Acceptance and Will
04-25-2011, 10:25 PM,
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(04-25-2011, 10:13 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  
(04-25-2011, 10:11 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  Sacrifice is STO. Ding ding ding. We have a winner Smile Wink

Please don't skew my words.

Sacrificing self to save another from an STS act, isn't the same as sacrificing self, to allow an STS act.
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04-25-2011, 10:26 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-25-2011, 10:27 PM by Monica.)
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(04-25-2011, 10:25 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  HuhHuhHuh

Sorry. I don't know how to say it any more clearly than that.

(Or are you just trying to outdo me with more frownies? Wink)
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04-25-2011, 10:27 PM,
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(04-25-2011, 10:12 PM)Icaro Wrote:  
(04-25-2011, 08:38 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  The action is secondary, and the will of love by the self will have a very real effect that immediately impacts the situation and immediately forms the situation into a new situation.

In the case of a fully realized sts entity, they would ignore your efforts. They want nothing to do with you or your sympathy, and would take advantage of this naivete to carry out their intentions by plowing right over you.

True love would totally disregard any polarity loss and karma incurred, and would protect the victim at all costs. True love would sacrifice themselves for the victim and disregard the aggressor.

I think we all agree that any thought/action is ok..that we can accept their intentions within the self as being an aspect of the self. But we cannot allow manipulation/domination to be carried out.

Are you saying that you would allow murder? Or attempt to stop it through acceptance?

I am not saying what I, personally, would do at all.

True love, loves all selves. A L L

I just said it is natural and not wrong, but it is unmistakably STS.
(04-25-2011, 10:26 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  
(04-25-2011, 10:25 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  HuhHuhHuh

Sorry. I don't know how to say it any more clearly than that.

(Or are you just trying to outdo me with more frownies? haha)

How was I skewing words. Sacrificing my life for another's is absolutely STO. I agree. This is not what you have been conveying though. You have been saying that stopping a murderer is loving because you feel that the victim deserves your help.

What I don't think you see is that sacrificing your life is also a STO action toward the aggressor.
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04-25-2011, 10:30 PM,
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(04-25-2011, 10:27 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  I just said it is natural and not wrong, but it is unmistakably STS.

You have stated that several times. An explanation of how it would be "unmistakably" STS would be appreciated.

In light of what Ra has stated about actions being STS or STS based largely on intentions, how could anyone state that anything is always, unmistakably, STS?
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04-25-2011, 10:33 PM,
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(04-25-2011, 10:30 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  
(04-25-2011, 10:27 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  I just said it is natural and not wrong, but it is unmistakably STS.

You have stated that several times. An explanation of how it would be "unmistakably" STS would be appreciated.

In light of what Ra has stated about actions being STS or STS based largely on intentions, how could anyone state that anything is always, unmistakably, STS?

Oh, I have tried to say it so many waysssss......

If you act against anyone's free will, if you manipulate the actions of another directly, this is, without a doubt in my mind, serving your self and not the other self as self.
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04-25-2011, 10:37 PM,
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I think the following LOO exchange speaks tellingly on the vigorously debated topic here --

Quote:67.11 Questioner: Then how could we solve this paradox?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that you have no ability not to serve the Creator since all is the Creator. In your individual growth patterns appear the basic third-density choice. Further, there are overlaid memories of the positive polarizations of your home density. Thus your particular orientation is strongly polarized towards service to others and has attained wisdom as well as compassion.

You do not have merely two opposite requests for information or lack of information from this source if you listen careful to those whose voices you may hear. This is all one voice to which you resonate upon a certain frequency. This frequency determines your choice of service to the One Creator. As it happens this group’s vibratory patterns and those of Ra are compatible and enable us to speak through this instrument with your support. This is a function of free will.

A portion, seemingly of the Creator, rejoices at your choice to question us regarding the evolution of spirit. A seemingly separate portion would wish for multitudinous answers to a great range of queries of a specific nature. Another seemingly separate group of your peoples would wish this correspondence through this instrument to cease, feeling it to be of a negative nature. Upon the many other planes of existence there are those whose every fiber rejoices at your service and those such as the entity of whom you have been speaking which wish only to terminate the life upon the third-density plane of this instrument. All are the Creator. There is one vast panoply of biases and distortions, colors and hues, in an unending pattern. In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well. No more than this can you do for your portion of the Creator is as it is and your experience and offering of experience, to be valuable, needs be more and more a perfect representation of who you truly are. Could you, then, serve a negative entity by offering the instrument’s life? It is unlikely that you would find this a true service. Thus you may see in many cases the loving balance being achieved, the love being offered, light being sent, and the service of the service-to-self oriented entity gratefully acknowledged while being rejected as not being useful in your journey at this time. Thus you serve One Creator without paradox.
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04-25-2011, 10:42 PM,
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(04-25-2011, 10:12 PM)Icaro Wrote:  In the case of a fully realized sts entity, they would ignore your efforts. They want nothing to do with you or your sympathy, and would take advantage of this naivete to carry out their intentions by plowing right over you.

They are not more powerful than love. You are wrong about this, and this is my entire purpose for the "exhaustion." One inkling of a STS thought such as overpowering their efforts sucks the love right out of you. There are also so many other facets at play between m/b/s and also in time/space and Higher Selves, that what one is capable of and another isn't is indeterminable. You must love that person from the get go. Trust in love, not in winning an STS battle. It is a "thought war", and the moment love leaves your thought.... serving self enters the void.

In the larger scheme of things, it would be ideal to accept and love anything a 3D STS oriented person throws your way. Yes it would, and your Higher Self would be better for it.

If you wanna know what I'd do.... I'd probably go 'STS all up on that mfer', but I'm not going to say I did it for love. No, that would be delusional.
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04-25-2011, 10:49 PM,
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(04-25-2011, 10:42 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  If you wanna know what I'd do.... I'd probably go 'STS all up on that ...', but I'm not going to say I did it for love. No, that would be delusional.

3, you amaze me with your blue-ray honesty. You are proving to be a tough catalytic mirror for me to look myself in.

Your honesty is hurting my self-image, for it uncovers my deepest self-deceptions. You are a difficult catalyst, as you do not conform to normal ways of self-aggrandizement.

Thank you.

And I resonate with the statement for I too in that case would have tipped over into complete STS to have my way. Drastic situations reveal to us our true inclinations, or as you say, hold light on our personal delusions.

You are a strong uncompromising seeker.
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04-25-2011, 10:52 PM,
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(04-25-2011, 10:37 PM)Confused Wrote:  I think the following LOO exchange speaks tellingly on the vigorously debated topic here --

Quote:67.11 Questioner: Then how could we solve this paradox?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that you have no ability not to serve the Creator since all is the Creator. In your individual growth patterns appear the basic third-density choice. Further, there are overlaid memories of the positive polarizations of your home density. Thus your particular orientation is strongly polarized towards service to others and has attained wisdom as well as compassion.

You do not have merely two opposite requests for information or lack of information from this source if you listen careful to those whose voices you may hear. This is all one voice to which you resonate upon a certain frequency. This frequency determines your choice of service to the One Creator. As it happens this group’s vibratory patterns and those of Ra are compatible and enable us to speak through this instrument with your support. This is a function of free will.

A portion, seemingly of the Creator, rejoices at your choice to question us regarding the evolution of spirit. A seemingly separate portion would wish for multitudinous answers to a great range of queries of a specific nature. Another seemingly separate group of your peoples would wish this correspondence through this instrument to cease, feeling it to be of a negative nature. Upon the many other planes of existence there are those whose every fiber rejoices at your service and those such as the entity of whom you have been speaking which wish only to terminate the life upon the third-density plane of this instrument. All are the Creator. There is one vast panoply of biases and distortions, colors and hues, in an unending pattern. In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well. No more than this can you do for your portion of the Creator is as it is and your experience and offering of experience, to be valuable, needs be more and more a perfect representation of who you truly are. Could you, then, serve a negative entity by offering the instrument’s life? It is unlikely that you would find this a true service. Thus you may see in many cases the loving balance being achieved, the love being offered, light being sent, and the service of the service-to-self oriented entity gratefully acknowledged while being rejected as not being useful in your journey at this time. Thus you serve One Creator without paradox.

You are my saint, Confused.

"needs be more and more a perfect representation of who you truly are" resonates highly with me. This is the answer to this discussion. This alternative view is not resonating with me. I'll be doing me. Sorry for getting caught up in wanting recognition for my views. I'm very sorry. (Please accept my apologies without telling me not to say I'm sorry)
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04-25-2011, 10:57 PM,
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"Overpowering" a sts entity in the name of serving others (protecting another) is not sts. You are talking nonsense. Madness!

In a 3d world you cannot allow manipulation/domination, or else this planet would polarize negatively. Every sto act in a 3d world is going against sts agendas, and by your definition, this would be "overpowering". Nonsense!
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04-25-2011, 10:58 PM,
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(04-25-2011, 10:49 PM)Confused Wrote:  
(04-25-2011, 10:42 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  If you wanna know what I'd do.... I'd probably go 'STS all up on that ...', but I'm not going to say I did it for love. No, that would be delusional.

3, you amaze me with your blue-ray honesty.

LOL, I don't even know what that is Cool
(04-25-2011, 10:57 PM)Icaro Wrote:  "Overpowering" a sts entity in the name of serving others (protecting another) is not sts. You are talking nonsense. Madness!

In a 3d world you cannot allow manipulation/domination, or else this planet would polarize negatively. Every sto act in a 3d world is going against sts agendas, and by your definition, this would be "overpowering". Nonsense!

It is not nonsense. Overpowering is overpowering, no matter what justification you apply.

STO is the antithesis of this.

(I like the character of your post, btw. I really smile Smile)
Power. Control. This is what serving the self seeks.

Acceptance. Love. This is what serving others seeks.

It is very cut and dried this way.
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04-25-2011, 11:06 PM,
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Yes, it is going against their agenda. But you are arguing that this overpowering is an act of serving the self. It isn't for the self if you are doing it for another.
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04-25-2011, 11:11 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-25-2011, 11:12 PM by Monica.)
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(04-25-2011, 10:27 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  What I don't think you see is that sacrificing your life is also a STO action toward the aggressor.

In some cases, perhaps. But not necessarily.

If the STO entity had undertaken a certain mission in this incarnation, and the aggressor tried to interfere with that mission, then giving in to the aggressor would mean helping the STS to polarize, and failing in one's STO mission.

Jesus' sacrifice was part of a greater STO mission.

If Gandhi had been assassinated 10 years earlier, he wouldn't have accomplished his very important STO mission.

It's not the sacrifice itself, but the reason behind it.
These quotes seem to have fallen thru the cracks, yet they address the question better than anything I could say.

(04-25-2011, 12:47 AM)Confused Wrote:  I opine that the following two Ra exchanges speak directly to the many layered questions hiding behind your main question.

Quote:25.5 Questioner: You spoke of an Orion Confederation and of a battle being fought between the Confederation and the Orion Confederation. Is it possible to convey any concept of how this battle is fought?

Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, your mind. Picture it then in total unity with all other minds of your society. You are then single-minded and that which is a weak electrical charge in your physical illusion is now an enormously powerful machine whereby thoughts may be projected as things.

In this endeavor the Orion group charges or attacks the Confederation armed with light. The result, a stand-off, as you would call it, both energies being somewhat depleted by this and needing to regroup; the negative depleted through failure to manipulate, the positive depleted through failure to accept that which is given.

25.6 Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you mean by the “failure to accept that which is given?”

Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded and engulfed, transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

It has not been fruitful for either side. The only consequence which has been helpful is a balancing of the energies available to this planet so that these energies have less necessity to be balanced in this space/time, thus lessening the chances of planetary annihilation.
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04-25-2011, 11:27 PM,
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(04-25-2011, 10:58 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  (I like the character of your post, By the way. I really smile Smile)

I'm glad we can be informal Big Grin

I don't know what else to say. We all understand the philosophy of fully accepting the other self as self, but it's my understanding that we're trying to work out the details in terms of how you approach a 3d situation.
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04-25-2011, 11:34 PM,
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I addressed these quotes. In no way do they justify a 3D physical plane action.
(04-25-2011, 11:06 PM)Icaro Wrote:  Yes, it is going against their agenda. But you are arguing that this overpowering is an act of serving the self. It isn't for the self if you are doing it for another.

I am arguing that the STS person I would be going against IS the other self that I should be serving since this is the one I am actively engaged with. The person you are supposedly taking up for is out of the equation as far as your polarity is concerned.
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04-25-2011, 11:42 PM,
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So what would you say to him and how would you attempt to transform the situation?
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04-25-2011, 11:52 PM,
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(04-25-2011, 10:52 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  Sorry for getting caught up in wanting recognition for my views.

The experience through the ages is that when truth is spoken, it does not receive immediate attention en masse.

Truth is a bitter pill that does not give adrenaline when taken in fullness. Thus, we mostly attempt to mix some portion of truth with falsehood, in order to make it pleasurable/palatable for some components of the inner self.

It is like sex. If deconstructed on bare essential terms, physical sex can be seen as completely dirty and gross, for it primarily deals with organs that are used to expel waste. But if one gets fixated on that aspect of the truth of sex alone, it can create several unnecessary mind-blocks leading to a state of inability to take pleasure out of the act. And then, there is no use in feeling irritated/envious when other-selves enjoy the act greatly, by choosing to gloss over what is self-evident in terms of grossness.

Thus, in my opinion, truth in its complete range, when imbibed all at once, can create extreme imbalances. And sudden brilliant initiations, which one is not yet capable of handling, can be touched off by accident. And they do not always end prettily.

I personally think there is nothing for you to apologize for, 3.
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04-25-2011, 11:53 PM,
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(04-25-2011, 11:34 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  I am arguing that the STS person I would be going against IS the other self that I should be serving since this is the one I am actively engaged with. The person you are supposedly taking up for is out of the equation as far as your polarity is concerned.

How did you decide that?

Person A hears the cries for help from Person B, who happens to be a child.

Person A chooses to assist Person B, and engages in the rescue of Person B from Person C.

How have you decided that Person A is 'engaged' with Person C but not with Person B?
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04-25-2011, 11:56 PM,
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(04-25-2011, 11:42 PM)Icaro Wrote:  So what would you say to him and how would you attempt to transform the situation?

As the LOO suggests, look at other self as self and determine needs. We each possess a unique set of distortions that provide equally unique abilities to "see".
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04-25-2011, 11:57 PM,
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(04-25-2011, 10:33 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  If you act against anyone's free will, if you manipulate the actions of another directly, this is, without a doubt in my mind, serving your self and not the other self as self.

Anyone? Including yourself?

What if your free will is to survive, so you can accomplish your mission in this incarnation? Then allowing an STS entity to interfere, would be going against your own free will.

You keep saying manipulate...but it is the STS entity who initiated the manipulation. To allow him to continue, in my opinion would actually be STS polarizing, because you'd be contributing to STS manipulation.

To establish a boundary, is to halt manipulation.
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04-26-2011, 12:04 AM,
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(04-25-2011, 11:53 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  
(04-25-2011, 11:34 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  I am arguing that the STS person I would be going against IS the other self that I should be serving since this is the one I am actively engaged with. The person you are supposedly taking up for is out of the equation as far as your polarity is concerned.

How did you decide that?

Person A hears the cries for help from Person B, who happens to be a child.

Person A chooses to assist Person B, and engages in the rescue of Person B from Person C.

How have you decided that Person A is 'engaged' with Person C but not with Person B?

okay, well now we are rescuing the "victim" which paints a picture of gathering in my arms and running away. This is not stopping the aggressor. This in engaging with the "victim" and this is doing what this other has requested. This is a good thing.

What if the "victim" shouts, "kill this guy before he kills me"?
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04-26-2011, 12:10 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-26-2011, 12:12 AM by Monica.)
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(04-25-2011, 10:42 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  They are not more powerful than love.

It's not a simple matter of love vs evil, as the religions would have us believe. It's about which entity has stronger polarity.

(04-25-2011, 10:42 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  You are wrong about this,

We are all expressing our opinions.

(04-25-2011, 10:42 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  One inkling of a STS thought such as overpowering their efforts sucks the love right out of you.

If that's true, then we're in a worse mess than I thought! If even an inkling of a thought could undo all the progress we've made...

(04-25-2011, 10:42 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  There are also so many other facets at play between m/b/s and also in time/space and Higher Selves, that what one is capable of and another isn't is indeterminable. You must love that person from the get go. Trust in love, not in winning an STS battle.

Here is the missing piece. I invite you to consider this:

You can love the aggressor while simultaneously neutralizing his aggression.

Not with more aggression, though self-defense may be necessary in some cases. With love, the situation may indeed be transformed. Or maybe not. The entity might be so solid in his STS polarity that it isn't sufficient to transform him into switching polarities.

And guess what...to overpower him with love might actually be interfering with his free will!

(Yes. Chew on that, haha!)

(04-25-2011, 10:42 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  It is a "thought war", and the moment love leaves your thought.... serving self enters the void.

It's not so black-and-white. If it were, then there wouldn't be these gradations of polarity. We're all mixed polarity, right now. None among us is 100%.

(04-25-2011, 10:42 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  In the larger scheme of things, it would be ideal to accept and love anything a 3D STS oriented person throws your way. Yes it would, and your Higher Self would be better for it.

That's not what Ra did, and they explained their reasons.

(04-25-2011, 10:42 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  If you wanna know what I'd do.... I'd probably go 'STS all up on that mfer', but I'm not going to say I did it for love. No, that would be delusional.

Why does it have to be all or nothing? Why must it be either "accept all and sacrifice self" OR "go STS on him"?

There IS another way!
(04-26-2011, 12:04 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:  okay, well now we are rescuing the "victim" which paints a picture of gathering in my arms and running away. This is not stopping the aggressor. This in engaging with the "victim" and this is doing what this other has requested. This is a good thing.

?? That was the assumption all along! Why else would one stop an aggressor, if not to rescue the victim? That was the whole point!

(04-26-2011, 12:04 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:  What if the "victim" shouts, "kill this guy before he kills me"?

That's easy. You do the minimum to rescue the victim. You don't kill someone just because another person wants you to. THAT would surely be STS!
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04-26-2011, 12:13 AM,
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We just need answer to one simple question - what is love?

The rest will fall into its place.
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04-26-2011, 12:13 AM,
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We are talking about 18 different things here..no wonder all of this isn't making any sense.
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04-26-2011, 12:46 AM,
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It's been stated before that intention governs whether an act is sts or sto, but i want people to be aware that this is not always the case. A prime example would be Maldek...

Quote:10.1
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Ra: I am Ra. The peoples of Maldek had a civilization somewhat similar to that of the societal complex known to you as Atlantis in that it gained much technological information and used it without care for the preservation of their sphere following to a majority extent the complex of thought, ideas, and actions which you may associate with your so-called negative polarity or the service to self. This was, however, for the most part, couched in a sincere belief/thought structure which seemed to the perception of the mind/body complexes of this sphere to be positive and of service to others. The devastation that wracked their biosphere and caused its disintegration resulted from what you call war.
....
After this experience of learn/teaching, the group decision was to place upon itself a type of what you may call karma alleviation. For this purpose they came into incarnation within your planetary sphere in what were not acceptable human forms. This then they have been experiencing until the distortions of destruction are replaced by distortions towards the desire for a less distorted vision of service to others. Since this was the conscious decision of the great majority of those beings in the Maldek experience, the transition to this planet began approximately 500,000 of your years ago and the type of body complex available at that time was used.

You can see from this example that an entire planetary population sincerely believed their actions were sto and yet they were indulging in thoughts, ideas and actions that were sts. No amount of intention is gonna fix that and as a result they were misguided enough to destroy their planet, spend millenia in a knot of fear and then underwent karmic alleviation until they replaced their distorted vision of sto with one that was less destructive/distorted.

It seems to me that you can't use the tools of the opposite polarity and say you are still operating within the framework of your own. Instead you acknowledge that you will probably have lost some polarity as a result of being defensive or abridging free will but this was something your were willing to pay the cost for and will likely recoup on at a latter date.

Its why i laughed out loud at 3D's response
(04-25-2011, 10:42 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  If you wanna know what I'd do.... I'd probably go 'STS all up on that mfer', but I'm not going to say I did it for love. No, that would be delusional.

One more thing i've noticed might also be a stumbling block is whether performing an act which results in loss of positive polarity is the same as performing a sts act. Technically it could be considered the same but i personally wouldn't. Polarity is the currency of the densities above our own. If you have enough positive polarity you might be willing to lose a little for the sake of something greater.

Even Ra makes these concessions to loss of polarity (though some would argue they don't have polarity...Tongue) and i would hesistate to equate their minor loss of polarity with a sts act.
Quote:53.3
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Ra: I am Ra. This query is marginal. We will make the concession towards information with some loss of polarity due to free will being abridged. We request that questions of this nature be kept to a minimum....
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04-26-2011, 01:00 AM,
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Spero, excellent post, friend. And you have picked the most suitable Ra portions to make your great points. I truly enjoyed your post. I especially liked the fact that you referred to Maldek society's STS acts, while consciously believing in themselves as being STO.

And that leads me to another question. Can an entity believe strongly that it is polarizing STS, while actually exhibting STO characteristics?

And I like the statement 'polarity is the currency...'

God, you people are so inventive with phraseology. I have benefited much on that.

And concessions by Ra, he he he Wink
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04-26-2011, 02:30 AM,
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We seek within.
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04-26-2011, 03:24 AM,
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(04-26-2011, 01:00 AM)Confused Wrote:  Spero, excellent post, friend.
Blush thanx lol
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04-26-2011, 03:48 AM,
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We seek within.
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04-26-2011, 03:49 AM,
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RE: Acceptance and Will
@ Spero, Excellent post. What I lack in argument, I make up for in conviction. My own imbalance perhaps Tongue ....

@ Azrael, I hear you. One may even choose before incarnation to kill another, only to create a distortion of reflection later in life to become more serving of others in compassion, and this may provide a heavier earthly balance toward positive in the long run. In the end, it is all simply catalyst.
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