(07-05-2011, 10:23 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Thanks for your (sarcastic) opinion, though it's a rather pointless comment based on the context of the original comment.
my pleasure.
the perfect way to picture the situation in this case in its bareness without lengthy text, was sarcasm. i have intentionally employed it.
Quote:Perhaps you could share your point of view on the original context? Slaughter in the garden vs. slaughter of meat animals?
actually i have got into extreme depths of this subject in this thread. if you go back and read earlier pages, i think you will find me having told much more than what you asked here, and i think you will also find them radical enough to pique your curiosity.
Quote:Or possibly explain why you don't feel it's appropriate to recognize the difference between an entity tortured and suffering its entire life vs. an entity cared for and appreciated its entire life? Is it all the same to you, Unity100?
the ending, is traumatic and contradictory to what had happened before. imagine you were cared by your mother all your life, then suddenly your mother throws you outside one day. even this, is rather a smoothened and politically correct example.
basically you have given +1, then suddenly you have given -1. had you kept on without doing that last act, there would be still, +1 in the relationship. of course, this example is also rather simple, and the numbers are rather irrelevant.
let me put it in a bare emotional context :
im a kid. someone cares for me my entire life, i trust that person with everything, i am happy, then that someone comes and slaughters me to eat me.
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this was the plain and emotional approach to this matter. if you look at earlier pages, you will find technical spiritual approaches.
i wont reiterate them here, since we have discussed quite at length and quite in detail. but im sure they will attract your attention, should you check them out.
(07-06-2011, 08:30 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: The wild nature of 2D will probably always exist whether or not 4D is fully active. I don't see how 3D going out of activation will have any effect on a lion killing a zebra.
just look back at the biological history of this planet.
just a few million years ago, there was a totally different biosphere on this planet. much more wild, much more merciless, much more negative, if you compare to current times.
mammal concept is quite a positive concept compared to creatures lying eggs, then leaving them. and the current biosphere is worlds apart in respect to vileness - predating dinosaurs compared to current biosphere. a stark picture.
what happened ?
something, at some point changed. changed so drastically in fact - with the existing biosphere, the 3d body currently in use today on this planet should have been something that would derive from the dominant body base at that time.
however, something has changed - dinosaurs died en masse, and mammals, comparably weak creatures, have become the norm. and a monkey body had become the 3d body from among these.
it is good to remember that Ra had noted that the species, bodies and materials used in them and their interactions with each other, is a choice that happens in a moment's notice by the logos. this means, its rather trivial.
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combine this with the information that says 2d is also an octave of consciousness with its own polarities, then you can conclude that totally different, dream-like 2d experiences are possible, as well as nightmare like ones.
so basically, things do not have to stay that way.
(07-06-2011, 10:06 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: But I don't necessarily agree with the idea that 4D vibrations are going to change the thought patterns of 2D entities. There will be no suffering of animals on the 4D sphere, but the 2D sphere will still be there, nested within the 4D sphere, doing its 2D thing like 2D spheres do.
you will find that the same specie of cat, when grows in the wild, acts quite different from a cat that grows up in a loving house. to the extent that, even if they are the same species, their facial features differ over time. and in retrospect, a cat taken from outside, previously wild, exhibits a change in not only behavior, but also their facial features over considerable duration of time.
actually, any animal that lives in 3d space, is much more 'civil' than their counterparts living in wilderness. dingos in australia, is a good example.
in addition, 3d ceases being useful for earlier 3d experiences when a planet becomes 4d positive. you think why is that ? if existence of 4d affects 3d, why it shouldnt affect 2d ?
early 3d is very probably the part in which entities are probably learning various behaviors we call 'barbaric'.