The mysterious nature of time
04-30-2011, 11:50 AM,
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RE: The mysterious nature of time
(04-30-2011, 11:05 AM)Azrael Wrote:  Needless to say, the third dimension is only percievable in past tense, it is a world of effects.

I suppose you mean 3D s/t.
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04-30-2011, 12:08 PM,
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Well, yes, naturally.
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04-30-2011, 04:53 PM,
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In space/time, potential moments are able to flow and be explored. As each moment is experienced, they are connected together and recorded. They are forever organized in that fashion, and in time/space I imagine they must be reflected spatially and you can revisit those moments.

In time/space, I guess you must be existing outside of this flow, wherein you are able to see those moments and also view possibilities/probabilities. In this way, if moments are reflected spatially in time/space, when you move towards them you are traveling through time.
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04-30-2011, 06:18 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-30-2011, 06:23 PM by Confused.)
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Oh, sorry. I did not know such a guideline existed. I apologize.
(04-30-2011, 04:53 PM)Icaro Wrote:  In time/space, I guess you must be existing outside of this flow, wherein you are able to see those moments and also view possibilities/probabilities. In this way, if moments are reflected spatially in time/space, when you move towards them you are traveling through time.

Any idea as to what strengthens any particular possibility/probability?

I am also wondering whether the ability to see that is different for every entity based on evolutionary status. Like difference between newly evolved 3D (from 2D) and experienced 3D mind/spirit complex in 3D t/s.
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04-30-2011, 07:34 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-30-2011, 07:41 PM by Icaro.)
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Hmm, good question. I'm not sure it is a matter of strength, but rather a matter of preference. So perhaps it is based on the biases of all the entities involved at that moment, and possibilities/probabilities can be seen based on the measurement of harmony and the entities rate of progression/learning.

However, I suppose in some other reality the other possibilities will be exercised. I imagine it isn't until the entity takes over creating its incarnational patterns that it will be able to understand these things.
Now that I reread that, preference could be said to be an indicator of strength Tongue
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04-30-2011, 07:42 PM,
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(04-30-2011, 07:34 PM)Icaro Wrote:  Hmm, good question. I'm not sure it is a matter of strength, but rather a matter of preference. So perhaps it is based on the biases of all the entities involved at that moment, and possibilities/probabilities can be seen based on the measurement of harmony and its rate of progression towards unity.

However, I suppose in some other reality the other possibilities will be exercised. I imagine it isn't until the entity takes over creating its incarnational patterns that it will be able to understand these things.
Now that I reread that, preference could be said to be an indicator of strength Tongue

When I read the following quote carefully, I think a certain interpretation comes up in my mind --

Quote:From 83.26:
You may see, in some cases, an entity which, either by pre-incarnative choice or by constant reprogramming while in incarnation, has developed an esurient program of catalyst.

Though we may not directly see/perceive while the mind/body/spirit complex resides in 3d s/t, it still is very viable that we can access our t/s being to reprogram catalysts in the current life. Pre-incarnational programing is not a carte blanche in that sense, and the ability to create the future lies in our power to know and understand the power of the realm of time, of course combined with our conscious catalyzed evolution. Does it make some sense or am I rambling just to appear meaningful and intelligent?
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04-30-2011, 08:01 PM,
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Hahahahahaha, I read the rest of that session and forgot about this quote in it.... "....Such an entity is quite desirous of using the catalyst and has determined to its own satisfaction that what you may call the large board needs to be applied to the forehead in order to obtain the attention of the self."

Anyway! Sure, you sound like you are making sense Smile Our pre-incarnational guidelines can be diverted in many ways, and I remember reading that we also plan for these possibilities and create alternate avenues in case this happens. There is simply a general framework of lessons to be learned that is created for you to follow.

As far as creating the future and the nature of time, I have been trying to view everything as the present moment. What comes next is unknown..there is only possibility/probability. The more you are able to be in the present and truly understand it, the easier it may be to create.
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04-30-2011, 08:06 PM,
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(04-30-2011, 08:01 PM)Icaro Wrote:  .there is only possibility/probability. The more you are able to be in the present and truly understand it, the easier it may be to create.

Very good observation, Icaro. I agree.

Ra always affirmed the importance of faith and will, at times in almost religious fervor. So there is something definitely to the present, especially when strengthened with the power of the will and the robustness of faith.

May be mysterious Time too helps one trying to become an adept Smile
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05-01-2011, 12:38 AM,
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Mhm. In 3d we are probably limited as to what we manifest, but what we really seek is harmony or at least to understand the imperfections. Once you are able to exist in the present and see the moment for what it is, understand and see the unity, you are directly communing with the Creator. If many of us were able to do this together, we could more easily manifest whatever we like.

The thought of Don asking Ra about moving mountains just popped into my head, and when I looked it up faith was also appropriately part of the question. Synch! Session 3.9 Smile
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05-01-2011, 01:06 AM,
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(05-01-2011, 12:38 AM)Icaro Wrote:  Once you are able to exist in the present and see the moment for what it is, understand and see the unity, you are directly communing with the Creator. If many of us were able to do this together, we could more easily manifest whatever we like.

Icaro, that brought a thought to my mind. In the world of 3D s/t, we can come together in a specific place to share energies and combine our will. I am sure we can do that from a distance as well; but feeling the energies of each other through direct person may add to the potency, in terms of any ritual for invoking the magic of the universe through faith and will.

Similarly, while still in 3D s/t, do you think it is possible for each of us to combine our wills by coming into the presence of each other in t/s through the medium of dreams. That is, can we together work from the realm of t/s, while in s/t, by joining the force of our lucid dreams/visualizations together?
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05-01-2011, 01:39 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-01-2011, 01:41 AM by Icaro.)
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If two were in the presence of each other, and they are able to each view the moment for what it is, their moments would become one as best as possible in accordance with the ability of each. In other words, you are each trying as best as possible to align yourselves to view a moment/finite that is part of infinity simultaneously, instead of simply viewing it as your own finite perspective. You are trying to converge and unite in perspective. In time/space this would be viewed more towards a state of crystallization where they overlap as best as possible, rather than each other's moments simply interacting. In this way you would be able to harness infinite intelligence/energy. As you say, advanced beings would be able to do this at a distance.

As far as working within time/space in an astral or lucid state..I'm going to have to marinate on that one. You could come into the presence of each other, but as far as manipulating space/time in that state..I don't know how you would.
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05-01-2011, 01:52 AM,
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(05-01-2011, 01:39 AM)Icaro Wrote:  As far as working within time/space in an astral or lucid state..I'm going to have to marinate on that one. You could come into the presence of each other, but as far as manipulating space/time in that state..I don't know how you would.

Icaro, that reminded me of the following words of Ra from 68.14 --
Quote:When the commitment was made between two of this group to work for the betterment of the planetary sphere, this commitment activated a possibility/probability vortex of some strength. The experience of generating this volume was unusual in that it was visualized as if watching the moving picture.

Time had become available in its present-moment form. The scenario of the volume went smoothly until the ending of the volume. You could not end the volume, and the ending was not visualized as the entire body of the material but was written or authored.

This is due to the action of free will in all of the creation. However, the volume contains a view of significant events, both symbolically and specifically, which you saw under the influence of the magnetic attraction which was released when the commitment was made and full memory of the dedication of this, what you may call, mission restored.
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05-01-2011, 11:32 AM,
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(05-01-2011, 01:06 AM)Confused Wrote:  Similarly, while still in 3D s/t, do you think it is possible for each of us to combine our wills by coming into the presence of each other in t/s through the medium of dreams. That is, can we together work from the realm of t/s, while in s/t, by joining the force of our lucid dreams/visualizations together?

My first thought after reading this is that combining wills is necessary, if not sufficient, to assemble a social memory complex.

I also believe that meditation is an effective step to reduce the opacity of veiling, including the notion/illusion of our separation from the One, from Ra and from each other. Therefore yes, I think we can work from that realm while still in this one.

Idea Thanks, Confused, for triggering this thinking. Smile
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05-01-2011, 11:38 AM,
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(05-01-2011, 11:32 AM)kycahi Wrote:  My first thought after reading this is that combining wills is necessary, if not sufficient, to assemble a social memory complex.

Yes, kycahi, I think you got the nerve right on target there. I too believe strongly that the combined strength of more and more people working together with focused will and single-minded purpose can make the most miraculous of manifestations occur at much reduced effort levels on an individual basis.

As Ra noted on somewhat Biblical lines --

Quote:3.10 Questioner: Then if an individual is totally informed with respect to the Law of One and lives the Law of One, then such things as the building of the pyramids by direct mental effort would be commonplace. Is that what I am to understand?

Ra: I am Ra. You are incorrect in that there is a distinction between the individual power through the Law of One and the combined, or societal memory complex mind/body/spirit understanding of the Law of One.

In the first case only the one individual, purified of all flaws, could move a mountain. In the case of mass understanding of unity, each individual may contain an acceptable amount of distortion and yet the mass mind could move mountains.
The progress is normally from the understanding which you now seek to a dimension of understanding which is governed by the laws of love, and which seeks the laws of light. Those who are vibrating with the Law of Light seek the Law of One. Those who vibrate with the Law of One seek the Law of Foreverness.

We cannot say what is beyond this dissolution of the unified self with all that there is, for we still seek to become all that there is, and still are we Ra. Thus our paths go onward.

And thanks to lawofone.info for the quote Wink
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05-01-2011, 05:58 PM,
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Those are good points. We were talking about biases and preferences, but left out the will!
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05-01-2011, 06:18 PM,
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(05-01-2011, 11:38 AM)Confused Wrote:  
(05-01-2011, 11:32 AM)kycahi Wrote:  My first thought after reading this is that combining wills is necessary, if not sufficient, to assemble a social memory complex.

Yes, kycahi, I think you got the nerve right on target there. I too believe strongly that the combined strength of more and more people working together with focused will and single-minded purpose can make the most miraculous of manifestations occur at much reduced effort levels on an individual basis.

As Ra noted on somewhat Biblical lines --

Quote:3.10 Questioner: Then if an individual is totally informed with respect to the Law of One and lives the Law of One, then such things as the building of the pyramids by direct mental effort would be commonplace. Is that what I am to understand?

Ra: I am Ra. You are incorrect in that there is a distinction between the individual power through the Law of One and the combined, or societal memory complex mind/body/spirit understanding of the Law of One.

In the first case only the one individual, purified of all flaws, could move a mountain. In the case of mass understanding of unity, each individual may contain an acceptable amount of distortion and yet the mass mind could move mountains.
The progress is normally from the understanding which you now seek to a dimension of understanding which is governed by the laws of love, and which seeks the laws of light. Those who are vibrating with the Law of Light seek the Law of One. Those who vibrate with the Law of One seek the Law of Foreverness.

We cannot say what is beyond this dissolution of the unified self with all that there is, for we still seek to become all that there is, and still are we Ra. Thus our paths go onward.

And thanks to lawofone.info for the quote Wink

I believe all of this. I am pessimistic that single-minded focus is achievable in anyway in 3D space/time. The discrepancies in thought are too variegated/variable.
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05-01-2011, 11:11 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-01-2011, 11:25 PM by Confused.)
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(05-01-2011, 05:58 PM)Icaro Wrote:  Those are good points. We were talking about biases and preferences, but left out the will!

Yup, Ra had many good words for the faculty of will --

Quote:This entity has great distortions in the direction of mind complex activity, spirit complex activity, and that great conduit to the Creator, the will. (from 72.10)

Quote:Your faculty of will is that which is powerful within you as co-Creator. You cannot ascribe to this faculty too much importance. (from 52.7)

(05-01-2011, 06:18 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  I am pessimistic that single-minded focus is achievable in anyway in 3D space/time. The discrepancies in thought are too variegated/variable.

Why do you say that, 3?

Though the following is not a shining example of STO philosophy; I think single-mindedness is achievable in 3D s/t, especially under favorable circumstances wherein freewill is not heavily circumscribed --

Quote:11.11 Questioner: Did this enable them to do what we refer to as magic? Could they do paranormal things while they were incarnate?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The first two entities mentioned made little use of these abilities consciously. However, they were bent single-mindedly upon service to self, sparing no efforts in personal discipline to double, re-double and so empower this gateway. The third was a conscious adept and also spared no effort in the pursuit of service to self.

And 3DM, I just wanted to throw this question at you for some insights, as you are deeply interested in the astrological disciplines.

Astrology is study of Time too, isn't it? Can you highlight how the motions of the planets and the stars impact the energies that flow into the life of an individual at various times/phases through the span of time on earth?

I would like to try to understand a bit, the correlation between time, freewill and predetermination.
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05-02-2011, 08:03 AM,
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(05-01-2011, 11:11 PM)Confused Wrote:  And 3DM, I just wanted to throw this question at you for some insights, as you are deeply interested in the astrological disciplines.

Astrology is study of Time too, isn't it? Can you highlight how the motions of the planets and the stars impact the energies that flow into the life of an individual at various times/phases through the span of time on earth?

I would like to try to understand a bit, the correlation between time, freewill and predetermination.

I would say that the planets are subject to linear time as we are. (Interesting, I've not consciously contemplated what a planet is in time/space. Thank you for that). I do love astrology, but I am not one to view it much as the planets impacting us as much as I view it as the motions symmetrically reflecting the same inflow/outflow of intelligent energy that we experience.

Each planet has such a wonderfully unique set of traits- orbits, revolutions, rotations, etc. My main stress upon astrology is that it is just as complex as the formation of life itself, and CLUES to these complexities are useful and by no means, precisely accurate. I do so love astrology above all other practices, and I will say without a doubt that I could show you much about how it reveals the archetypical mind. I would love to do so. Perhaps your desire to understand the correlations has led your Higher Self to request you dive into Archetype studies. (I hope so, because if I haven't said it before, I LOVE archetype studies Smile Big Grin)

Quote:9.3 Questioner: The way that I understand the process of evolution is that our planetary population has a certain amount of time to progress. This is generally divided into three 25,000-year cycles. At the end of 75,000 years the planet progresses itself. What caused this situation to come about with the preciseness of the years in each cycle?
Ra: I am Ra. Visualize, if you will, the particular energy which, outward flowing and inward coagulating, formed the tiny realm of the creation governed by your Council of Saturn. Continue seeing the rhythm of this process. The living flow creates a rhythm which is as inevitable as one of your timepieces. Each of your planetary entities began the first cycle when the energy nexus was able in that environment to support such mind/body experiences. Thus, each of your planetary entities is on a different cyclical schedule as you might call it. The timing of these cycles is a measurement equal to a portion of intelligent energy.

This intelligent energy offers a type of clock. The cycles move as precisely as a clock strikes your hour. Thus, the gateway from intelligent energy to intelligent infinity opens regardless of circumstance on the striking of the hour.

19.20 Questioner: Is this then the root of what we call astrology?
Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full question of this session.

The root of astrology, as you speak it, is one way of perceiving the primal distortions which may be predicted along probability/possibility lines given, shall we say, cosmic orientations and configurations at the time of the entrance into the physical/mental complex of the spirit and at the time of the physical/mental/spiritual complex into the illusion.

This then has the possibility of suggesting basic areas of distortion. There is no more than this. The part astrology plays is likened unto that of one root among many.

Quote:76.9 Questioner: Is there, in Ra’s opinion, any present day value for the use of the tarot as an aid in the evolutionary process?
Ra: I am Ra. We shall repeat information. It is appropriate to study one form of constructed and organized distortion of the archetypical mind in depth in order to arrive at the position of being able to become and to experience archetypes at will. You have three basic choices. You may choose astrology, the twelve signs, as you call these portions of your planet’s energy web, and what has been called the ten planets. You may choose the tarot with its twenty-two so-called Major Arcana. You may choose the study of the so-called Tree of Life with its ten Sephiroth and the twenty-two relationships between the stations.

It is well to investigate each discipline, not as a dilettante, but as one who seeks the touchstone, one who wishes to feel the pull of the magnet. One of these studies will be more attractive to the seeker. Let the seeker, then, investigate the archetypical mind using, basically, one of these three disciplines. After a period of study, the discipline mastered sufficiently, the seeker may then complete the more important step: that is, the moving beyond the written in order to express in an unique fashion its understanding, if you may again pardon the noun, of the archetypical mind.
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05-02-2011, 08:13 AM,
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(05-02-2011, 08:03 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:  I do so love astrology above all other practices, and I will say without a doubt that I could show you much about how it reveals the archetypical mind. I would love to do so.

Then will you use this thread to do so, please? I request you. I too am deeply interested in the study of archetypes.

In fact, I remember that Ra told Don that the 12 planets of astrology could be used to study the archetypes, apart from the tarot and the Kaballah.

Of course, Don chose the tarot. Will you expand my/our knowledge of the archetypes by disclosing what you know about the subject through your study of astrology, please?

I personally think Time is one of the great reagents of the archetypes.
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05-02-2011, 12:32 PM,
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(05-02-2011, 08:13 AM)Confused Wrote:  
(05-02-2011, 08:03 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:  I do so love astrology above all other practices, and I will say without a doubt that I could show you much about how it reveals the archetypical mind. I would love to do so.

Then will you use this thread to do so, please? I request you. I too am deeply interested in the study of archetypes.

Well, OTOH a new Subject for the Astrology information might pull in some folks who wouldn't know it's under the Time subject.

A suggestion is 'Astrology and the Archetypical Mind.'
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05-02-2011, 12:49 PM,
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(05-02-2011, 12:32 PM)kycahi Wrote:  A suggestion is 'Astrology and the Archetypical Mind.'

I very much like your suggestion, kycahi. May be 3 would consider it favorably and start a new thread to share his knowings with us.
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05-02-2011, 12:59 PM,
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Hehehe. We understand your query. We can do nothing to suggest which questions you should ask. Please ponder on the idea that this entity which you call monkey could offer you answers as to the relation of astrology and archetypes. Proceed from this pondering. Tongue
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05-02-2011, 01:08 PM,
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(05-02-2011, 12:59 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  Hehehe. We understand your query. We can do nothing to suggest which questions you should ask. Please ponder on the idea that this entity which you call monkey could offer you answers as to the relation of astrology and archetypes. Proceed from this pondering. Tongue

OK, here is the first question I can think of. Does the notion of Time have an archetype in the astrological zodiac? That is, is the influence of time on spiritual evolution represented by some symbol that hides more than it reveals?
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05-02-2011, 01:14 PM,
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I can't think of an archetype to represent time. Archetypes are for revealing functions of min body and spirit.

The twelfth house represents spiritual evolution in a sense, "astral work" is here. It's sign is Pisces. It's planet, Neptune. It is where work dissolves into Self/One.
Most like to call it karma and hidden enemies. Terms that "haunt" at meaning.
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05-02-2011, 01:18 PM,
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(05-02-2011, 01:14 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:  Archetypes are for revealing functions of min body and spirit.

OK, let us start from basics.

How do archetypes do what you stated above? We will take it slow as this is a difficult subject for me Sad

If you are not immediately interested in replying or feel saturated by the questions, then please take your own leisure. I am in no hurry on this, but would like to enjoy a thorough conversation with you over a period of time.

Thank you, 3
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05-02-2011, 02:31 PM,
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Our perception of time is probably the Experience of the Mind. Unless time itself is catalyst, then it would be Catalyst of the Mind.
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05-02-2011, 02:43 PM,
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I would make another thread for archetypes.
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05-02-2011, 02:43 PM,
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It's for the body too, Gemini Wolf.

Spirit is the more time/space of the three.
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05-02-2011, 08:20 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-02-2011, 08:23 PM by Confused.)
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(05-02-2011, 02:31 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:  Our perception of time is probably the Experience of the Mind. Unless time itself is catalyst, then it would be Catalyst of the Mind.

How does time itself become the catalyst? Is it linked to the Wheel of Fortune?
(05-02-2011, 02:43 PM)Icaro Wrote:  I would make another thread for archetypes.

Good idea. Kycahi too suggested that. And I think many people will be drawn towards such an interesting topic and I am sure folks hold a wealth of understanding and insights on the area.
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05-03-2011, 10:30 AM,
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(05-03-2011, 09:58 AM)Icaro Wrote:  lol..yeah i had nothing to add.

I am sure you have something to add on the archetypes. At least you are adding modesty in good measure.

Thanks for enriching the conversations, Derek Smile

Let us see what 3 comes up in his leisure!
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