10-02-2011, 10:21 PM
(10-02-2011, 11:43 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Things develop as a course of nature, yes. One person can become aware of their needs, but I do not see it as a checklist where one can mark it off and move upward beyond others or beyond previous self; it is simply a new mixture of energy.I'm not sure I follow. If it's not you, then are you channeling an entity which is attributing power goals, and foolish transcending of ego, and checklists to the process of development as I am stating it? lol, seriously though. Seems like you are creating these things to me? These things are indeed not necessary, yet you introduced them, apparently as a reaction to some illusory, foolish view of development (which doesn't exist). So, of course, that's certainly projection, and I called you out on it because such a characterization is a separate 'straw man' for some other tangential notion (presumably some fixation on an ego issue). And how is that limiting my honesty? It's like saying someone that has been to the moon is necessarily on a power trip because they have been somewhere else. Yet such a person may have something to share and may not be on a power trip. And, yes, that is an illusion, but that's what povides learning.
This attachment idea you are projecting is limiting your honesty. I'm not creating these things.
(10-02-2011, 11:43 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I am using words to express my point of view. Perhaps you are giving too much weight to precise word choice.Has nothing to do with being precise. You are talking about hypocrisy with your creation of some kind of illusory, foolish attitude. You are the one bringing up a "checklist" idea. Do you see? I am maintaining that you are talking about something different than what I'm talking about. So we are not communicating. Also, first you say there is no development, then you say there is development. Perhaps you could clarify what is going on there?
(10-02-2011, 11:43 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: The hypocrisy is in that these "pioneers" supposedly "trying to create a bridge back" are actually creating the honest reality for themselves where "people frame them as ____". The honesty is that their "bridge" is their own personal bias and not a "bridge" at all.It's a "metaphor". Do you not understand that someone who has been to a place that another has not bothered to go, may, in fact have something to offer in the form of an opportunity? Such is the nature of experience and learning. (Ra's teach/learning). Healing opportunities work similarly.
(10-02-2011, 11:43 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: You have created the need for society expanded consciousness. I say it already is expanded as it resides in reality now.But it was never in that sense at all. It is a need to communicate just as Ra's 'pain in the leg'. Learning results in expanded consciousness/awareness. It is expanded, socially, to the extent that society has become aware in that 'racial mind'. That extent is, of course, limited. Yet it is evolving, as we all are here. Some slower than others, some faster than others. Whether or not one views such evolution as a goal or necessity is completely irrelevant to the evolution itself. There is a new context that results from evolution. That's the way it is. Is it "better"? No. That is not the point. Is it illusory? Yes. That is also not the point.
(10-02-2011, 11:43 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: No, Ra admits they see no separation, e.g. between adult and child. The discovering of needs are simply discovery. These needs can be anything, and it does not matter what they are. One need is not more highly esteemed than another. The desire to establish a society consciousness of honest interaction in one need. The desire to go to war and destroy is another need. They are equal in that they are expressions of experience, and they do develop over accumulated catalyst.Yes, this is obvious with respect to experience. Needs do change, however based on what has been accepted.
(10-02-2011, 11:43 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: You may have your own projections towards my use of "the pot calling the kettle black". To be clear, we all do it, and the fact that we do it is what honestly defines our "third density" existence.We all do it, that projective mechanism is the default 'how we get something out of the experience'. We enjoy the veiling's constraints, yes. Existence itself is, again, an evolutionary thing. For example, there is the ability to see projection, then there is the later ability to work with it more effectively. The separation is eventually embraced or accepted, and a change occurs which is not very common. There is indeed a difference between the society which results from embracing projective mechanisms, and those which unconsciously engage in it. Acknowledging such a difference is not separative or foolish. It's just a recognition of the obvious.
(10-02-2011, 11:43 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: What does everlasting entity existence have to do with anything? For one, it is THE motivation for anyone trying to do "work" with their spirit.Well, what is compelling is what is motivating.
(10-02-2011, 11:43 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: It is this concept that Ra has used to give meaning to Harvest. It is this concept that that gives meaning to Densities. It is this concept that facilitates faith and gives one purpose. It is what makes us seekers. It has everything to do with everything, and yet can never be found.Not sure I follow. There is no meaning there really as it does not reflect something to learn. It's a state.
(10-02-2011, 11:43 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I see its effects and understand the purpose of these effects in humankind's psyche. ... Without it, there is nothing. I am living in the nothing. (It isn't a sad place because I am doing what I want to do, i.e. all that bias stuff that everyone else is doing). If there is a state of my being away from this body, in time/space, I tell that being "put up or shut up".'Been there, done that'. Life goes on after that initial discovery. The effects evolve as our processing of the effects evolve. There is simply more if we are willing to give ourselves more.
Again, it is not about 'power' or hierarchy or 'here' denying 'there' unless you somehow want it to be. This is not the necessity which you are claiming. That is what I wanted to clear up. The circle is a spiral. There are indeed those which have an experience which subsumes other's current experiences (with respect to logos integration) and are therefore able to offer opportunities which would otherwise not be provided. Is that important? Not if you do not want it to be.