03-17-2017, 05:36 PM
If I might be an arrogant stubborn ass, I want to revisit E_s's post.
I want to describe what I saw in it initially, and why I didn't see it as insulting, at first. I saw someone expressing their 'truth' regardless of it's distortions, it was a sincere attempt in my eyes to create a blue ray honest vibration, despite being imbued with damaging ideas, it was their internal ideas that was being expressed.
It's something I thought was brave, to share those kinds of feelings here. If e_s comes back around, I hope he'll open up to himself enough so to ask himself why he feels such ways towards women, and what he can do to voice his honesty in future interactions with some kind of disclaimer that he is aware his opinions are considered extreme and cruel to others, but that he doesn't view it as such.
I think culturally we need to also understand that Women in the US do on average have it better than in some other parts of the world, as do men, but especially women compared to say... Saudi Arabia. Or areas around the Eastern hemisphere. So when someone from that hemisphere comes here with such views that most women worldwide would be appalled at, it's so vitally important that we help them see things differently instead of becoming angry at them. Such as, looking at e_s and affirming to him.
All women are not as you feel they are, and there is so much more to a person than their outer appearance. The body is just the portions of the soul visible to our physical senses, there is SO MUCH MORE going on beneath and beyond the surface of the body for that person. We need to apologize, to let him know we don't mean harm, and we need to thank him for sharing himself with us and providing his catalyst for all of us to process with him. Then we should forgive and love him as another portion of the creator experiencing distortions to help learn not just for himself, but for all of us in the long run.
Won't those with anger at him forgive him? Not so much for him as much as for yourselves? You may find you don't need any real reason to forgive an abuser except a desire to let go and move on from their abuse. If they can't hurt you, if they can't harm you, they become powerless. (Though if they become physical you should get the flying f--- out of there because NO ONE deserves that s---!)
But in the case of e_s, I think he's not such a bad guy, if you prefer couldn't we just leave it at he is as he is, confused and distorted like the rest of us?
We could learn a lot of healing by using his one post to discover just how we can all meet inequality thinking with nudges towards equality. Can't we just give him a big stupid smile and say, 'you're so stubborn' and laugh and mention to him that you hope one day he'll find it deep down in himself to respect the feminine equally?
None of us need be right or tell another to agree with us, we just need to be open enough to meet differences with love and personal unique respect of each individual.
There was a thought experiment in another thread that got me to wondering. Won't we all perform a small thought experiment and attempt to meet e_s's words from the perspective of the opposite gender, to let those remarks that are pass through us like light does glass and instead view his remark from the angle of 'how do I help you heal' rather than 'how do I make you see you are damaged'?
Guys, see his post as if you were a woman. Ladies, see his post as if you were a man.
How do we feel about it now?
I want to describe what I saw in it initially, and why I didn't see it as insulting, at first. I saw someone expressing their 'truth' regardless of it's distortions, it was a sincere attempt in my eyes to create a blue ray honest vibration, despite being imbued with damaging ideas, it was their internal ideas that was being expressed.
It's something I thought was brave, to share those kinds of feelings here. If e_s comes back around, I hope he'll open up to himself enough so to ask himself why he feels such ways towards women, and what he can do to voice his honesty in future interactions with some kind of disclaimer that he is aware his opinions are considered extreme and cruel to others, but that he doesn't view it as such.
I think culturally we need to also understand that Women in the US do on average have it better than in some other parts of the world, as do men, but especially women compared to say... Saudi Arabia. Or areas around the Eastern hemisphere. So when someone from that hemisphere comes here with such views that most women worldwide would be appalled at, it's so vitally important that we help them see things differently instead of becoming angry at them. Such as, looking at e_s and affirming to him.
All women are not as you feel they are, and there is so much more to a person than their outer appearance. The body is just the portions of the soul visible to our physical senses, there is SO MUCH MORE going on beneath and beyond the surface of the body for that person. We need to apologize, to let him know we don't mean harm, and we need to thank him for sharing himself with us and providing his catalyst for all of us to process with him. Then we should forgive and love him as another portion of the creator experiencing distortions to help learn not just for himself, but for all of us in the long run.
Won't those with anger at him forgive him? Not so much for him as much as for yourselves? You may find you don't need any real reason to forgive an abuser except a desire to let go and move on from their abuse. If they can't hurt you, if they can't harm you, they become powerless. (Though if they become physical you should get the flying f--- out of there because NO ONE deserves that s---!)
But in the case of e_s, I think he's not such a bad guy, if you prefer couldn't we just leave it at he is as he is, confused and distorted like the rest of us?
We could learn a lot of healing by using his one post to discover just how we can all meet inequality thinking with nudges towards equality. Can't we just give him a big stupid smile and say, 'you're so stubborn' and laugh and mention to him that you hope one day he'll find it deep down in himself to respect the feminine equally?
None of us need be right or tell another to agree with us, we just need to be open enough to meet differences with love and personal unique respect of each individual.
There was a thought experiment in another thread that got me to wondering. Won't we all perform a small thought experiment and attempt to meet e_s's words from the perspective of the opposite gender, to let those remarks that are pass through us like light does glass and instead view his remark from the angle of 'how do I help you heal' rather than 'how do I make you see you are damaged'?
Guys, see his post as if you were a woman. Ladies, see his post as if you were a man.
How do we feel about it now?