Secret Bank account is real!!!..received R34 reversal code!!!!
10-24-2017, 10:29 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-24-2017, 10:45 AM by APeacefulWarrior.)
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RE: Secret Bank account is real!!!..received R34 reversal code!!!!
(*mutter*) Why am I still talking about this?

Ok, regarding the R34 rejection code thing.  I took a few minutes to look into how the ACH system works, and this actually does have a simple explanation.  Because all electronic bank transfers go through the National Automated Clearing House Association.  According to their own page on how this all works:

Quote:1. An Originator– whether that’s an individual, a corporation or another entity– initiates either a Direct Deposit or Direct Payment transaction using the ACH Network.  

(One key note:  The Originator in our case is the receiving party, not the check-writer. -APW)

2. Instead of using paper checks, ACH entries are entered and transmitted electronically, making transactions quicker, safer and easier.

3. The Originating Depository Financial institution (ODFI) enters the ACH entry at the request of the Originator.

4.  The ODFI aggregates payments from customers and transmits them in batches at regular, predetermined intervals to an ACH Operator.

5. ACH Operators (two central clearing facilities: The Federal Reserve or The Clearing House) receive batches of ACH entries from the ODFI.

6. The ACH transactions are sorted




and made available by the ACH Operator to the Receiving Depository Financial Institution (RDFI).

7. The Receiver’s account is debited or credited by the RDFI, according to the type of ACH entry. Individuals, businesses and other entities can all be Receivers.

8. Each ACH credit transaction settles in one to two business days, and each debit transaction settles in just one business day, as per the Rules.

Except in GS's case, step 6 isn't being completed.  (Hence the horizontal line above.)  The check is hitting the ACH system, being processed, and instead ends up with an R34 rejection.  Why does it get the R34 rejection, AKA "RDFI participation has been limited by a federal or state supervisor"...?  Because the Federal Reserve is not a checking bank.  Nobody can write a check against a Fed account, not even the financial institutions which actually utilize its services. It's a financial entity with associated codes and routing numbers, but not an RDFI.

In other words, the checks are bouncing before the account name\number are verified, or considered at all.  The recipient\originator's bank (the ODFI) basically just takes the provided checking account information on faith and passes it on blindly, because it's ACH that actually verifies these things.  But whenever it makes its way to ACH, ACH immediately nopes out because the transaction is self-evidently wrong on its face.  In the meantime, the originator's bank has probably gone ahead and provisionally credited their account with the money, under the presumption that the e-check would clear.  Hence, it looks for a day or two like the transaction went through, until it's returned.  

So that's it.  He's trying to write checks against a bank which is outside the standard everyday checking system, and it's bouncing the moment this hits a computer smart enough to spot the problem.

Time will tell.  It always does.
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10-24-2017, 11:28 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-24-2017, 11:33 AM by Cobrien.)
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RE: Secret Bank account is real!!!..received R34 reversal code!!!!
(10-24-2017, 08:19 AM)ScottK Wrote:  
(10-23-2017, 05:15 PM)Cobrien Wrote:  This is faulty logic ignorant of the reality of how banking works. People of the conspiracy type love to believe things are fixed against them and have a static world view. These people like to think a normal worldview is accepting victimization. Therefore by rejecting the normal world view they also believe they're rejecting victimization. The problem is the indirect affirmation they are victims and must fight endlessly against a system.

https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/blog/2017/08/no-secret-bank-accounts-pay-your-bills

Ultimately, these people will find it necessary to reconsider themselves in relation to the societal self and others to effectively cause change. This is not an easy task. It is much easier to claim total corruption and stagnation. When doing so doesn't change their personal lives they seek to use their fallacious logic. It won't work. There will be orange activation until the emotional complex is balanced to move towards polarized action.

You are using quite the broad brush to judge all those who see things differently than you.

We currently live in an era of corrupt government.  Just ask the people if you don't agree.

https://blogs.chapman.edu/wilkinson/2017/10/11/americas-top-fears-2017/

I personally think you are in full blown denial if you think our financial system is honest, for if corrupt individuals exist within government, wouldn't one think that the focus of their attention would be the financial system.

That said, the balanced spiritual approach to this problem, in my view, is to focus one's energy on creating a new system rather than fighting the old corrupt system or living in denial of corruption..  But that's just me Smile

It is simply not my intention to be judgmental. Your fallacious argument as to why the government is corrupt is not convincing. People who believe the government is corrupt obviously would affirm so if I asked them. To say I am in 'full blown denial' is a character attack, btw. In your defense you did make a concession. The machinations of the world for the Alt movement get grossly simplified to fit into their world view. In general as you seem to agree, there is a loose usurperous attitude of avoidance instead of actual conversations on how the system can be reformed. People of the 'New Age' shoot of the Alt movement believe in change by non-participation, which won't work.

What is not appreciated anymore is every social-economical change was won to the fluffy-spiritual people. On the other hand activists are not willing to listen to opposing views and push theirs by identity politics. 

The problem is having the conversation to create a coherent and organized platform to fight for. I see the seeds of this. Yet I am not concerned or passionate. 

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10-24-2017, 01:49 PM,
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RE: Secret Bank account is real!!!..received R34 reversal code!!!!
(10-24-2017, 10:29 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote:  (*mutter*) Why am I still talking about this?

Ok, regarding the R34 rejection code thing.  I took a few minutes to look into how the ACH system works, and this actually does have a simple explanation.  Because all electronic bank transfers go through the National Automated Clearing House Association.  According to their own page on how this all works:





Quote:1. An Originator– whether that’s an individual, a corporation or another entity– initiates either a Direct Deposit or Direct Payment transaction using the ACH Network.  

(One key note:  The Originator in our case is the receiving party, not the check-writer. -APW)

2. Instead of using paper checks, ACH entries are entered and transmitted electronically, making transactions quicker, safer and easier.

3. The Originating Depository Financial institution (ODFI) enters the ACH entry at the request of the Originator.

4.  The ODFI aggregates payments from customers and transmits them in batches at regular, predetermined intervals to an ACH Operator.

5. ACH Operators (two central clearing facilities: The Federal Reserve or The Clearing House) receive batches of ACH entries from the ODFI.

6. The ACH transactions are sorted








and made available by the ACH Operator to the Receiving Depository Financial Institution (RDFI).

7. The Receiver’s account is debited or credited by the RDFI, according to the type of ACH entry. Individuals, businesses and other entities can all be Receivers.

8. Each ACH credit transaction settles in one to two business days, and each debit transaction settles in just one business day, as per the Rules.

Except in GS's case, step 6 isn't being completed.  (Hence the horizontal line above.)  The check is hitting the ACH system, being processed, and instead ends up with an R34 rejection.  Why does it get the R34 rejection, AKA "RDFI participation has been limited by a federal or state supervisor"...?  Because the Federal Reserve is not a checking bank.  Nobody can write a check against a Fed account, not even the financial institutions which actually utilize its services.  It's a financial entity with associated codes and routing numbers, but not an RDFI.

In other words, the checks are bouncing before the account name\number are verified, or considered at all.  The recipient\originator's bank (the ODFI) basically just takes the provided checking account information on faith and passes it on blindly, because it's ACH that actually verifies these things.  But whenever it makes its way to ACH, ACH immediately nopes out because the transaction is self-evidently wrong on its face.  In the meantime, the originator's bank has probably gone ahead and provisionally credited their account with the money, under the presumption that the e-check would clear.  Hence, it looks for a day or two like the transaction went through, until it's returned.  

So that's it.  He's trying to write checks against a bank which is outside the standard everyday checking system, and it's bouncing the moment this hits a computer smart enough to spot the problem.

Please tell me you're a teacher because you did an excellent job in explaining that all out for me~

I actually did not know that the Federal Reserve wasn't in and of itself a bank.

I think this is why I'm not an activist openly against most things.  I just don't know enough to know if it's really the right thing to do usually.  Like imagine if I were to protest the Federal Reserve then tell someone it pumps out fake money, and they just look at me and say it's not a checking bank.

This has been a very enlightening moment for me...  Thank you APW.
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10-24-2017, 02:55 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-25-2017, 01:06 AM by APeacefulWarrior.)
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RE: Secret Bank account is real!!!..received R34 reversal code!!!!
Well, the Federal Reserve does a whole bunch of things. It is, in part, a bank for private-sector banks and for the government, so it's possible for them to draw upon accounts at the Fed. However, those entities would not be sending checks through the standard ACH system as their way of doing so. We're talking transactions in the billions or trillions here.

Time will tell.  It always does.
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10-30-2017, 01:07 AM,
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RE: Secret Bank account is real!!!..received R34 reversal code!!!!
(10-24-2017, 02:55 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote:  Well, the Federal Reserve does a whole bunch of things.  It is, in part, a bank for private-sector banks and for the government, so it's possible for them to draw upon accounts at the Fed.  However, those entities would not be sending checks through the standard ACH system as their way of doing so.  We're talking transactions in the billions or trillions here.
I didn't use a Fed Reserve routing number. I used the Bureau of the Public debt.

R34 means you have an account. You just have Limited Participation. If it didn't exist I would've receive R02 or R03.

The end Goodnight.

I think I found a routing # that works for my needs
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10-30-2017, 10:35 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-30-2017, 10:54 AM by APeacefulWarrior.)
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RE: Secret Bank account is real!!!..received R34 reversal code!!!!
R34 does NOT necessarily mean an account is or is not there, because it can apply to either an account OR an entire financial entity. And if the bank being routed to\from is not part of the checking system, R34 would indicate that fact. I mean, come on. The Bureau Of Public Debt?? You seriously think you -or anyone- can write checks against it?

Just because something is a financial entity, that does not mean it's a checking bank. If ACH doesn't recognize it as valid, the charges will not go through. And the longer you keep writing bad checks, the greater the chance you're going to get in real trouble over this.

(Not to mention all the people whose time and money you're wasting by sending them those bad checks...)

Time will tell.  It always does.
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10-31-2017, 12:55 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-31-2017, 09:54 PM by Dekalb_Blues.)
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IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORATANT TO OVER-STAND!!!
UP THE CABAL!!!

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The inside scoop from 'way uptown NYC:





From the above vid:

THE TRUST ACCOUNTS

This will make the "I want something for Nothing" crowd very happy!

The Birth Certificate and Social Security Trust accounts "DO EXIST."

You are given the birth certificates and security cards to "USE" not
CONTROL. Until you learn how to control them.
And with "USE" comes liabilities, benefits and privileges.

GOING TO JAIL IS A BENEFIT, PRIVILEGE and LIABILITY attached to the Birth
Certificate and Social Security Card via adhesion contracts/statutes.

So... when you "MIS-USE" the Social Security account number along with the
routing number from a Federal Reserve Bank WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION OR
CONTROL... you go to jail as the woman did in Washington D.C. And it is also why
the deaf, dumb and BLIND experi-'mental' schiste-entist [sic] on youtube leading the
blind, had his and all of those BLIND sheep who followed him had their, [sic]
ACH/EFT/Payment transactions REVERSED and hit with FEES. Some had there [sic]
accounts closed as well.

You must take CONTROL of the Accounts by perfecting your Security Interest via
a UCC-1 Financing Statement. You must have a Security Agreement in place to
file a UCC-1.

THE TRUST ACCOUNTS CONT....

In order to TAKE CONTROL and properly Access the Trust Accounts 

YOU MUST:
State a Claim upon which relief can be granted,
a Security Interest in the STRAWMAN/WOMAN and ALL
Accounts associated therewith.

Otherwise you will "FAIL" to State a Claim Upon which relief can be granted and
will forever be considered a DEBT SLAVE WARD OF THE STATE TOO
INCOMPETENT TO HANDLE HIS/HER OWN AFFAIRS. HENCE NEEDING AN
ATTORNEY.

You perfect your Security Interest on a UCC-1 wherein you lien the DEBTOR ALL
CAPS TRADE-NAME, COPYRIGHT THE NAME and CONTROL THE NAME AND ALL
ACCOUNTS CREATED SINCE ITS INCEPTION/BIRTH.

SECURED PARTY CREDITOR 'PRIVATE' BANKER

IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORATANT [sic] TO OVER-STAND [sic] THAT YOU CANNOT
STATE A CLAIM UPON WHICH RELIEF CAN BE GRANTED ON THE BIRTH
CERTIFICATE & SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST ACCOUNTS... IF YOU HAVE
ZERO STANDING TO STATE A CLAIM UPON.

WHEN YOU BECOME SECURED PARTY CREDITOR 'PRIVATE' BANKER
YOU "NOW" HAVE STANDING AND STATUS AS A CREDITOR AND NO
LONGER OPERATE IN COMMERCE AS A DEBTOR SLAVE.

NOW AND ONLY NOW, CAN YOU STATE THE 'SUPERIOR CLAIM' UPON
THE BIRTH CERTIFIATE [sic] AND SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST ACCOUNTS


http://www.subgenius.com/pam1/pamphlet_p8.html

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This would seem to be a good outline of one tenet of the underlying belief system being entertained here:




Meanwhile:


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