Can 3rd D Science measure 4th D DNA
01-08-2018, 01:26 PM,
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Can 3rd D Science measure 4th D DNA
Greetings sisters and brothers, 

Something that's been on my mind for a while is whether or not contemporary Human geneticists would be able to measure / see the extra strands of DNA in a Dual-Activated or fully 4th Density Human individual?

Are those extra strands of DNA perceivable to a 3rd Density observer?

I know very little of genetics and would appreciate your thoughts.

L & L

Jim
  
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01-08-2018, 09:27 PM,
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Good question.  Assuming the 4D bits are active and aware pethaps they can hide themselves.  4D is able to be invisible to 3D eyes, but I don't know if that means genes themselves can hide themselves.  If they're 3 and 4D then maybe they're viewable but not distinguishable from 3D dna?
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01-09-2018, 10:00 AM,
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the only way I can think of to be sure is to locate a dual activated entity and sample its dna , no?
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01-10-2018, 04:23 AM,
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(01-09-2018, 10:00 AM)Ra1111 Wrote:  the only way I can think of to be sure is to locate a dual activated entity and sample its dna , no?

Hi Ra1111, 

I agree that we would need to test a dual-activated individual to see if the extra DNA is measurable...

However, I consider that finding such an individual would be far easier than convincing geneticists that a new breed of Human is evolving from the old one...

"Excuse me mister geneticist, I represent a distinct evolution of a new type of Human being, please test my DNA and prove it to the world"

Perhaps I'm being pessimistic about how open minded contemporary Human geneticists would be in such a scenario, but even if we could overcome that difficulty and find a willing scientist, this would bring up an even bigger problem...

If you proved to the world that you are a new branch of humanity, there's a good chance you'd end up becoming a lab-experiment for the rest of your incarnation.  

L & L

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01-10-2018, 10:52 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-10-2018, 11:06 AM by Ra1111.)
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Hi Jim thanks for the reply ,

I have read your thoughts in the past, but it seems clearer to me now your inquiry. Is it in fact that you want someone to test YOUR dna in order to prove or disprove your dual active body nature?

In which case I completely understand your hesitation.... I told a doctor that I wanted continuous aids tests to measure my T cell count every so often after performing “bleach enemas” and of course he said no and tried to induce shame and embarrassment!! Haha... so I did it myself . Have you looked into private lab tests?? That’s what I do now, they’re very easy once you learn how to obtain doctors orders.

And to elaborate... I’m sure even if you found the correct kind of test, deciphering the results would be difficult for someone who is not trained in genetics, but if you needed a “normal” 3D sample to do your own private comparison I would be willing to give you some blood for the cause !
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01-10-2018, 11:39 AM,
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Scientists are aware of what they term "junk DNA," which is noncoding and nonfunctioning DNA (according to the science of biology). This junk DNA constitutes an estimated whopping 75% of total genetic material.

Presumably, DNA would be observably changed as more "junk" portions are encoded and this would show up as properly functioning DNA encoding protein sequences. This should be observable in testing, though there may be new ways in which the unused DNA will be encoded, and science will have to widen their definitionns of observation.

Also, genes turn on and off in response to external stimuli. As an example, a fetus in the womb may receive signals that the environment is hostile, if the mother is in a war zone or experiencing famine. Therefore certain genes turn on or off accordingly in the fetus, preparing to meet that environment with the best survivability.

So as the need arises, or the opportunity, we may be turning the junk DNA on as we become more aware, awake, and functional as a being beyond mere basic survival, as we access the possibilities of functioning beyond the belief systems ingrained here in 3D. 
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01-10-2018, 11:43 AM,
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(01-10-2018, 11:39 AM)Diana Wrote:  Scientists are aware of what they term "junk DNA," which is noncoding and nonfunctioning DNA (according to the science of biology). This junk DNA constitutes an estimated whopping 75% of total genetic material.

Presumably, DNA would be observably changed as more "junk" portions are encoded and this would show up as properly functioning DNA encoding protein sequences. This should be observable in testing, though there may be new ways in which the unused DNA will be encoded, and science will have to widen their definitionns of observation.

Also, genes turn on and off in response to external stimuli. As an example, a fetus in the womb may receive signals that the environment is hostile, if the mother is in a war zone or experiencing famine. Therefore certain genes turn on or off accordingly in the fetus, preparing to meet that environment with the best survivability.

So as the need arises, or the opportunity, we may be turning the junk DNA on as we become more aware, awake, and functional as a being beyond mere basic survival, as we access the possibilities of functioning beyond the belief systems ingrained here in 3D. 

I like the possibility that “They” already know what some of that junk is and term it JUNK just to immediately give a connotation to those who wouldn’t think more of it! Conspiracy theory ?? :-p
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01-10-2018, 12:04 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-10-2018, 12:12 PM by Jim Kent +.)
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(01-10-2018, 10:52 AM)Ra1111 Wrote:  I have read your thoughts in the past, but it seems clearer to me now your inquiry. Is it in fact that you want someone to test YOUR dna in order to prove or disprove your dual active body nature?

Hello again, 

Whilst I am somewhat interested to know whether or not The Confederation's claim that some part of Humanity has and is becoming dual-activated, ( and on a more personal level, whether Q'uo's claim that I am "one of those" ) is true, in a physical sense, due to my personal bias towards all things Spiritual, my focus is more towards whether or not my Souls have graduated in this incarnation and therefore will have the opportunity to return to our native density immediately following this incarnation.

Having said that, most of the time I'm happy to take all this on faith as I trust those of L/L.

Perhaps I'd be far more interested in personally knowing if I've become dual-activated if I wanted children, but i don't and therefore it's of little import to me. 

Also, with a 17 year old diagnosis of life-long psychosis, I assume I'd find it difficult to find a specialist geneticist to investigate these claims in a formal scientific manner, not to mention the aforementioned hazards to anyone's liberty who went public with such evidence.  
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01-10-2018, 12:12 PM,
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About not wanting children , that was one thought I had before you posted it.... being to ask you your thoughts on that, since “giving birth” to the next gen of our vehicles is the supposed responsibility of dual activated beings, thank you for chatting with me, your POV is so unique
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01-10-2018, 12:26 PM,
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Also , as someone with a psychosis diagnosis or two myself, you are so correct about any kind of genetic “scientist” not being willing at all to assist.

If your souls are ready to return to their home density is the heart of your inquiry?

Is walking the steps of light at harvest required of all entities who die? Or not of wanderers? I don’t remember. But if it is the former, then I guess your real answer could never come until after you die.
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01-10-2018, 12:45 PM,
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(01-10-2018, 12:26 PM)Ra1111 Wrote:  Also , as someone with a psychosis diagnosis or two myself, you are so correct about any kind of genetic “scientist” not being willing at all to assist.

If your souls are ready to return to their home density is the heart of your inquiry?

Is walking the steps of light at harvest required of all entities who die? Or not of wanderers? I don’t remember. But if it is the former, then I guess your real answer could never come until after you die.

I alternate between looking forward to "going home" and wanting to "go home" if that makes sense.

When I'm just looking forward to "going home" I can, even at a lethargic pace, get constructive / creative positive things done.

But when I'm in a period of particularly strong desire to return "home", I struggle to serve at peak capacity.

It is my understanding that every single M / B / S complex that incarnates in to Gaia's 3rd Density is required to "walk the steps of light" upon passing, every Wanderer and native.

 As the Veil of Forgetting is a 3rd Density phenomenon, presumably any Wanderer that "makes it" out of 3rd would be able to remember their way to 4th, 5th or 6th.
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01-10-2018, 01:10 PM,
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I also go between those two feelings daily.

I find when I have the urge to go home is the best time to serve my self, with thoughts and ideas of what comes next

When I am enjoying the journey back is when I best serve others, by putting on my 3D face and being the best human I can be

A balance of both is what I strive for. Bring4th has helped me balance tremendously as being an outlet for both of those energies
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01-10-2018, 07:21 PM,
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(01-10-2018, 04:23 AM)Jim Kent + Wrote:  
(01-09-2018, 10:00 AM)Ra1111 Wrote:  the only way I can think of to be sure is to locate a dual activated entity and sample its dna , no?

Hi Ra1111, 

I agree that we would need to test a dual-activated individual to see if the extra DNA is measurable...

However, I consider that finding such an individual would be far easier than convincing geneticists that a new breed of Human is evolving from the old one...

"Excuse me mister geneticist, I represent a distinct evolution of a new type of Human being, please test my DNA and prove it to the world"

Perhaps I'm being pessimistic about how open minded contemporary Human geneticists would be in such a scenario, but even if we could overcome that difficulty and find a willing scientist, this would bring up an even bigger problem...

If you proved to the world that you are a new branch of humanity, there's a good chance you'd end up becoming a lab-experiment for the rest of your incarnation.  

L & L

Jim      

That kind of answered your own question, I think.



I am reminded of this quote.
Quote:8.11 Questioner: Wouldn’t this type of craft totally solve, or come close to solving, a lot of the energy problems as far as transport goes? That we’re used to transporting [inaudible]… transporting [inaudible].

Ra: I am Ra. The technology your peoples possess at this time is capable of resolving each and every limitation which plagues your social memory complex at this present nexus of experience. However, the concerns of some of your beings with distortions towards what you would call powerful energy cause these solutions to be withheld until the solutions are so needed that those with the distortion can then become further distorted in the direction of power.


Your belief is far more valuable.

"Everything comes from the sun"
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