Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods

[native]

That doesn't really change much, does it?

Indeed. So the question becomes who is changing and why? The magnitude of what's supposedly happening according to this thread shouldn't be a subjective experience. In other words, what is felt should be independent of belief or bias if there truly is something major occurring, which we would all feel.

[unity100]

i didnt find this cosmic awareness source too reliable.

CAN WE TRUST HATONN?

Questioner: Oh yes, Hatonn is associated with the Ashtar Command and the Jesus Sananda on a spaceship group of Tuella. He is mentioning that Hatonn is now to be a trusted entity. I believe Hatonn to be a Reptilian entity. Is he?

Cosmic Awareness: This Awareness does not see this entity as a Reptilian entity, but neither does this Awareness fully endorse this entity as someone to be blindly trusted and obeyed. As always with any being that presents itself as a source of enlightenment, and that presents itself as a well of illumination to be drunk from, that one always queries and questions what is being offered, without abdicating their own power and their ability to discern.

Hidden Elements in the Ashtar Command

This is the time-old battle of understanding that when one puts on a pedestal an individual, a being, a concept, a group or anything that is given power over the individual, one is abdicating their own personal power to discern and to decide for themselves. This Awareness is not saying the information that Hatonn has delivered and may yet deliver does not have a benefit, but It is saying that this information must always be questioned. Certain elements of the Ashtar Command are self-serving and do indeed have that which is a hidden agenda. Their energies are more in alignment in some ways with that which is the Orion faction, the Orion energies -- not even that which is Reptilian, although the Reptilian energies are at play here also. However, even if this is so, individuals need not fall into this misleading energy, and do not need to abdicate their own power or their own discernment.

IS THERE MORE THAN ONE HATONN?

Questioner: That was excellent advice, thank you). Going back to Hatonn, is there more than one Hatonn in the sense that the Matthew material refers to Hatonn too, that often speaks through that material? Is that the same guy or is this someone different?

Cosmic Awareness: It is seen that there are several projections of this entity that refers to itself as Hatonn. It is also referred in certain areas as Atonn, but this is still the same being, Hatonn or Atonn.

Questioner: So there's more than one is that correct?

Cosmic Awareness: Historically there was that being that was known as Hatonn. The Hatonn being is still the same energy.

Why Tiger Woods Had his Painful Experience

The entity Tiger Woods is a prime example of a man who apparently had everything and yet in his pain, in his emptiness, he sought pleasure in inappropriate ways, ways that one is hard to understand, given what this individual created for himself. His was still the individual journey of the soul to have this experience, and therefore to be jealous or envious of this man would be inappropriate, for one must know why the soul needs to have the experience that is being had. In the new consciousness that will allow individuals to find the wholeness and the fulfillment of their being to strive for that which is the pleasure of the soul as it expresses itself in the reality of the experience, one will not need to bring in such pain and misery. One can create for themselves, however they choose to do it, a reality that allows for pleasure, achievement, joy and happiness as the major principles in the reality being experienced. This Awareness is complete.

Questioner: ( Thank you) That's the end of his questions. Did you wish to have a closing message for the membership please?

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That doesn't really change much, does it?

Indeed. So the question becomes who is changing and why? The magnitude of what's supposedly happening according to this thread shouldn't be a subjective experience. In other words, what is felt should be independent of belief or bias if there truly is something major occurring, which we would all feel.

past a point spiritual experience is totally dependent on the entity's mind/body/spirit complex, its past, its biases and its situation and balance at that point in time.

[Edinburgh]

Uncanny for me how accurately these would describe exactly how I have been feeling.

Is it though? On any given day we could survey each other and we would identify with those that agree, and discard those that don't as not being relevant. I've gone through that restless boredom stage when I was waiting on various events for various reasons.

How many of us don't feel what is being discussed in this thread? I see 3DM has been a busy bee as of late, and is rather relaxed. I have been the opposite of bored; motivated.

I don't feel bored at all. I feel totally motivated and happy, and I'm glad to see 3dMonkey being put to some good use around the house.

Ultimately, I took a lot of solace and comfort in the Quo reading I heard (recorded and posted on the sons of the Law of One) ... it was very clear (I went back and listened to it, say half dozen times) ... I wanted to make sure ... Quo stated "no earth changing events to occur".

Plus all that talk about there being several hundred years for the transistion to 4D to happen ... meant for me at least - to focus on personal development, growth, in the NOW, not be caught up on any future point. That way, whatever happened, I had tried my best, with what I had. Does that make sense? I mean, "just do it!" (spiritual growth)!!

[unity100]

I don't feel bored at all. I feel totally motivated and happy, and I'm glad to see 3dMonkey being put to some good use around the house.

remember that infinite intelligence is something that is felt differently by different people. some feel an extreme tendency to service (generally manifests as overwork) some feel extreme joy, some feel other things. experiences are varied.

it should be no different, as the frequencies rise, even if there is not recognizable intelligent infinity contact

[native]

past a point spiritual experience is totally dependent on the entity's mind/body/spirit complex, its past, its biases and its situation and balance at that point in time.

If the harvest is a mechanic, and a person is polarized enough, the experience of it as it is discussed here has nothing to do with anything other than their polarization.

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it should be no different, as the frequencies rise, even if there is not recognizable intelligent infinity contact

"The entity which reaches intelligent infinity most often will perceive this experience as one of unspeakable profundity." This should be a notable occurrence then. I haven't encountered a single person describing this today. Or is it tomorrow?

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Plus all that talk about there being several hundred years for the transistion to 4D to happen ... meant for me at least - to focus on personal development, growth, in the NOW, not be caught up on any future point. That way, whatever happened, I had tried my best, with what I had. Does that make sense? I mean, "just do it!" (spiritual growth)!!

Yep..there is only the present moment.

[unity100]

If the harvest is a mechanic, and a person is polarized enough, the experience of it as it is discussed here has nothing to do with anything other than their polarization.

above statement is imperceptible to analyze. unclear.

it should be no different, as the frequencies rise, even if there is not recognizable intelligent infinity contact

"The entity which reaches intelligent infinity most often will perceive this experience as one of unspeakable profundity." This should be a notable occurrence then. I haven't encountered a single person describing this today. Or is it tomorrow?

tell me why you have conveniently, only partially included the quote. the full quote is :

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...c=1&ss=1#2

34.2 Questioner: You stated at an earlier time that penetration of the eighth level or intelligent infinity allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle. When this penetration of the eighth level occurs what does the entity who penetrates it experience?

Ra: I am Ra. The experience of each entity is unique in its perception of intelligent infinity. Perceptions range from a limitless joy to a strong dedication to service to others while in the incarnated state. The entity which reaches intelligent infinity most often will perceive this experience as one of unspeakable profundity. However, it is not usual for the entity to immediately desire the cessation of the incarnation. Rather the desire to communicate or use this experience to aid others is extremely strong.

why have you omitted the portions of the quote that do not fit with your perspective ?

Plus all that talk about there being several hundred years for the transistion to 4D to happen ... meant for me at least - to focus on personal development, growth, in the NOW, not be caught up on any future point. That way, whatever happened, I had tried my best, with what I had. Does that make sense? I mean, "just do it!" (spiritual growth)!!

Yep..there is only the present moment.

then you are already harvested, in that eternal now. there is nothing to discuss here, for you. why are you here ?

[3DMonkey]

Infinite intelligence has infinite expression. Go figure.

[native]

why have you omitted the portions of the quote that do not fit with your perspective ?

No omission for the reasons you suggest, but emphasizing the fact that Ra is saying the common experience will be an unspeakable one. According to you, we should then expect this to be a common experience at dawn tomorrow, correct?

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Infinite intelligence has infinite expression. Go figure.

Who knew!

[unity100]

why have you omitted the portions of the quote that do not fit with your perspective ?

No omission for the reasons you suggest, but emphasizing the fact that Ra is saying the common experience will be an unspeakable one. According to you, we should then expect this to be a common experience at dawn tomorrow, correct?

ra does not say 'common' there, but, most often.

no, you cannot expect it to be a common experience at dawn tomorrow. or, if we say harvest or the availability of the full spectrum of energies from 3rd octave (from 1 to 7-8th) was not tomorrow, or another day, or, even if it happened already in the past - for the perception/enjoyment/usage of any entity of the available infinite intelligence energies or higher energies, would stay at the level they precisely are at that point :

some would feel an excessive desire to be of service, to work, to do things, this or that, some would feel some enjoyment of the sort they were much invested in, some would feel something else, someone something else, as the frequencies increased.

any entity, would stop at the step/frequency, which it was suitable, and would not go forward. that's what differentiates the experience that is perceived from availability of higher energy spectrum.

if we look at this, the entities which would perceive the kind of profound unspeakable experience, would be ones who stopped/coincided with the 7th ray. which means that the entities which were harvestable.

the same kind of description passes about the entities in the 2nd cycle harvest - harvesting began to take place by entities starting to find the gateway to intelligent infinity. that means, indeed entities started to find the gate, and therefore they were harvestable as thus.

so in short, some people already stopped at whatever advancement level they are at, while the frequency was rising up till this point - if the frequencies were indeed rising up till this point. and, what they perceive tomorrow, or whenever the full spectrum is available, may not change. maybe, intensify. or, get mixed with other feelings.

[Tenet Nosce]

Personally, I experienced a "flareup" coinciding with the solar activity and geomagnetic storm over the past weekend. Overall, things seem to be progressing rather positively. Some old energies of unresolved fears and personal conflicts have re-emerged, but these are subtle and seem more like a final cleanup to me. I have found it significantly easier to move into a state of forgiveness and letting go. We have plans to attend the ceremony at Serpent Mound tomorrow... not placing too much expectation on it...

[apeiron]

So basically, the gateway to intelligence infinity could be available starting tomorrow (depending on time zone) via the sub-logos. Everybody will experience something different, most likely. I wonder if this is what is happening, how long this gateway could be available.

[native]

Some old energies of unresolved fears and personal conflicts have re-emerged, but these are subtle and seem more like a final cleanup to me.

Yes, anything unresolved should continue to be brought up as the transition continues (so a person has full opportunity to be harvested upon normal death of course).

Unity - I certainly don't find it that complicated. We disagree.

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So basically, the gateway to intelligence infinity could be available starting tomorrow (depending on time zone) via the sub-logos. Everybody will experience something different, most likely. I wonder if this is what is happening, how long this gateway could be available.

Contact with the intelligent infinity occurs on a personal level as a result of your own development. It can happen at any time during the incarnation whenever a person makes the choice. Read this thread http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=3222

[unity100]

So basically, the gateway to intelligence infinity could be available starting tomorrow (depending on time zone) via the sub-logos. Everybody will experience something different, most likely. I wonder if this is what is happening, how long this gateway could be available.

yes, the question of the gate how long being available, is the important question.

[apeiron]

Some old energies of unresolved fears and personal conflicts have re-emerged, but these are subtle and seem more like a final cleanup to me.

Yes, anything unresolved should continue to be brought up as the transition continues (so a person has full opportunity to be harvested upon normal death of course).

Unity - I certainly don't find it that complicated. We disagree.

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So basically, the gateway to intelligence infinity could be available starting tomorrow (depending on time zone) via the sub-logos. Everybody will experience something different, most likely. I wonder if this is what is happening, how long this gateway could be available.

Contact with the intelligent infinity occurs on a personal level as a result of your own development. It can happen at any time during the incarnation whenever a person makes the choice. Read this thread http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=3222

Yes I understand, but in one of the most important meanings, the end of the mayan calendar signifies end of third density, right? Or at least of third density becoming a potentiated density, today (even last day) still activated. That is what I understand. Then, it is (theoretically) what Ra refers as harvest time. Or the beginning of this phenomenon.

[native]

Yes I understand, but in one of the most important meanings, the end of the mayan calendar signifies end of third density, right? Or at least of third density becoming a potentiated density, today (even last day) still activated. That is what I understand. Then, it is (theoretically) what Ra refers as harvest time. Or the beginning of this phenomenon.

Going into full potentiation will take years, but the full manifestation of a fourth density reality (meaning total perception of it) will take 100-700 years, according to Ra. There should be a congruent relationship between the two. The fourth density sphere itself is fully formed, manifesting the full conscious experience of perceiving it is a collective process done by those incarnating in dual 3d-4d bodies. The harvest has been going on for years now, which Ra has stated in many ways.

[Tenet Nosce]

Today in History for October 28th



Population of Planet Earth Hits 7 Billion

[apeiron]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxzEeKfpyIg

[unity100]

Yes I understand, but in one of the most important meanings, the end of the mayan calendar signifies end of third density, right? Or at least of third density becoming a potentiated density, today (even last day) still activated. That is what I understand. Then, it is (theoretically) what Ra refers as harvest time. Or the beginning of this phenomenon.

Going into full potentiation will take years, but the full manifestation of a fourth density reality (meaning total perception of it) will take 100-700 years, according to Ra. There should be a congruent relationship between the two. The fourth density sphere itself is fully formed, manifesting the full conscious experience of perceiving it is a collective process done by those incarnating in dual 3d-4d bodies. The harvest has been going on for years now, which Ra has stated in many ways.

you are incorrect.

ra had had said that full transition to a 4th density SOCIETY, would take 100 to 700 years, due to fickleness of its people. there isnt congruency in between the two.

the

[kia]

[native]

Fourth density reality/total perception = society..same thought different language. Naturally up until then, if it isn't fully manifested that means third density energy is still available. There should be gradual perception of new experiences.

[unity100]

Fourth density reality/total perception = society..same thought different language. Naturally up until then, if it isn't fully manifested that means third density energy is still available.

wrong. it doesnt depend on entities being present in a density, or entities' perceptions :

ra says mars has been frozen in mid 3rd density. there are no 3d entities there, perceiving anything. but there is 3rd density. existence of a density/sphere is apparently independent of its inhabitants.

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ill leave this thread for the time being.

[Tenet Nosce]

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[native]

lol

[Monica]

Well, we're still here...seems like an ordinary day so far, actually.

[unity100]

Well, we're still here...seems like an ordinary day so far, actually.

it has been lighter. good in that the frequency/whatever seems to be still rising, bad in that it brings implications with it.

[apeiron]

Sky very clear and blue, sun very bright. I expect whatever energy to increase when aligned to 20 degrees east of north.

[zenmaster]

Fourth density reality/total perception = society..same thought different language. Naturally up until then, if it isn't fully manifested that means third density energy is still available.

wrong. it doesnt depend on entities being present in a density, or entities' perceptions :

ra says mars has been frozen in mid 3rd density. there are no 3d entities there, perceiving anything. but there is 3rd density. existence of a density/sphere is apparently independent of its inhabitants.

Actually, he's quite right, as we clearly see with the present situation on Venus... "Its core vibrational frequency is sixth density. However we, as a social memory complex have elected to leave that influence. Therefore, the beings inhabiting this planetary influence at this space/time are fifth-density entities. The planet may be considered a fifth/sixth-density planet."

And the correct quote from Ra regarding Mars being frozen in mid 3D was:

"Upon the entity known to you as Mars, as you have already discussed, this entity was stopped in mid-third density, thus being unable to continue in progression due to the lack of hospitable conditions upon the surface. This planet shall be undergoing healing for some of your space/time millennia."

[apeiron]

Well, we're still here...seems like an ordinary day so far, actually.

it has been lighter. good in that the frequency/whatever seems to be still rising, bad in that it brings implications with it.

Probably too early to pinpoint any implications.

[unity100]

Fourth density reality/total perception = society..same thought different language. Naturally up until then, if it isn't fully manifested that means third density energy is still available.

wrong. it doesnt depend on entities being present in a density, or entities' perceptions :

ra says mars has been frozen in mid 3rd density. there are no 3d entities there, perceiving anything. but there is 3rd density. existence of a density/sphere is apparently independent of its inhabitants.

Actually, he's quite right, as we clearly see with the present situation on Venus... "Its core vibrational frequency is sixth density. However we, as a social memory complex have elected to leave that influence. Therefore, the beings inhabiting this planetary influence at this space/time are fifth-density entities. The planet may be considered a fifth/sixth-density planet."

no youre mistaken too.

note how Ra says the planet may be considere fifth/sixth density planet. this means, both fifth and sixth densities exist, however, only 5th density is inhabited. 6th density is not going away because 6th density entities left.

And the correct quote from Ra regarding Mars being frozen in mid 3D was:

"Upon the entity known to you as Mars, as you have already discussed, this entity was stopped in mid-third density, thus being unable to continue in progression due to the lack of hospitable conditions upon the surface. This planet shall be undergoing healing for some of your space/time millennia."

and ?

Well, we're still here...seems like an ordinary day so far, actually.

it has been lighter. good in that the frequency/whatever seems to be still rising, bad in that it brings implications with it.

Probably too early to pinpoint any implications.

it seems to me whatever situation was set in the last few days is continuing. since we have ran out of calleman's calculated calendar, it is rather hard to predict whether will it keep doing sinuses, and if so, when. the possibility of the dates/calculations being off did not escape me. but if so, in the long run, we should be able to fit it into a pattern by observing the effects. but, if the process is rather at a later state, it may be hard to identify energies of higher vibrations.

[apeiron]

It could be due to so many factors. Calleman could be right on the mark and still since we don't know how these energies are going to manifest, how intensity is going to pan out, and many other things we enter confusion territory.

I have noted changes in me and situations. I don't know if these energies are going to manifest in increasing intensities in movements such as OWS, weather patterns or just an "in crescendo" energetic build up or all of the above and more. Almost feels subsequent thought forms have less and less to do with 3d thoughts/forms and more and more into mystery and very open and amenable to pliability. Most of the time (not always) of a positive nature.