The Law of Responsibility
01-01-2018, 04:21 PM,
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RE: The Law of Responsibility
(01-01-2018, 08:46 AM)unity100 Wrote:  Next stage never materializing before current stage is properly fulfilled would mean that any non seeking person would experience difficulties in his/her life as it is now, leave aside an adept. Law of Responsibility is about the next stage, as it is about the current stage. What the entity is aware of now, must be reflected in its actions here and now.

Beyond that adepts and serious seekers the next stage is important. They are here also to accelerate their spiritual progress. Leaving aside that a wanderer of higher densities could never be content with existing in the status quo without seeking its original vibration.

That does not describe how things have gone for me over the years.  It's not been an ad seriatum advancement.  Most often I've been tossed back again and again into the same territory (organized around themes such as green ray activation), only my conscious perspective (and ability to participate) has broadened slightly each time.  As the perspective broadens, elements on many vertical levels can mature or unfold simultaneously because the greater the balance in my heart, the more effectively the pre-existing higher level activations can be supported.  Therefore, the stage I am in currently (just to specify an example) is pretty darned close to where I was in the previous cycle awhile back and pretty close the where I'll be in the next one.  What seems to develope over time is my ability to encompass and balance it consciously.  Although one could view it as a linear progression, it feels more like adding rings of growth, like a tree, except that the next stages are here already, all wiggling next to all the others, invisible to me, but simply further reaches of the by-now-apparent design.

No doubt there are larger scale stages of growth beyond this, but on the scale of this particular incarnation, this is how it's been thus far...more or less.

peregine Wrote:I would surmise that, if one were not implicating orange and yellow ray concerns in the matter, and this energy was free to rise upwards to the green and blue zones, that a very important aspect of the Law of Responsibility would appear to be the inter-relationships of all entities and other constructs.  At that point, one would desire to be responsible to the fullest extent, not for personal advancement--in an orange/yellow sense--but because extending the fullest measure of Love to all of Creation would be felt by all aspects of self due to those inter-relationships whereby All are Self and Self is All.

What do you suppose?

unity100 Wrote:Its not as simple as it sounds.

The phenomenon of energy flowing up from bottom is what creates entire existence including this planet, society, all the issues, joys, behavior patterns and related blockages and hurdles.

Each energy carry a metaphysical meaning. The green energy wont flow upward without its awareness being incorporated into life, blue energy wont flow upward until its equivalent behavior is fulfilled, and so on. Existence is energetic as it is metaphysical.


Yes, that was my point.  If the energy is not being heavily expended at orange and yellow levels and there is an interest in allowing it to vivify the green, then one's perspective on the inter-relatedness of all things becomes, not an abstract concept, but a moment-to-moment guiding principal in one's experience of Creation.  Perhaps.

 
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01-02-2018, 10:31 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-02-2018, 10:33 AM by Infinite Unity.)
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(01-01-2018, 04:21 PM)peregrine Wrote:  
(01-01-2018, 08:46 AM)unity100 Wrote:  Next stage never materializing before current stage is properly fulfilled would mean that any non seeking person would experience difficulties in his/her life as it is now, leave aside an adept. Law of Responsibility is about the next stage, as it is about the current stage. What the entity is aware of now, must be reflected in its actions here and now.

Beyond that adepts and serious seekers the next stage is important. They are here also to accelerate their spiritual progress. Leaving aside that a wanderer of higher densities could never be content with existing in the status quo without seeking its original vibration.

That does not describe how things have gone for me over the years.  It's not been an ad seriatum advancement.  Most often I've been tossed back again and again into the same territory (organized around themes such as green ray activation), only my conscious perspective (and ability to participate) has broadened slightly each time.  As the perspective broadens, elements on many vertical levels can mature or unfold simultaneously because the greater the balance in my heart, the more effectively the pre-existing higher level activations can be supported.  Therefore, the stage I am in currently (just to specify an example) is pretty darned close to where I was in the previous cycle awhile back and pretty close the where I'll be in the next one.  What seems to develope over time is my ability to encompass and balance it consciously.  Although one could view it as a linear progression, it feels more like adding rings of growth, like a tree, except that the next stages are here already, all wiggling next to all the others, invisible to me, but simply further reaches of the by-now-apparent design.

No doubt there are larger scale stages of growth beyond this, but on the scale of this particular incarnation, this is how it's been thus far...more or less.


peregine Wrote:I would surmise that, if one were not implicating orange and yellow ray concerns in the matter, and this energy was free to rise upwards to the green and blue zones, that a very important aspect of the Law of Responsibility would appear to be the inter-relationships of all entities and other constructs.  At that point, one would desire to be responsible to the fullest extent, not for personal advancement--in an orange/yellow sense--but because extending the fullest measure of Love to all of Creation would be felt by all aspects of self due to those inter-relationships whereby All are Self and Self is All.

What do you suppose?

unity100 Wrote:Its not as simple as it sounds.

The phenomenon of energy flowing up from bottom is what creates entire existence including this planet, society, all the issues, joys, behavior patterns and related blockages and hurdles.

Each energy carry a metaphysical meaning. The green energy wont flow upward without its awareness being incorporated into life, blue energy wont flow upward until its equivalent behavior is fulfilled, and so on. Existence is energetic as it is metaphysical.


Yes, that was my point.  If the energy is not being heavily expended at orange and yellow levels and there is an interest in allowing it to vivify the green, then one's perspective on the inter-relatedness of all things becomes, not an abstract concept, but a moment-to-moment guiding principal in one's experience of Creation.  Perhaps.

 

I would agree that much the same has been my experience of growth.

However I personally would agree with unity100 in that, it would be the natural progression of a 3rd density native, to really move up in the sequential manner. Not to say they are lower, just that, that is where they are as a being. I believe this has to do with potential/activation being similar in function but quiet different between systems/entities, and there relative position/level of being. In that you cannot just say someone is potentially activated in a certain ray. Its far to gross for such a subtle thing. The same goes with activation, not all are activated or balanced in the same way. Nor is it designed to be. So I'm basically saying a wanderer has certain rays pre-potentially activated, in that they have experiences/catalyst that randomly/designed to occur to cause the activation of the ray, in that moment, with no prior build up or sequential movement through the rays. Now such an activation is most assuredly to have some kind of retrograde type effect on the energy system, and life experience. Or Transformation.
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01-05-2018, 02:40 AM,
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01-08-2018, 08:00 PM,
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(01-01-2018, 04:21 PM)peregrine Wrote:  That does not describe how things have gone for me over the years.  It's not been an ad seriatum advancement.  Most often I've been tossed back again and again into the same territory (organized around themes such as green ray activation), only my conscious perspective (and ability to participate) has broadened slightly each time.  As the perspective broadens, elements on many vertical levels can mature or unfold simultaneously because the greater the balance in my heart, the more effectively the pre-existing higher level activations can be supported.  Therefore, the stage I am in currently (just to specify an example) is pretty darned close to where I was in the previous cycle awhile back and pretty close the where I'll be in the next one.  What seems to develope over time is my ability to encompass and balance it consciously.  Although one could view it as a linear progression, it feels more like adding rings of growth, like a tree, except that the next stages are here already, all wiggling next to all the others, invisible to me, but simply further reaches of the by-now-apparent design.

No doubt there are larger scale stages of growth beyond this, but on the scale of this particular incarnation, this is how it's been thus far...more or less.

Going back and forth would simply mean that the lessons were not properly learned and their meanings manifested. OR, alternatively, the walk forward was rushed. Which then, in itself, would become another lesson - not to rush.

Then again, varying in between this and that imbalanced states and learning to balance things is a lesson in itself.

As always, spiritual pathways and progress are complicated and specific to each person.

However law of responsibility always in effect.

Quote:Yes, that was my point.  If the energy is not being heavily expended at orange and yellow levels and there is an interest in allowing it to vivify the green, then one's perspective on the inter-relatedness of all things becomes, not an abstract concept, but a moment-to-moment guiding principal in one's experience of Creation.  Perhaps.

Each energy is a valid, fundamental part of nature and they must be learned and manifested properly. the purpose of orange, yellow, is not to raise to green and vivify it. the purpose of orange and yellow are to manifest exact nature of these energies, and even when vibrating in green, the meanings of these energies will still be present in the now active green ray. and so on.

each stage of existence must be acknowledged and manifested properly and fully.
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01-08-2018, 11:49 PM,
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(01-08-2018, 08:00 PM)unity100 Wrote:  
(01-01-2018, 04:21 PM)peregrine Wrote:  That does not describe how things have gone for me over the years.  It's not been an ad seriatum advancement.  Most often I've been tossed back again and again into the same territory (organized around themes such as green ray activation), only my conscious perspective (and ability to participate) has broadened slightly each time.  As the perspective broadens, elements on many vertical levels can mature or unfold simultaneously because the greater the balance in my heart, the more effectively the pre-existing higher level activations can be supported.  Therefore, the stage I am in currently (just to specify an example) is pretty darned close to where I was in the previous cycle awhile back and pretty close the where I'll be in the next one.  What seems to develope over time is my ability to encompass and balance it consciously.  Although one could view it as a linear progression, it feels more like adding rings of growth, like a tree, except that the next stages are here already, all wiggling next to all the others, invisible to me, but simply further reaches of the by-now-apparent design.

No doubt there are larger scale stages of growth beyond this, but on the scale of this particular incarnation, this is how it's been thus far...more or less.

Going back and forth would simply mean that the lessons were not properly learned and their meanings manifested. OR, alternatively, the walk forward was rushed. Which then, in itself, would become another lesson - not to rush.

Then again, varying in between this and that imbalanced states and learning to balance things is a lesson in itself.

As always, spiritual pathways and progress are complicated and specific to each person.

However law of responsibility always in effect.


Quote:Yes, that was my point.  If the energy is not being heavily expended at orange and yellow levels and there is an interest in allowing it to vivify the green, then one's perspective on the inter-relatedness of all things becomes, not an abstract concept, but a moment-to-moment guiding principal in one's experience of Creation.  Perhaps.

Each energy is a valid, fundamental part of nature and they must be learned and manifested properly. the purpose of orange, yellow, is not to raise to green and vivify it. the purpose of orange and yellow are to manifest exact nature of these energies, and even when vibrating in green, the meanings of these energies will still be present in the now active green ray. and so on.

each stage of existence must be acknowledged and manifested properly and fully.

I agree, activating green does not de-activate lower chakras. Those energies are still apart of the marmalade, and it is wonderful. Trust me, when those lower rays are balanced and flowing. You will love them, and want more.
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01-10-2018, 06:04 AM,
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(01-08-2018, 11:49 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote:  
(01-08-2018, 08:00 PM)unity100 Wrote:  Each energy is a valid, fundamental part of nature and they must be learned and manifested properly. the purpose of orange, yellow, is not to raise to green and vivify it. the purpose of orange and yellow are to manifest exact nature of these energies, and even when vibrating in green, the meanings of these energies will still be present in the now active green ray. and so on.

each stage of existence must be acknowledged and manifested properly and fully.

I agree, activating green does not de-activate lower chakras. Those energies are still apart of the marmalade, and it is wonderful. Trust me, when those lower rays are balanced and flowing. You will love them, and want more.


Well, yes, but it seems to moi that you are leaving out of the discussion a most important element.  Consider the following.


ALTERNATIVE A
You are in your local market buying food for yourself and your family.  Because your mental attention and energetic structure are mainly focused there, the people around you--shopping, stocking shelves, etc.--are viewed primarily as either helpers or hindrances in your task at hand.

ALTERNATIVE B
You are in your local market buying food for yourself and your family.  While doing this you are enjoying watching the interactions of workers and management and of shoppers, etc.  You make a point of viewing people around you as social collaborators.  You look them in the eye and speak freely to them here and there about things beyond your immediate task.

ALTERNATIVE C
You are in your local market buying food for yourself and your family.   Besides enjoying the above, you are also well aware that we are all traveling together on this tiny spaceship planet, all on the spiritual path of discovering our own selves.  When you interact with people, you purposely afford them as much kindness as possible, knowing the difficulty of the path of spiritual discovery.  You look them in the eye with a sense of unity and compassion and contentedness.


The thing left unrecognized so far, I would aver, is the magnificent way that the kaleidoscopic view of the moment at hand increases in dimensionality as lower energy centers build a platform leading upwards.


Having said that--and now swinging back to the focus of this thread--if you accept the above as a reasonable description of our choices, then do we not have an inherent responsibility to live as much as we can in the space of the fullest self we know?

 
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01-10-2018, 07:07 PM,
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(01-10-2018, 06:04 AM)peregrine Wrote:  Well, yes, but it seems to moi that you are leaving out of the discussion a most important element.  Consider the following.

ALTERNATIVE A
You are in your local market buying food for yourself and your family.  Because your mental attention and energetic structure are mainly focused there, the people around you--shopping, stocking shelves, etc.--are viewed primarily as either helpers or hindrances in your task at hand.

That would describe a negative viewpoint of yellow.

Quote:ALTERNATIVE B
You are in your local market buying food for yourself and your family.  While doing this you are enjoying watching the interactions of workers and management and of shoppers, etc.  You make a point of viewing people around you as social collaborators.  You look them in the eye and speak freely to them here and there about things beyond your immediate task.

That would describe a viewpoint of yellow more properly aligned with a positive viewpoint.

Quote:ALTERNATIVE C
You are in your local market buying food for yourself and your family.   Besides enjoying the above, you are also well aware that we are all traveling together on this tiny spaceship planet, all on the spiritual path of discovering our own selves.  When you interact with people, you purposely afford them as much kindness as possible, knowing the difficulty of the path of spiritual discovery.  You look them in the eye with a sense of unity and compassion and contentedness.

That would describe a viewpoint and an energy considerably higher than green vibration, it would at least be blue. And more so, possibly indigo.

Quote:Having said that--and now swinging back to the focus of this thread--if you accept the above as a reasonable description of our choices, then do we not have an inherent responsibility to live as much as we can in the space of the fullest self we know?

No...

The purpose of each spirit is to follow its own, intricate path. This path may go through many points, for any duration, for any purpose.

The path of the spirit is mysterious.
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01-10-2018, 10:26 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-11-2018, 01:28 AM by peregrine.)
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(01-10-2018, 07:07 PM)unity100 Wrote:  That would describe a negative viewpoint of yellow.


I suppose you could call it that if you want to be judgemental about it.  I think of it as simply ignoring yellow and focusing on orange/red.  I'm often this way when driving. For me, this illustrates well how the illusion offers itself as a limited, abstracted frame of reference when one is not interested in a more expanded modality of being.


unity100 Wrote:That would describe a viewpoint of yellow more properly aligned with a positive viewpoint.

Agreed.


unity100 Wrote:That would describe a viewpoint and an energy considerably higher than green vibration, it would at least be blue. And more so, possibly indigo.


Are you speaking here from experience or from theory?  I have been in this state without a whole lot of activation north of the green zone.  It's quite pleasant.


unity100 Wrote:No...

The purpose of each spirit is to follow its own, intricate path. This path may go through many points, for any duration, for any purpose.

The path of the spirit is mysterious.

I'm not denying anything its own path, I'm asking if there isn't a moral imperative to live as fully activated as one knows how?  In this case right now, that might mean my replying to you with as much love as I know how.  Or should one leave these things to chance and not think so much about them?  The Law of Responsibility indicates that one will suffer the effects of entropy if the difference between what one believes/knows and how one acts grows too great, no?  Or maybe I'm just advocating over achievement?


PS: I'm intentionally over-thinking this, hoping to prompt dialogue.
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01-11-2018, 01:51 AM,
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Peregrine Wrote:I'm not denying anything its own path, I'm asking if there isn't a moral imperative to live as fully activated as one knows how?

I don't think there is a moral imperative at all: that's what free will is.

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01-11-2018, 03:35 AM,
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(01-11-2018, 01:51 AM)rva_jeremy Wrote:  
Peregrine Wrote:I'm not denying anything its own path, I'm asking if there isn't a moral imperative to live as fully activated as one knows how?

I don't think there is a moral imperative at all: that's what free will is.


I suppose that is, indeed, true as a general matter. Yet, on another level--and maybe this is my artistic bias pushing this, but--if one regards this vague construct considered to be self as an instrument of service to the Infinite, then is there not an implied imperative--which one may choose to accept or reject--to become as expansive an instrument as possible along the lines of the shopping example?

One response to this is, "Sure, if you want to do that, go right ahead."  I guess I'm just wondering why this bias is not more pervasive and supported.  What am I missing?

 
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01-11-2018, 05:06 AM,
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(01-11-2018, 03:35 AM)peregrine Wrote:  
(01-11-2018, 01:51 AM)rva_jeremy Wrote:  
Peregrine Wrote:I'm not denying anything its own path, I'm asking if there isn't a moral imperative to live as fully activated as one knows how?

I don't think there is a moral imperative at all: that's what free will is.


I suppose that is, indeed, true as a general matter. Yet, on another level--and maybe this is my artistic bias pushing this, but--if one regards this vague construct considered to be self as an instrument of service to the Infinite, then is there not an implied imperative--which one may choose to accept or reject--to become as expansive an instrument as possible along the lines of the shopping example?

One response to this is, "Sure, if you want to do that, go right ahead."  I guess I'm just wondering why this bias is not more pervasive and supported.  What am I missing?

I think it's just that the western take on eastern philosophy tends to drift towards an attitude of "It's all good man, you just do whatever you want". Not that this isn't partly correct, but to know the potentially dire consequences of failing to love, of failing to serve, and then to fail to love and serve to your greatest ability, is indeed a failing of high order. If you can't claim ignorance, then it's as simple as that. An interesting point to consider is that if you teach someone about the laws and their consequences, especially against their free will, and they believe you wholeheartedly, have you not just placed a massive burden on them? Maybe some would say you have liberated them, or at least given them the opportunity to liberate themselves by teaching them so. What are your takes on this one?
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01-11-2018, 12:37 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-11-2018, 12:41 PM by Diana.)
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(01-11-2018, 01:51 AM)rva_jeremy Wrote:  
Peregrine Wrote:I'm not denying anything its own path, I'm asking if there isn't a moral imperative to live as fully activated as one knows how?

I don't think there is a moral imperative at all: that's what free will is.

From my perspective, I think the word "moral" is obscuring this concept. The idea of morality is a human-based judgment dependent upon the modality of the time. A "moral imperative," while in my mind is very close to the truth, misses the mark. The way I see it is that there is an underlying force in this universe that compels life to evolve. This manifests in humans (to simplify and address aspects other than physical evolution) as a desire to better one's self. There is no human that does not experience this in one way or another. In addition, "moral imperative" assumes one knows what is "right." Now we have two concepts which are based on judgment.

The idea of stagnation (stagnant waters becoming toxic), and complicating this, the resistance to forward movement which seems to a be tendency of this existence, is what in my view creates conflict in one's self. For example, if one becomes aware of empathy and the heart opens because of this, to then deny this knowledge because it's painful or just too much responsibility goes against this natural tendency to evolve; it denies what the self knows "is." 

So responsibility then is a claiming of awareness, an acceptance of what one has become aware of. And I will take this further because I for one feel the urge to strive always to reach potential (which evolves like everything else as we reach for it), and as peregrine put it: 

Quote:...do we not have an inherent responsibility to live as much as we can in the space of the fullest self we know?

I think we do. It has to do with awareness. If any part of our conscious awareness is denied, then we are not living up to our potential, and this creates a conflict within self, which takes energy to suppress, energy to seek validation for, and energy seeking to find others who agree with the stance of denying the awareness.

What sometimes gets in the way of the idea of being of service to others is focusing on others. Though this seems paradoxical or counterintuitive, I think this idea is really to focus on self, in that we reach for and accept our highest potential awareness at any given point, whether one tends toward STO or STS, and this is all that is needed. Because if one tends toward STO or STS all one's actions/thoughts/desires will flow from that, and be rooted in the underlying awareness of who one is with no denying, justifying, validation, or need to understand why. 

Taking responsibility for self, being accountable to self, is a complex endeavor in this world, because there are so many things—the veil, mass consciousness, belief systems, separation from nature, etc.—muddying the waters. However, we all "know" when something doesn't fit with our awareness, because we get a little twinge inside (assuming we aren't talking about being totally asleep and closed off). As an example, there have been many replies on these forums I did not post because I felt that twinge at a certain point when writing them. I don't analyze why I get the twinge because that is mind stuff (that I have found just usually wastes time), I just follow the prompt. In this way, I acknowledge my "knowing" (sorry for the new agey term), my resonsibility, and my accountability to my highest potential at that moment.
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01-11-2018, 06:58 PM,
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My interpretation of The Law of Responsibility is simple, and dovetails with what Peregrine said about the impersonal perception of catalyst. My interpretation of everything that I put my conscious attention to is my responsibility. The feelings that spontaneously arise from my interpretations of external stimuli are indicating to me which energy centre I am currently vibrating at.

In other words, lets say I am vibrating at orange ray and somebody refutes my opinion during a discussion. I would most probably perceive that as an attack and subsequently adopt a victim strategy. If I was vibrating at yellow ray I would most likely do some further research so I can improve upon my strategy. If I was vibrating at green I maybe concerned as to why somebody desired to prove my opinion as wrong. (after all, my intention was to meet my need for community, not to convince anyone of anything). And if I was vibrating at blue ray I would likely be focused on what the individual refuting my opinion was needing in that moment (perhaps my empathy to meet their need for acceptance?).

As for Ra quote's that relate to transformations of the mind, that's a whole different ball park in my world, a mental transformation is equal to enlightenment, and that's unteachable. And sometimes it requires a great leap of faith in order to move to another place. 

To recap, we all experience the same feelings and we all share the same needs. Ra said "All things, all of life, all of the creation is part of one original thought."

So when I feel shitty, alone, misunderstood, tired, angry, patriarchal, helpless, I can draw on this quote and stick my middle finger up at the origin of "all things". But then I have to ask myself, What are these feelings pointing to, and who is around me to help me see what I am pointing at?

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