02-16-2015, 05:29 PM
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02-16-2015, 05:29 PM
If you were to awaken further to your higher self you'd most likely realize that in your life you have unconsciously played the role of a mirror for other-selves all along. Your signature is such an occurrence.
02-16-2015, 05:31 PM
(02-16-2015, 05:26 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Why do people react so much at your signature? It is because it reflects an inner conflict that is in them, else it would get no attention. Let's take it a step further. Why do you suppose they have an inner conflict about eating meat, but not about eating tomatoes?
02-16-2015, 05:32 PM
02-16-2015, 05:33 PM
(02-16-2015, 05:31 PM)Monica Wrote:(02-16-2015, 05:26 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Why do people react so much at your signature? It is because it reflects an inner conflict that is in them, else it would get no attention. Because they call it silly, but as you stated it can be possible.
02-16-2015, 05:36 PM
(02-16-2015, 05:33 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Because they call it silly, but as you stated it can be possible. Why do you suppose they think it's silly? I thought they were offended because I said something they do is STS. But if they eat tomatoes too, shouldn't they be offended by me saying that eating tomatoes is STS?
02-16-2015, 05:36 PM
Throwing away an object is also STS, ignoring that an object wishes to be admired, or taken also is STS. You unconsciously heed to resist to these calls.
(02-16-2015, 05:36 PM)Monica Wrote:(02-16-2015, 05:33 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Because they call it silly, but as you stated it can be possible. I am not saying that signature would not be good, all I'm saying is that your current signature is effective. Though it had no effect on me, all I wish to discuss with you is your perception of STS. Why? I know not, it happens. Just like I am sometimes compelled to hold a crystal and channel energy into to it, to channel energy into the crystal cluster consciousness and then later feel that the crystal wishes to be left alone. Despite feeling those calls, sometimes I feel compelled to ignore them also. I have no interest in heeding or resisting, but as Thoth stated in the emerald tablets, consciousness sometimes need to be resisted and not accommodated. The Earth also works this way.
02-16-2015, 05:39 PM
02-16-2015, 05:42 PM
(02-16-2015, 05:39 PM)Monica Wrote:(02-16-2015, 05:36 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Throwing away an object is also STS, ignoring that an object wishes to be admired, or taken also is STS. You unconsciously heed to resist to these calls. Your signature can be anything, I would not see anything wrong with it being about tomatoes as I did not see it wrong as being about meat. I opened the idea that it could also be "Throwing an object is STS".
In short we can say you are compelled to work in a certain way and that is the balance you bring to this sphere and the role you have. There is nothing wrong with it.
Your current signature simply had an greater impact because it caused much turmoil. One about tomatoes would not necessarily be silly, but when you talk about it, no one seems to react. Which is probably why you chose to have it about meat, unconsciously you have done your work as a mirror and it worked magnificently.
02-16-2015, 06:11 PM
(02-16-2015, 05:44 PM)Minyatur Wrote: In short we can say you are compelled to work in a certain way and that is the balance you bring to this sphere and the role you have. There is nothing wrong with it. But why does a sig about meat cause so much inner turmoil, whereas saying the exact same thing about tomatoes doesn't?
02-16-2015, 06:42 PM
The concept of democracy and the harvestable threshold of 51% yields some philosophical intrigue for me. I really need to cut back on stroking my cat!
02-16-2015, 07:07 PM
Your signature is just that; yours.
It doesn't matter to me what's in your signature; what I look for is how compassionate you are to others in your interactions. (02-16-2015, 06:11 PM)Monica Wrote:(02-16-2015, 05:44 PM)Minyatur Wrote: In short we can say you are compelled to work in a certain way and that is the balance you bring to this sphere and the role you have. There is nothing wrong with it. I am not entiely sure tomatoes do not want to be eaten, maybe the entity wishes to help and give to other entities and be appreciated, I guess I'd need to try to feel it. I'd say the Earth is changing and the turmoil your signature brings, is because it plants a seed in the mind of those who react. This seed can eventually grow and change their ways with time. You can have been called to have this signature because of the turmoil it raised and in that why it was needed. This is a subject, but your signature could have been many things and bring as much reactions, you have the role of waking up some about this. The mirroring effect could have also been not about meat but other less apparent things, like viewing differences in perspective with other-selves which the other thread was full of. For my part, I do not stop to eat meat because I do not think my consommation has any impact on the market and how many annimals will be slaughtered. I consume the meat with grattitude because it is there as it gives it an use and not a purposeless death. If the whole planet was like me tough, no one would have a choice in being vegetarian as no one would initiate nor wish to partake in the slaughter. You can say my doing is a way for the sacrificied annimal to not have died in vain, as your way as a group reduces together the number of slaughtered annimals. Different roles. For more or less the same reasons, I do not vote. I let 3D decide how 3D is and try not to influence it as it doesn't seem to be my role.
02-16-2015, 07:40 PM
Is no moderator paying attention to the fact that this thread has been completely derailed and this discussion belongs in another part of the forum? Along with numerous other threads overtaken by particular individuals?
Stop stinking up every single part of the forum with this childish argument. It's like having someone take a crap on your plate while you're eating dinner.
02-16-2015, 08:01 PM
Eating tomatoes is STS
Eating tomatoes causes unnecessary suffering, it is not needed for a human body because all the nutrients tomatoes provide can be found in other sources. Therefore my suggestion is to stop eating tomatoes because you may be causing unnecessary suffering. Now there may be exceptions such as you grow your own tomatoes, or there is nothing else you have to eat, or something else that may be acceptable to an STO polarizing entity. I base this conclusion on what I know, that basically we have enslaved the people who harvest our tomatoes. Now everyone reading this knows as well. Here is more detailed information. Florida farmworker's wages: Pick 32 pounds of tomatoes and earn 50 cents, and Senators admit they know it http://scienceblogs.com/thepumphandle/2013/02/04/florida-farmworkers-wages-pick-32-pounds-of-tomatoes-earn-50-cents-and-senators-admit-they-know-it/ As reported in December 2012 by HuffPost’s Jason Cherkis, a coalition of 28 nonprofit legal and social services organizations filed a complaint with the United Nation’s alleging violations of human rights law in the U.S. agricultural industry. Among other complaints, they describe a “slave-master relationship” between U.S. growers and migrant workers. That abuse and other injustices are the result of gross deficiencies in U.S. labor laws and enforcement, from the H-2A temporary agricultural VISA program, to exemptions of farm workers from rights to minimum wage, overtime and collective bargaining. “… [they] have been performing very important and difficult work to maintain America’s food supply while earning subsistence wages." **This post is meant to be satirical to shed light on a very real truth that no matter what you eat if it comes from agri-business and the food industry, somebody is suffering to get that food to your table. No one is innocent. (02-17-2015, 10:01 PM)Shemaya Wrote: **This post is meant to be satirical to shed light on a very real truth that no matter what you eat if it comes from agri-business and the food industry, somebody is suffering to get that food to your table. No one is innocent. Very true! In this case, it's the agricultural system at fault, not inherently eating tomatoes. Nevertheless, we aren't seeing anyone getting riled over my tomatoes comment, even when it has its very own thread! Why? It has even been called satirical, ironic, and absurd. No one is yelling "You're judging us tomato eaters!" Why? Because judgment comes from within. I could tell people all day long that they're STS for eating tomatoes, and they'll just laugh at the absurdity of it. Not so with meat. Why? Because it's not absurd.
02-17-2015, 10:39 PM
(02-17-2015, 10:25 PM)Monica Wrote: [quote pid='171335' dateline='1424224870'] [/quote] That's not true. Judgment is projected onto others that are not in synch with you or someone's moral standards. That is not just within, though it is true that we may judge ourselves as well. Eating tomatoes has not been an issue of morality until now, now that we know that there is slavery involved with the harvesting of tomatoes. If we stop eating them, then maybe the slavery will end. However, it is probably better to make legislative changes; that is what we need activists for.
02-17-2015, 11:05 PM
(02-17-2015, 10:39 PM)Shemaya Wrote: That's not true. We're both right. It can be both. One can certainly pass judgment on another person, true. But it is also true that oftentimes, people feel judged when there was no judgment intended. In such cases, the judgment comes from within. Case in point: No one feels judged by my tomatoes comment, no matter how much I say it. That's because there's nothing inherently wrong with eating tomatoes. (As I pointed out, any issues regarding harvest have to do with agricultural methods and/or politics, NOT with the actual eating of tomatoes! Tomatoes are karma-free; they are a fruit that falls from the vine.) Whereas, people feel judged by my meat comments, because there is something inherently wrong with killing and eating animals. You could tell me "Monica, you are wrong to eat tomatoes" and no matter how harshly you say it, I won't ever feel judged. I might feel annoyed, but not judged. I have zero guilt about eating tomatoes. (And yes, I do grow my own...or buy at the local, organic farmer's market when possible.) Back when I still ate cheese, I did feel guilt, because I knew that cheese fed the meat industry. It wasn't because my vegan friends told me to feel guilty; they didn't even know that I still ate cheese as a comfort food. Back when I ate meat again for 2 years, when I was sick and desperate, I didn't feel guilty, because I knew that it was to the extent necessary. (It didn't help at all, so I went back to being vegetarian and resolved my health issues later.) I felt grossed out, but not guilty. Guilt serves a purpose. Healthy remorse is our conscience speaking to us. It's only when we continue to carry that guilt, well past the point of learning from the catalyst, that it becomes unhealthy...or when it's a result of puritanical religious prohibitions or something like that.
02-17-2015, 11:16 PM
(02-17-2015, 11:05 PM)Monica Wrote:(02-17-2015, 10:39 PM)Shemaya Wrote: That's not true. Monica, I think you have been pretty clear about your conviction about the morality of eating meat. People feel judged about eating meat because others believe that it is morally wrong. It comes across pretty clearly in many of the posts. Just because you believe it is morally wrong, does not make it inherently wrong.
02-17-2015, 11:23 PM
(02-17-2015, 11:16 PM)Shemaya Wrote: Monica, I think you have been pretty clear about your conviction about the morality of eating meat. People feel judged about eating meat because others believe that it is morally wrong. It comes across pretty clearly in many of the posts. I disagree, and even devised a test to prove or disprove that theory. I have repeatedly tried telling people that eating tomatoes is STS, and they laughed at the absurdity of it. (02-17-2015, 11:16 PM)Shemaya Wrote: Just because you believe it is morally wrong, does not make it inherently wrong. The only way anyone could say it's not morally wrong is if they lack compassion. Looking into the eyes of a sentient being who feels pain and fear, and brutally killing them anyway, is immoral. If that's not immoral, then there is no such thing as morality or ethics (which a lot of people here apparently believe). By that logic, then any other brutality is ok too...rape, murder, pedophilia, senseless wars, whatever...anything goes.
02-18-2015, 08:44 AM
(02-17-2015, 11:23 PM)Monica tried telling people that eating tomatoes is STS, and they laughed at the absurdity of it. Wrote:(02-17-2015, 11:16 PM)Shemaya Wrote: Just because you believe it is morally wrong, does not make it inherently wrong. I know many people who are very compassionate who eat meat, who would say it is not morally wrong. Carla for example. To think that eating meat is a litmus test for how open a persons heart is, is just wrong and a biased judgement. Your second statement is not true, it is just what you believe. Many ethical and moral and spiritual people eat meat and for them brutality, rape , murder etc. is morally wrong. I know this really bothers you Monica, but it is just how it is right now. You cannot change it, but there are many things you can do that will foster people seeing your vision and move human evolution forward. (02-18-2015, 08:44 AM)Shemaya Wrote: I know many people who are very compassionate who eat meat, who would say it is not morally wrong. Carla for example. To think that eating meat is a litmus test for how open a persons heart is, is just wrong and a biased judgement. Shemaya, do you know what cognitive dissonance is? The heart may be open (towards humans) and the person overall compassionate, yet have a blind spot in this area. If they cannot feel compassion towards our younger other-selves, then that is a blockage, just as surely as a white person feeling compassion for other whites, but not for black people, is a blockage. It's selective compassion. Racism, sexism, speciesism...they are similar isms. If they think that brutality, murder, and rape are wrong, yet continue to eat meat, then they are in denial, because eating meat causes brutality, murder and rape. Even drinking milk does also. The cows are literally raped, on a regular basis. In this age of the internet, they can no longer feign ignorance. Such 'ethical and moral and spiritual people' are choosing to close their minds to what it really is that they are supporting. This is often a subconscious choice, but a choice nonetheless. If they didn't, they wouldn't be able to support those things.
03-07-2015, 04:18 AM
Excerpt from "Bringers of the Dawn"
The human body is evolving and changing. It may believe that it needs a certain nutritional combination because this is what you have been taught. Ideally at this point, however, you will forget what you have been taught. You will listen to your body and let your body tell you what it wants. We would guess that many of you in the last year have changed the things you want to eat. You no longer feel comfortable eating what you used to eat because the vibration within certain food is so intense that it is not compatible with you. In the meat industry as you know it, the cattle, pigs, and chickens are not fed food. They live in small compartments, and many of them do not see the light of day. Many of them defecate on top of one another because they live in layers of small metal boxes. This is how they are raised. They are fed steroids and antibiotics-things other than food. They are not raised with love. When they are taken to slaughter, they are also not killed with love. So you are ingesting this vibration. Remember that all things exist as a vibration. Animals were put upon the planet to be companions for you, to live on the land, and to feed you and shelter you if necessary. This was to be done with love. If you live on a farm and raise your own chickens and pigs, and if you feed them food, and if, when it quality of life to the animals, and then the animals in turn recycle themselves to give you love and quality of life. That is the ideal. That was the reality for a long time upon this planet. It is not the reality any longer. Be aware of the vibration within things. Let your body speak what it wants. Let yourself be willing to change, because your body, as it attempts to raise its vibration and build a light body, will move away from certain foods. Intend that you wish to change your diet and then intend that things come to you. We emphasize over and over again that you are much more than physical beings. You exist in many realities, and you have a multitude of guides. So each of you needs to become more clear in your intentions. What do you want State, "I want to evolve. I want to change my diet. I wish to have a greater sense of intuition." Be clear about what you intend. The words I intend have tremendous power.
03-07-2015, 06:26 AM
Monica, a lot of the posts I have seen from you have had a focus on the dichotomy between STS and STO. I was wondering what about those ideas has attracted so much of your energy that you have placed such import onto them? Are we not the Creator? Are we not one?
Yes, 3rd density would appear to be about the choice. A host of lives lived across the full spectrum of what we call "Good" or "Bad". So that we can determine which path most calls us. But unity is achieved towards the close of this universe. I do not think the labels of STO and STS are very useful. It fosters a black and white "us vs them" perspective. STS is often labeled "evil" and STO "good". However the ideals of good and evil are themselves difficult to truly apply. Much of life, existence, and personality is fluid. It is ever changing and never one thing. Labels such as good and evil or STO and STS are cookie cutter. They attempt to describe that which is always changing and thus can't be described. In a reality where all things are the creator, where all of us are one. We are all 100% good. 100% evil. 100% STO. 100% STS. All at once. And yet we are also none of these things. For in unity there is only being. Nothing is "good" and nothing is "evil". All things just ARE. One of the main points I have gathered from TLOO is that this universe is a way for the individualized creator selves that we are to experience more of who we are. Of what is possible for us to be. From where we all are right now, reality seems very much dualistic. Day and night. Heat and absence of heat. Breathing in and breathing out. Man and Woman. everything around us seems to have a duality. A counterpart. And it would be easy for us to believe that because this is so, duality must be one of the most important things to take notice of. On the idea of STS and STO specifically. STO needs STS to understand why it wants to serve and help others. Imagine the classic idea of Christian Heaven Or even the end goal of Buddhism. A place of eternal bliss and happiness. Where there is no strife or discord. What I see when I look at these ideals is a place of stagnant evolution. There would be no to very little personal development of being. At least from within this universe and it's focus on duality. For this go around we need contrast and difference to be able to experience "new" experiences. When looked at from this view, STS is not an evil to "fight". And STO is not a good to place onto a pedestal. Both are valid expressions of experience by the creator in this dualistic universe. The way Ra described conflict in higher densities, STS tries to take advantage of STO. But STO offers freely itself in service to STS. Thus no ground is gained on either side. As STS wants to take and STO gives. It is 2:19 am for me right now, and I have lost track of where(if anywhere) I was going with this. I am not sure I really was able to get across what I was thinking. I have very little energy to give with regards to communicating ideas right now. So I don't think I am being as clear or eloquent as I would like. Possibly even scattered. In regards to the idea that eating a tomato is STS. I counter with So what? Even "STO" contains some service to self. Else all people of that persuasion would die from lack of self care. And too, have you considered that perhaps the tomato might desire to be of service to those it can be of service to? namely us and other animals. That by denying the tomato this goal by refusing to partake in its nutrition, we are rejecting its attempts to be of help. Part of being service to others is the accepting of others offers of service. Conifer16, Namaste :-)
03-26-2015, 04:38 PM
This thread is brilliant. I'm glad I was able to free up my time to read this valid thread. No conscience getting bothered, nothing wrong. Perfect.
03-26-2015, 08:27 PM
(03-07-2015, 04:18 AM)Ethernysana Wrote: Let yourself be willing to change, because your body, as it attempts Profound! This is in alignment with what Dr. Gabriel Cousens says. He claims a 100% success rate with hundreds of people who wanted to go vegan for spiritual/ethical reasons but had cravings or other challenges. He said that the first step was making the choice. Then, it was simply a matter of making some adjustments based on one's metabolic type. |