration means single mindness towards a particular range, it may be the rage spectrum, fear, jealousy, it doesn't matter as long it is 99% or more. That is "pure vibration"

First time I have come across pure vibration being explained in this manner. Very nice, dp. Thank you

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