08-28-2011, 03:18 AM
(This post was last modified: 08-28-2011, 03:30 AM by Bring4th_Austin.)
(08-28-2011, 02:42 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:(08-27-2011, 08:17 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: All are harvested regardless of their progress, for during that time the planet itself has moved through the useful part of that dimension and begins to cease (BEGINS to cease, instead of CEASES being) being useful for the lower levels of vibration within that density.
Ceasing is an act which takes place in a moment. It is a discontinuity. You don't begin to cease enslaving others. You cease to enslave them. All at once, in the same moment. If the 3D sphere is no longer useful to anybody, why would they continue to be incarnated here afterwards? Why would any soul want to be born into such a world?
Now it's certainly possible for "ceasing" to be a discontinuity, but that's not universal. Something can gradually phase out...when it starts phasing out, it "begins to cease," and when it's done phasing out, it has ceased. You can apply this example to countless things. The 3D vibes "began to cease" years ago, yet they haven't completely ceased yet. It could mean either, yet when the phrase "begins to cease" is used, I'd bet that it means that it only begins to cease, and doesn't completely cease until later. There's no telling whether this statement was about the actual mechanism of harvest or the transition from 3D to 4D anyways.
I would imagine that 3D work is basically done here as it is, and 3D entities are no longer incarnating. Dual bodied entities are 4D entities incarnating into a "less dense body." So I agree, I doubt any 3D entity would want to incarnate here after 3D vibes cease to stream, but I don't think the 3D plane will simply disappear, and thought-forms will hold it together until purged.
Quote:This quote tells us exactly about the process of harvest. Those present at the end of the cycle will be separated by their own choice. This is what Ra says, not what I made up about what Ra says.
Possibly within incarnation, possibly after their incarnation has ended either because of some harvest mechanism or through natural death.
Quote:Quote:6.16 Questioner: What is the position of this planet with respect to the progression of cycles at this time?
Ra: I am Ra. This sphere is at this time in fourth-dimension vibration. Its material is quite confused due to the society memory complexes embedded in its consciousness. It has not made an easy transition to the vibrations which beckon. Therefore, it will be fetched with some inconvenience.
In 1981, this sphere was already in fourth-dimension vibration. So how can the sphere begin to transition to 4D in 2011/2012 when it was already in 4D in 1981?
I don't think that's very clear...it's possible that simply 3D vibes will completely cease to instream at that point, but that doesn't mean that they'll be gone from space/time. We know that it's going to be a gradual shift to the 4D sphere and to 4D bodies, that is one thing Ra was rather clear about:
Quote:63.27 Questioner: I will make this statement and have you correct me. What we have is, as our planet is spiraled by the spiraling action of the entire major galaxy and our planetary system spirals into the new position, the fourth-density vibrations becoming more and more pronounced. These atomic core vibrations begin to create, more and more completely, the fourth-density sphere and the fourth-density bodily complexes for inhabitation of that sphere. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. To be corrected is the concept of the creation of green-ray density bodily complexes. This creation will be gradual and will take place beginning with your third-density type of physical vehicle and, through the means of bisexual reproduction, become by evolutionary processes, the fourth-density body complexes.
It makes sense to me that as 3D vibes cease to steam from the Logos, "new" 3D thoughts may not be possible, but existing 3D thought-forms will linger until we as a society have rid ourselves of them and replaced them with new 4D thoughts.
I don't think that is what the main debate between gradual and instant is about though. The gateway to intelligent infinity will open, somehow, someway, for all to access at a given point. Whether this means it becomes available to them in passing to time/space (through mechanism of harvest or naturally), or within incarnation, or some way we can't comprehend, is unknown.
Quote:Quote:6.17 Questioner: Is this inconvenience imminent within a few years?
Ra: I am Ra. This inconvenience, or disharmonious vibratory complex, has begun several of your years in the past. It shall continue unabated for a period of approximately 30, thirty, of your years.
And then it will stop, due to harvest.
Here's some tricky wording which definitely offers some room for interpretation. Ra says "continue unabated." Unabated means without reduction in intensity. So it's very possible Ra was saying that the intensity of the inconveniences will continue for 30 years then gradually slow down, or possibly stop completely. "Due to harvest," yes, it's possible that if harvest is instant, these inconveniences will simply stop and things will be fine, or if harvest is gradual, the increasing harmony among the society complex will gradually cause the inconveniences to end.
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