12-26-2012, 12:02 PM
(12-25-2012, 10:41 PM)Confused Wrote:Quote:16.51 Questioner: Could you define the word density as we have been using it?
Ra: I am Ra. The term density is a, what you would call, mathematical one. The closest analogy is that of music, whereby after seven notes on your western type of scale, if you will, the eighth note begins a new octave. Within your great octave of existence which we share with you, there are seven octaves or densities. Within each density there are seven sub-densities. Within each sub-density, seven sub-sub-densities, and so on infinitely.
So what is being described here is simply the Flower of Life system of connecting circles. Each circle/field is a density, and by Design process it can be minimized and maximized into infinite proportions.
So why is there even any consideration of trying to number them from one to eight in the first place? if eight is the maximum it can expand, then it is not infinite, and according to the design with which I am familiar, that procession and expanding factor can go on and on until one chooses to step the process.
(12-25-2012, 10:46 PM)Cyan Wrote: The real question I have is this.
IS there, after all your observations into time, an actual other SELF that is real, or is just an illusion generated by the echoing mechanism.
That is, are we actually talking To someone or talking with ourselves through the mirroring systems of self.
As per your best estimate. Is there a real actual other self in the process involved at any point?
Cyan, THIS is precisely what I have been trying to elaborate in my thoughts around this whole matter.
You ask and observe a very complex and confusing issue, but I think that we create the confusion ourselves in the way that we attempt to identify ourselves.
If we realized that there is no need to adopt any of these temporary identities at all, we would not have the drama of trying to solve the dilemma of true self.
The question which you asking and the very astute observation which you are making here, is solved in my understanding, as far as I am concerned anyway, by realizing that we are not any self or identity at all, but simply the mere process of being. We are a process taking place. An event occurring. Not an identity at all.
And THAT reality is this 'otherself' which Ra constantly refers to. Our 'self' is our delusion that we have an identity at all. And our 'otherself' is that reality that we are not a self at all but rather just a process.
A process does not have an identity.
So when you ask about communication between the two, what you are really observing and speculating on is the intricate details of an ongoing divine process established by The One and only true self; The One Consciousness responsible for all existence, and the process of being which is its continuing infinite experience as fragmented aspects of its own consciousness.
I am very pleased that you are so close to realizing this because it is very difficult for many here to grasp. The veil has some strange hold on one's ability to comprehend this reality and probably for very good reason having to do with the evolutionary process and development of the fragmented fields of consciousness.
(12-26-2012, 06:09 AM)Ankh Wrote:(12-25-2012, 08:38 PM)ShinAr Wrote: If the field acquires totality awareness in 8th density, why then would there be a need to assist its 7th density progression?
According to Ra, an entity reaches awareness of the Creator, which is all that there is, already in 7D (Ra, 16:23). In mid-7D, an entity stops looking back and turns itself to the Creator (Ra, 37:6). 8D is, in its later stages, a beginning of the new octave (Ra, 28:15). A mind/body/spirit complex totality is a being of 7D, and can assist its own Higher Self, a mid-6D entity, if called upon. All are the same being, the entity undergoing experience before mid-6D, Higher Self which is a mid-6D entity, and the 7D mind/body/spirit complex totality. In other words, there is no mentioning of the 8D being assisting its own 7D progression in the Ra material...
I hear what you're saying Anhk, but regardless of the number designations my question remains to be answered.
To what purpose is the effort to assist its lower state of being in the process, when it has already acquired that higher state of being?
And the very fact that we are talking about One Entity and One process in the first place just further exhausts the whole need to assist the lower progression.
Do not misunderstand me here my friends, I am not suggesting that we do not receive higher guidance. Any that know me also know that I have a very close connection with my guides.
My point here is focused on the aspect of the process of 'As above, So below', and my understanding that when we are talking about the One process and self, we create our own confusions and dilemmas by attempting to add our delusional identity into this One process of One Self.
The guidance is not the future aspect of our temporary delusional identity returning to assist through the process. There is no fulfilled future. the future remains to be stepped into and a Mystery awaiting choice and process.
The guidance is simply The One Consciousness working within the Divine Design as fragments, offering information/memory/experience to us, which we must then discern, and use according to the limitations and boundaries established within the design.
The Process of Being, the Flower of Life, can be traveled in many directions and pathways, but there is no procession within that design that takes one into the future or the past. It is simply the evolving aspect of the fragments caught up in the Design. At various stages of this evolving process fields become more capable and transform accordingly. But they are not becoming future aspects of temporary selves. They are simply evolving fields of consciousnesses activating more advanced aspects and processes as they evolve.
And each expansion or transformation from one state of being into another is a density within many sub-densities and higher densities yet to be achieved.
And The One Consciousness exists as the Only Self experiencing this infinite process within its own established design; a design that was deliberately created in such a way that it can be forever evolving and developing, which means that even The One continues to evolve, which means that there is no set, accomplished future. It remains to be created as The One Consciousness continues to evolve into Infinite Mystery.
With that understanding I cannot see sense in attempting to designate numbers and order to various octaves or densities.
to what end do we do this?