01-11-2011, 01:48 AM
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01-11-2011, 10:30 AM
not where i live. various species. not just one.
01-11-2011, 10:42 AM
Thousands of fish reported dead in Chicago lake
01/11/11
By now, we should be absolutely sure about the fact, that something, perhaps even extraordinary, is going on. What could it be?
I had a thought, that it would have something to do with new energy coming here, and those animals, that couldn't handle green ray vibrations would die, but then again. 4d should be okay for 2d souls, so this could have something to do with sts or magnetic fields... Hard to tell.
01-11-2011, 01:12 PM
California joins dozens of other places in the mystery. This is close to where I live.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/11...07330.html (01-11-2011, 10:42 AM)Nabil Naser Wrote: Thousands of fish reported dead in Chicago lake
01-13-2011, 08:34 AM
This is too widespread to be HAARP. in some instances I believe it to be of 4 things:
HAARP (weather modification technology weaponized) Scalar Waves (using sound wave technology weaponized) Natural Pole Shifting (EArth changes that are natural to the shift that Gaia is experiencing) Aluminium Baride Poisioning (Chemtrails and actual poisioning of the water supply of the world) It is not just one things but at least 4 things that are creating this. My intution feels that this is an attempt to depolarize humanity. One person that I communicate with on a different list called the mass die offs an "elite temper tantrum." as the cause of the die-offs... fairyfarmgirl
01-13-2011, 11:48 AM
Spain: Two tones of fish (of the same species) have died in a river near the city of Valencia.
(01-13-2011, 11:48 AM)Light seeker Wrote: Spain: Two tones of fish (of the same species) have died in a river near the city of Valencia. What's really strange is that, in most of these cases, they are all the same species. How would something target just one species? Very interesting article, positing theories: http://www.naturalnews.com/030996_bird_d...shift.html Quote:The most likely explanation is that the birds were killed in-flight by changes in the composition of the air they were breathing. And as it turns out, Noctilucent clouds are largely made of a poisonous gas known as Hydrogen Cyanide.
01-13-2011, 07:20 PM
and how were the fish killed ?
01-13-2011, 10:33 PM
I noticed that there is too much emphasis on weapons as being the reason for the death of the fish and birds. This is not productive. It exposes a paranoia, that many people have.
A careful analysis of the number of incidences and their locations, gives very little probability that weapons of any kind are the source. The only thing that connects all the incidents of the birds and fish so far, is the magnetic field of the planet. We know for a fact that birds and fish are hard wired "read DNA", to use the magnetic field. The trauma described as possible cause for the death of birds could be from disorientation, and the birds colliding with each other, with the trees, and with the ground. Disorientation may be the cause of death of the birds and fish. Disoriented fish may remain in colder areas, where they are sure to die. The same can happen to birds. If we keep in mind that the fish and birds are connected directly, through their DNA, to the magnetic field, then we can see that changes in the field will definitely affect them. We know for a fact that the magnetic field of earth is changing. We have a proof with the airport in Tampa, Florida, changing the number designations of their runway.
01-13-2011, 10:36 PM
(01-13-2011, 10:33 PM)Nabil Naser Wrote: The only thing that connects all the incidents of the birds and fish so far, is the magnetic field of the planet.Amazingly untrue. One incident had internal bleeding as a cause of the mass bird deaths. Another had over consumption of discarded sunflower seeds as the cause.
01-13-2011, 11:33 PM
(01-13-2011, 11:16 PM)zenmaster Wrote: One incident had internal bleeding as a cause of the mass bird deaths. Another had over consumption of discarded sunflower seeds as the cause. The birds had internal bleeding, but the last report I read said they didn't know whether the bleeding caused the deaths, or occurred after the birds were already dead and hit the ground. When people don't have explanations, they tend to grasp at ideas, to attempt to explain it. That's the impression I got from the sunflower seeds. But I do agree with your larger point, that the incidents have differing circumstances and there isn't really a clear commonality among all of them.
01-13-2011, 11:43 PM
(01-13-2011, 11:33 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:It is merely an idea or is it a simple fact.(01-13-2011, 11:16 PM)zenmaster Wrote: One incident had internal bleeding as a cause of the mass bird deaths. Another had over consumption of discarded sunflower seeds as the cause. (01-13-2011, 11:33 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: But I do agree with your larger point, that the incidents have differing circumstances and there isn't really a clear commonality among all of them.What's almost more interesting is the lengths that people will go to to promote their conspiracy theories. Scary thought that these people are also voters that represent our opinions. I think it's safe to say that Linda Moulton Howe will not be the one to solve the problem. (01-13-2011, 11:43 PM)zenmaster Wrote: It is merely an idea or is it a simple fact. Definitely doesn't look like a simple fact, based on this article, which offers 2 possible explanations: Quote:'The most likely cause are discarded sunflower seeds that were found on an industrial estate close to where the bodies of the turtle doves were found. Indigestion or cold weather? The article is inconclusive, which indicates to me that...they don't know. (01-13-2011, 11:43 PM)zenmaster Wrote: What's almost more interesting is the lengths that people will go to to promote their conspiracy theories. Scary thought that these people are also voters that represent our opinions. Formulating theories is a healthy part of the scientific investigative process. It only becomes unhealthy when theories are presented as facts, before they are actually proven as facts. The animal death phenomenon is, at this point, still a mystery. It's therefore fair game for anyone's guesses.
01-14-2011, 03:39 AM
Talk is cheap
It is a fact that the only thing so far that connects all these creatures is the magnetic field. To say, Amazingly untrue, is a wrong statement. I didn't say that the magnetic field is the cause. I merely stated that the magnetic field is the only common factor between all the birds and fish. (01-13-2011, 11:16 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(01-13-2011, 10:33 PM)Nabil Naser Wrote: The only thing that connects all the incidents of the birds and fish so far, is the magnetic field of the planet.Amazingly untrue. One incident had internal bleeding as a cause of the mass bird deaths. Another had over consumption of discarded sunflower seeds as the cause. (01-13-2011, 11:43 PM)zenmaster Wrote: It is merely an idea or is it a simple fact. now, see, when there is a small patch of smoke somewhere, one can say someone is camping. when you see another patch of smoke somewhere, one can say that someone had fired up the house stove. when you see a lot of smokes rising up everywhere and sky darkening from smoke, one should understand that there is a fire. i see it as like this : so, 8 k turtle doves fell dead in italy, and, cold was very probably responsible ? hypothermia ? lack of oxygen ? why ? because it was too cold ? planet goes through a lot of hard winters every now and then. and hard summers too. yet, tens of thousands of birds havent been consistently dropping off of the sky everywhere up till this year. so, it suddenly started and became a common phenomenon, because it is cold ? and why do these birds fall from the sky anyway ? if, cold is a problem, it should be a problem all along, it should not suddenly strike in air with hypothermia and lack of oxygen or whatnot. there are those who are strong in the flock, there are those who are not. some should have died earlier, some later, and in increments. not suddenly, entire populations could vanish. and not one, two incident, or one, too species, or one two places. a lot of species, living underwater or on the ground, have died. birds, started falling off the sky. there is WAY too much simultaneity for this to be something ordinary. way too much. im not saying this may be a conspiracy or something that should induce fear. however im saying that, the normal, ordinary explanations that are being thrown off for all these, are invalid. especially when they go like these : Quote:Amazingly untrue. One incident had internal bleeding as a cause of the mass bird deaths. Another had over consumption of discarded sunflower seeds as the cause. in one incident a few thousand birds suddenly die of indigestion and fell from the sky, in another internal bleeding (cause unknown) caused them to fall from the sky, in another sudden cold causing hypothermia or low oxygen caused them to fall from the sky. and, all of these, coincided to happen in the same month ... even same week ... too much coincidence, to be coincidence.
01-14-2011, 08:56 PM
(01-14-2011, 06:55 PM)unity100 Wrote: planet goes through a lot of hard winters every now and then. and hard summers too. yet, tens of thousands of birds havent been consistently dropping off of the sky everywhere up till this year. so, it suddenly started and became a common phenomenon, because it is cold ? Exactly! It's not paranoid 'conspiracy theory' to realize that the media is glossing over the obvious fact that something strange is afoot.
01-14-2011, 09:20 PM
Apparently there are people that are paranoid of being paranoid. Is there a medication for that?
01-14-2011, 11:19 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-14-2011, 11:24 PM by Nabil Naser.)
What can I say.
I do not understand this illogical approach to what is happening. For starters, no one seems to know who those supposed negative energies are, or what tools they are supposed to be using. It appears that some people want to believe in evil intentions so much, that they are willing to ignore more probable logical possibilities. I do not recall that Ra emphasized the STS entities too much. In fact, most of the references to STS where in responses to questions posed to them that mentioned the STS entities. I see a lot of attention paid to conspiracy ideas, and evil plots, that have no base or background. There is a lot of jumping to conclusions. I want to remind everyone here, that it is our own consciousness, thoughts, and ideas that decide our evolution. Falling into the old war mentality is what humanity needs to escape from. It is beyond paranoia, when rationality is ignored. (01-14-2011, 09:20 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: Apparently there are people that are paranoid of being paranoid. Is there a medication for that?
01-14-2011, 11:51 PM
(01-14-2011, 11:19 PM)Nabil Naser Wrote: It is beyond paranoia, when rationality is ignored. Not sure how this thread starting turning into a debate about conspiracy theories...but....getting back to the birds inexplicably dropping from the sky: Using some rational thought here, I agree with unity100 that the incidents are too strange and too coincidental to be explained by mundane causes such as cold or indigestion. I also agree with Peregrinus that foul play is one possible explanation, and I agree with Nabil that realignment of the poles is another possible explanation. At this point, it's an unexplained mystery, so one idea is a valid as another!
01-15-2011, 12:26 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-15-2011, 12:37 AM by Nabil Naser.)
That is exactly my point, Monica.
You say that you agree that foul play is a possibility. What logic, reason, or rational thought can you share with us that can explain such a possibility? Is there anything at all that can explain how foul play could have been a factor in incidences that are so wide spread, and that include different ways of death, as well as different species of fish and birds. In my book, this is just paranoia. When you have nothing to base reality upon, then it is all in your head. And for the record, I did not write anything here about pole realignment. I only said that the only common factor between the birds and fish is the magnetic field. I didn't say that it is the cause. I am scientist at heart, and I try not to jump into conclusions. (01-14-2011, 11:51 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(01-14-2011, 11:19 PM)Nabil Naser Wrote: It is beyond paranoia, when rationality is ignored. (01-15-2011, 12:26 AM)Nabil Naser Wrote: You say that you agree that foul play is a possibility. What logic, reason, or rational thought can you share with us that can explain such a possibility? It's not necessary to explain the mechanism of something that is considered a possibility. Anything is possible. (01-15-2011, 12:26 AM)Nabil Naser Wrote: Is there anything at all that can explain how foul play could have been a factor in incidences that are so wide spread, and that include different ways of death, as well as different species of fish and birds. The fact that many of these incidents involve a particular species, might point to speculation that it was targeted. (01-15-2011, 12:26 AM)Nabil Naser Wrote: In my book, this is just paranoia. When you have nothing to base reality upon, then it is all in your head. Respectfully, Nabil, it's not paranoia to acknowledge possibilities. (01-15-2011, 12:26 AM)Nabil Naser Wrote: And for the record, I did not write anything here about pole realignment. Oops, sorry for misquoting you! I see now that I translated your words when I wrote that. I think I read about pole realignment elsewhere and mistakenly attributed that to you. Since you didn't intend to say the magnetic field is the cause, then can you tell us what you meant? What is the significance of the magnetic field, if not the cause? We're all subject to magnetic fields.
01-16-2011, 12:59 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-16-2011, 01:20 AM by Peregrinus.)
Triangular in shape, not moving with the clouds, blunt force trauma. Make your own conclusions.
Weather radar shows something unusual around time birds fell Oh, and cows now too. 200 Dead Cows Found In Wisconsin Field
01-16-2011, 11:18 AM
From the channelling of Matthew Messages (released on January 15):
Quote:The other concern in many minds is the mysterious sudden deaths of millions of birds and fish in various locations around the globe. This was not from a single cause, but a “last straw.” The small bodies of those animals are more vulnerable than human bodies to the many forms of toxic pollutants in your air, water and soil, so their immune systems were seriously weakened before they were hit by a blast of low vibrations from manmade electromagnetic grids.
01-16-2011, 11:43 AM
LS, if that is true, then it's a wonderful plan set up to protect Earth.
Too many kids with fancy toys.
01-16-2011, 12:10 PM
Quote: if that is true, then it's a wonderful plan set up to protect Earth. According to Matthew (and Hatton, also channelled by the same source), the protection is set up to prevent any massive destruction (kind of nuclear war scenario). Apart from that, free will must be always observed. NESARA is also an ongoing process that will be fully announced and implemented when the time arrives. That moment depends on us. The most important thing, we don't have to fall into the trap of negativity. Blessings
01-16-2011, 01:40 PM
(01-14-2011, 11:19 PM)Nabil Naser Wrote: it is our own consciousness, thoughts, and ideas that decide our evolution.Our unconsciousness decides as well. That is, it often will motivate or provide energy to put forth that thought or an idea. It seems we want to be whole in any manner possible. So when the opportunity arrives, we will often short-cut our presentations - the basic, foundational proposition or assumption that is put forth, with our own unsatisfied needs, for example. We know this creates a new 'reality' seed - an option for evolution. To address our unconscious desires, we attempt to make our own 'drama' someone else's drama so that, through feedback, they may 'work it out' (for us or with us) or validate a prejudice. The problem is, even though we are capable of knowing better, we don't care if we employ false or unfair framing if it ultimately gets us our answers or causes others to act in a desired manner.
01-16-2011, 02:37 PM
01-16-2011, 04:54 PM
The vortex thing that burned the dolphins was probably human controlled somehow. And if we recall the Q'uo readings about cetaceans (dolphins, whales, porpoises) being 3D beings, not 2D, and most of them being STO oriented, then STS people killing dolphins could make sense for them because it would lower the planets overall consciousness. When China invaded Tibet the "peoples liberation" army destroyed every monastery in their path and killed as many monks as they could.
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