2012: Keeping it positive
12-25-2008, 08:02 PM,
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2012: Keeping it positive
Greetings to everyone!

There seems to be a lot of (apparently) STS-oriented, sensationalistic stuff out there about 2012. Just recently, I was in a movie theater and saw a preview for a movie entitled '2012' that appeared to be all "the world is ending" doom-and-gloom. And there is plenty of it on the internet. As the date draws nearer, we'll likely be seeing more of that negatively-focused stuff, whose purpose seems to be to instill fear.

I thought we could discuss ideas on keeping our environments and attitudes positive, amidst such negative or mixed-polarity messages in the entertainment industry and mass media.

I used to be really caught up in a lot of the behind-the-scenes STS activity, and that probably was not a very good use of energy! What helped me a lot was a transcript from Q'uo (from about a year ago) about how empires come and go, and most of us probably don't need to concern ourselves too much with them, because helping to raise the vibration of the planet is far more important. Anyway, as the vibration is raised, world events will begin to reflect that.

I feel a lot more optimistic now, ever since around the time of the election. It almost feels to me like we had been heading off-course (as Q'uo said, they were trying to take us off-course...keep us from rejoining the path to 4D positive), but the course seems to have shifted to positive...I felt a tangible lightening...everywhere I look I perceive a lightness that I did not perceive before...Has anyone else observed this?
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12-25-2008, 09:49 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-25-2008, 09:55 PM by Bring4th_Steve.)
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(12-25-2008, 08:02 PM)DreamingPeace Wrote:  Greetings to everyone!

There seems to be a lot of (apparently) STS-oriented, sensationalistic stuff out there about 2012...

...Has anyone else observed this?

Oh, definitely!! Those who haven't seen through this "fleecing" are probably the folks that won't be visiting here for a little while still.

I will add this, though. I am a great believer in the concept that we experience everything, both good and bad, allows ourselves to look at where we stand on any given catalyst that enters our lives.

The first example I ever experienced that really rang true for me came from when I read Neal Donald Walsch's "Conversations with God" about 10 years ago. The example used was something to the effect of, "You can't know one thing, unless you know its polar opposite." In other words, how do I know if something is hot, if I never experienced cold? How do I know what love is, if I have never felt hate? And the list goes on...

The same thing is happening right now with the media. To me, the news is nothing more than a huge catalystic engine that is constantly spewing out topics that weave into our reality. And it is up to us to look at these topics and recognize ourselves in them, or to reject them. It's the, "Who am I, and Who am I Not?" idea of reflecting on one's experiences.

The other twist is that all of the negativity that you perceive may not be negative to someone else! Who's to judge that an apocalyptic 2012 movie is really STS? This means we are really judging our own relative experiences and reactions. The fact that you are noticing these "negative" movies, media releases, horrible acts taking place in the world, are signs that you are moving even further away from being "in the middle." I would argue that the more you polarize, the more you are going to feel as if the world is one big harp of negativity! That is, until our consensus reality comes to the same conclusions that love is the answer instead of fear, and the negative vibrations lessen day by day.

That's where I feel the new age is going to really help with that.

Just a thought, I could be totally wrong for one person, but right for another who resonates with my feelings. It's a relative perception, for sure! But one that is hopefully close to the truth.

Steve
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12-26-2008, 01:13 AM,
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(12-25-2008, 09:49 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote:  To me, the news is nothing more than a huge catalystic engine that is constantly spewing out topics that weave into our reality. And it is up to us to look at these topics and recognize ourselves in them, or to reject them. It's the, "Who am I, and Who am I Not?" idea of reflecting on one's experiences.

Exactly!

I think this choosing is part of our task...in creating the new 4D reality.

Steve, what do you think of the 4D reality already in existence? Is it right here, among us but in a higher vibration so we can't see it? Is it a matter of attuning ourselves to it? With the universe being holographic...
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12-26-2008, 02:45 AM,
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Quote:Steve, what do you think of the 4D reality already in existence? Is it right here, among us but in a higher vibration so we can't see it? Is it a matter of attuning ourselves to it? With the universe being holographic...

Well, you'll find that many people have different beliefs on this. I like to keep to the Ra material as much as possible, so my belief is rooted in the following quote from the LOO series:

Quote:62.29 Questioner: Yes.

Ra: You must see the Earth, as you call it, as being seven Earths. There is red, orange, yellow, and there will soon be a completed green color vibratory locus for fourth-density entities which they will call Earth. During the fourth-density experience, due to the lack of development of fourth-density entities, the third-density planetary sphere is not useful for habitation since the early fourth-density entity will not know precisely how to maintain the illusion that fourth-density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third-density.

Thus in fourth-density the red, orange, and green energy nexi of your planet will be activated while the yellow is in potentiation along with the blue and the indigo.

To me, this makes it clear that fourth density is already in existence, as it is one of the 7 frequency bands that defines each density. I personally believe that all 7 bands of frequencies are interlaced amongst each other on our planet, so yes, it would be right here among us.

From your question though, it sounds like you are asking about physically seeing fourth density with our own eyes. Ra hints at something interesting in the last part of that quote:

Quote:the early fourth-density entity will not know precisely how to maintain the illusion that fourth-density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third-density.

Did you catch that? 4th density beings are maintaining an illusion for us 3rd density beings that 4th density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available on our planet. This has me believe that we are not physically able to see 4th density with our own eyes. My best guess is that we can tap into the essence of it through forms of meditation and living with an open heart center.

The visual that comes to mind is a puffy white cloud in a blue sky. Let's call that 3rd density. Let's suppose the cloud changes its state by evaporating into a gas. Technically, the cloud is still in the air, but it's vibrating at a different frequency than what we would see in its denser state. And much like how we can't see a cloud in gas form, I feel we can't see 4th density from a physical standpoint, even though it is still coexisting with us in a different vibration.

Now with that in mind, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that as our veil is thinning due to the current density approaching fourth, that people are more easily experiencing hints of fourth density by living more in love every day and crystallizing their green ray centers. Or that those who have already graduated and reincarnated here to assist with the harvest as wanderers, crystal kids and indigo children possess the wisdom to tap into 4D consciousness. If someone has any direct experience in this area, I would be very interested in hearing about it!

Otherwise, I hope my personal feelings were able to provide a little food for thought!

Steve
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12-29-2008, 03:58 PM,
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(12-26-2008, 01:13 AM)DreamingPeace Wrote:  Steve, what do you think of the 4D reality already in existence? Is it right here, among us but in a higher vibration so we can't see it? Is it a matter of attuning ourselves to it? With the universe being holographic...

DreamingPeace, here's another quote I just found from a Q'uo session:

Quote:We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query, my brother. From the preceding answer, you may perhaps guess that we shall inform you that there is a very easy way to judge as to how close you are to fourth density. You are in fourth density, my friends. You are in third-density bodies and so are not able to see the incredibly beautiful infant fourth-density Earth that interpenetrates third density at this time.

So there's some additional validation for you! Smile

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01-02-2009, 12:21 PM,
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(12-29-2008, 03:58 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote:  
(12-26-2008, 01:13 AM)DreamingPeace Wrote:  Steve, what do you think of the 4D reality already in existence? Is it right here, among us but in a higher vibration so we can't see it? Is it a matter of attuning ourselves to it? With the universe being holographic...

DreamingPeace, here's another quote I just found from a Q'uo session:

Quote:We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query, my brother. From the preceding answer, you may perhaps guess that we shall inform you that there is a very easy way to judge as to how close you are to fourth density. You are in fourth density, my friends. You are in third-density bodies and so are not able to see the incredibly beautiful infant fourth-density Earth that interpenetrates third density at this time.

So there's some additional validation for you! Smile

Steve

Did Ra actually say what that 'easy way' was? Can you clarify? Thanks!
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01-02-2009, 01:08 PM,
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Quote:...there is a very easy way to judge as to how close you are to fourth density.... You are in fourth density, my friends. You are in third-density bodies and so are not able to see the incredibly beautiful infant fourth-density Earth that interpenetrates third density at this time.

Did Ra actually say what that 'easy way' was? Can you clarify? Thanks!

DreamingPeace, I interpreted Q'uo's "easy way" as in, we're already in fourth, which can't get any easier than that to judge!

I think if you italicize the "are", it answers the question a little better.. What do you think?

...there is a very easy way to judge as to how close you are to fourth density.... You are in fourth density, my friends.

To me, that says, "Can't get any easier than that!" See the angle? Smile
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01-02-2009, 02:26 PM,
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(01-02-2009, 01:08 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote:  
Quote:...there is a very easy way to judge as to how close you are to fourth density.... You are in fourth density, my friends. You are in third-density bodies and so are not able to see the incredibly beautiful infant fourth-density Earth that interpenetrates third density at this time.

Did Ra actually say what that 'easy way' was? Can you clarify? Thanks!

DreamingPeace, I interpreted Q'uo's "easy way" as in, we're already in fourth, which can't get any easier than that to judge!

I think if you italicize the "are", it answers the question a little better.. What do you think?

...there is a very easy way to judge as to how close you are to fourth density.... You are in fourth density, my friends.

To me, that says, "Can't get any easier than that!" See the angle? Smile

Oh! I get it! Thanks! Smile
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01-08-2009, 02:44 AM,
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(01-02-2009, 02:26 PM)DreamingPeace Wrote:  ...there is a very easy way to judge as to how close you are to fourth density.... You are in fourth density, my friends.

To me, that says, "Can't get any easier than that!" See the angle? Smile


Oh! I get it! Thanks! Smile

Wow, interesting! So what then does the 2012 year mean, according to Q'uo?
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01-25-2009, 10:07 PM,
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I want to keep it positive, too.

I'm new here.

There are different dimensions here that we can't see. Have you ever seen a ghost? If you have, you'll notice that they are on a plane of existance about one foot above ours. I'm not the only one who's seen something like that. So, yes, there are other dimensions, but most of us can't seem them.
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01-25-2009, 10:20 PM,
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I know the 4D shifting into 5D is here as everything is happening faster and there is a definite telepathic emergent ability that is evident in everyday life happening on a grand scale...

Also, I do a technique called Ho'Oponopono whenever I am faced with negativity that effects me... It seems to clear the air and my mind and assist me and the world around me in integrating and filling with Light.

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01-26-2009, 07:05 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-27-2009, 05:44 AM by full moon.)
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(01-25-2009, 10:20 PM)fairyfarmgirl Wrote:  I know the 4D shifting into 5D is here as everything is happening faster and there is a definite telepathic emergent ability that is evident in everyday life happening on a grand scale...

Also, I do a technique called Ho'Oponopono whenever I am faced with negativity that effects me... It seems to clear the air and my mind and assist me and the world around me in integrating and filling with Light.

fairyfarmgirl

How do you do this technique? I've been flooding myself with light. I'm thread and the sun is the eye of the needle. I pass myself through it. I thereby saturate myself with light and rid myself of the negativity that's been plaguing me.
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03-28-2009, 12:53 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-28-2009, 12:54 PM by starmania.)
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Is anyone else here getting this, It seems I am like some kind of magnet to Negatives, Ive joined a few forums in order to maybe help others, however I find my posts are usually replied to by Negatives who then set out to discredit my posts, or put some kind of doubts on them. It also seems like I am constantly having to get negatives away from me, I never disclose myself as being a wanderer, I merely try to help others. Is it me or is this happening to others.
On this topic here, I can see into other dimensions mainly at night, but its not clear as such, it is mostly from a distance when I get to where I saw the entities , theyre no longer there.
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03-28-2009, 02:56 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-28-2009, 02:58 PM by Monica.)
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(01-25-2009, 10:07 PM)full moon Wrote:  I want to keep it positive, too.

I'm new here.

There are different dimensions here that we can't see. Have you ever seen a ghost? If you have, you'll notice that they are on a plane of existance about one foot above ours. I'm not the only one who's seen something like that. So, yes, there are other dimensions, but most of us can't seem them.

Welcome, full moon!

I haven't seen ghosts but I've seen other entities...probably a lot of us here on the forum have.

Hey we're about to start the chat with Carla - hope you can join us! Just click on the 'chat' button at the top.
(03-28-2009, 12:53 PM)starmania Wrote:  Is anyone else here getting this, It seems I am like some kind of magnet to Negatives, Ive joined a few forums in order to maybe help others, however I find my posts are usually replied to by Negatives who then set out to discredit my posts, or put some kind of doubts on them. It also seems like I am constantly having to get negatives away from me, I never disclose myself as being a wanderer, I merely try to help others. Is it me or is this happening to others.
On this topic here, I can see into other dimensions mainly at night, but its not clear as such, it is mostly from a distance when I get to where I saw the entities , theyre no longer there.

Hi starmania! Has that happened here? We are trying to keep the atmosphere positive here at Bring4th.

And I would love to hear more about your experiences!
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03-28-2009, 07:30 PM,
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No its not happening on this forum but others on the www. I shall add my story of awakening ,later.
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03-28-2009, 08:42 PM,
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In one way or another I think we've all encountered this negativity. A most interesting question to me would be how to efficiently deal with it.. If anyone has ideas or strategies I'd love to know. I personally just try to ignore the negative. But that's not always working obviously. Undecided
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03-28-2009, 09:52 PM,
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Well, I use a technique called Ho'oponopono... It is a method of that entails taking responsibilty for all is One... it is Huna practice. I am just beginning... been doing this for 3 years or so and it works very well to deal with negativity.

To find out more about this click here... http://www.wanttoknow.info/070701imsorryiloveyoujoevitale and here http://www.ancienthuna.com/ho-oponopono.htm

I also try to tune into the physical. The tatvas... of sight, sound, taste, hearing, touch, ether... I did this today before starting the ho'oponopono. I have been shedding stuff lately... stuff I did not even realize I had tucked away in the recesses of me to be processed later... well I guess now is later... LOL

I also follow sound or sight. Today I followed the sounds of the red headed finches that were busy chirping and building their nests... I follow the sound and well become like the bird in my consciousness... flying free happily building nests completely in the now.

So many ways to shed negativity within... A teacher once said to me " It is all in here (pointing to herself) there is NO out there (pointing away from herself).... So even though I sometimes slip into the belief of there is an out there... I know that my thinking is in error.

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08-29-2009, 11:45 PM,
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(12-25-2008, 08:02 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  Greetings to everyone!

There seems to be a lot of (apparently) STS-oriented, sensationalistic stuff out there about 2012. Just recently, I was in a movie theater and saw a preview for a movie entitled '2012' that appeared to be all "the world is ending" doom-and-gloom. And there is plenty of it on the internet. As the date draws nearer, we'll likely be seeing more of that negatively-focused stuff, whose purpose seems to be to instill fear.

This is my second experience dealing with these type of issues. I was raised a Jehovah's Witness and told that this world would be destroyed and the survivors would begin living in a "new system" beginning October 1975. The JW message was one of fear, death and destruction for most of humanity. I am not surprised to see similar propaganda related to 2012.
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08-30-2009, 08:03 AM,
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(08-29-2009, 11:45 PM)godexpressing Wrote:  This is my second experience dealing with these type of issues. I was raised a Jehovah's Witness and told that this world would be destroyed and the survivors would begin living in a "new system" beginning October 1975. The JW message was one of fear, death and destruction for most of humanity. I am not surprised to see similar propaganda related to 2012.

Since our expectations and intentions will be so important it seems only logical that some would try to turn our expectations and intentions towards the negative.
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12-14-2009, 10:37 PM,
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(12-25-2008, 09:49 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote:  
(12-25-2008, 08:02 PM)DreamingPeace Wrote:  Greetings to everyone!

There seems to be a lot of (apparently) STS-oriented, sensationalistic stuff out there about 2012...

...Has anyone else observed this?
The same thing is happening right now with the media. To me, the news is nothing more than a huge catalystic engine that is constantly spewing out topics that weave into our reality. And it is up to us to look at these topics and recognize ourselves in them, or to reject them. It's the, "Who am I, and Who am I Not?" idea of reflecting on one's experiences.

The other twist is that all of the negativity that you perceive may not be negative to someone else! Who's to judge that an apocalyptic 2012 movie is really STS? This means we are really judging our own relative experiences and reactions. The fact that you are noticing these "negative" movies, media releases, horrible acts taking place in the world, are signs that you are moving even further away from being "in the middle." I would argue that the more you polarize, the more you are going to feel as if the world is one big harp of negativity! That is, until our consensus reality comes to the same conclusions that love is the answer instead of fear, and the negative vibrations lessen day by day.

That's where I feel the new age is going to really help with that.

Just a thought, I could be totally wrong for one person, but right for another who resonates with my feelings. It's a relative perception, for sure! But one that is hopefully close to the truth.

Steve

Exactly. Well said !!!
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07-14-2011, 07:37 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-17-2011, 03:28 AM by Tenet Nosce.)
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(12-25-2008, 08:02 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  Greetings to everyone!

Greetings, Bring4th_Monica! Welcome to the forum!

I hope you are enjoying your Christmas, if you celebrate that sort of thing. I don't really like Christmas much, but I know that others do, and so I sometimes entertain them. But only in quick bursts. Mostly I don't like Santa Claus. OK I said it!

"Last" Christmas, I wrote Confessions of a 30 Year Old Fringe Dweller on another forum that discussed much of the Law of One. It shut down a couple months later on 02/22/08.

So this was the post that was sort of my personal tribute, summing up several themes we had discussed in the years gone past, into a piece of literary work. Names changed of course!

Consider it a gift from my past self to your future self. Or do I have that backwards, now?

Quote:There seems to be a lot of (apparently) STS-oriented, sensationalistic stuff out there about 2012. Just recently, I was in a movie theater and saw a preview for a movie entitled '2012' that appeared to be all "the world is ending" doom-and-gloom. And there is plenty of it on the internet. As the date draws nearer, we'll likely be seeing more of that negatively-focused stuff, whose purpose seems to be to instill fear.

I have observed the same. After watching that 2012 movie, it became clear to me how much inertia there is toward an apocalyptic view of 2012. It seems that nobody in the media is willing to step outside of the doom-and-gloom "box". This is what impulsed me to try to track this idea down, back through history, to see where it was sourced.

Strangely enough, the Ra communication is caught up in all of this! I mean, check out this quote from Session One. I think it says it all!

Ra Wrote:In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

May we enunciate this law in more detail?

Questioner: No.

Ra: I am Ra. Is there another query at this time?

Questioner: Can you comment on the coming planetary changes in our physical reality? [Noise of cassette tape being flipped.]

Ra: I am Ra. I preferred to wait till this instrument had again reached the proper state of depth of singleness or one-pointedness before we spoke.

The changes are very, very trivial. We do not concern ourselves with the conditions which bring about harvest.

I mean so right there you see Ra offering to converse more on the Law of One, but the Questioner says no and instead asks about earth changes! Even after Ra just said that such changes are very trivial. So you can see how Confusion creeps in on a single moment's lapse in one-pointedness of mind.

In my research, I have traced this distortion back to the historical eschatology found in the Judeao-Christian-Muslim (Abrahamic) line of thought as it contrasts to the mythical eschatology found, for example in the Hindu cosmology which posits a return to the Golden Age at the end of the cycle. Obviously, the Mayans also thought of time as cyclical, and not linear.

So maybe this whole thing has something to do with viewing time as either a circle or a straight line, when in reality it is a spiral.
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I shared some further thoughts on this idea here in More Positive but Less Harvestable.

Tenet Nosce Wrote:I am trying to say that Ra's actions are why the graph "goes flatline" when the remote viewers hit the end of 2012. Because of the abrogation of free will from the Ra contact, we are blind to the truth about 2012. Each must choose between the "original version" eventuated as the natural result of human evolution and the "apocalyptic version" created through the distortion of the Ra communication, through the unforeseen consequence of how it would be become twisted in Time in the minds of those not prepared to receive the Law of One. Moreover, I view the work of David Wilcock to be, in many ways, a continuation of the attempt to patch this Wrinkle In Time.

So, the "Curse of Ra" is also the "hidden key" to history which provides for a continuity of misguided thinking, framed in false eschatology, from the end of the Egyptian Old Kingdom to modern day.

Maybe in some way, Ra's intervention was a reflection of action taken in an even more distant time... the fabled Golden Age where the gods lived amongst men, and mated with them.

Tenet Nosce

Bring4th_Monica Wrote:I used to be really caught up in a lot of the behind-the-scenes STS activity, and that probably was not a very good use of energy! What helped me a lot was a transcript from Q'uo (from about a year ago) about how empires come and go, and most of us probably don't need to concern ourselves too much with them, because helping to raise the vibration of the planet is far more important. Anyway, as the vibration is raised, world events will begin to reflect that.
How do you feel now about having associated with STS activity in the past? Do think the experience made you more, or less, able to be involved with STO activity in the present?

Looking back from this vantage point, here in July 2011, do you feel that world events have indeed trended in that direction?

Bring4th_Monica Wrote:I feel a lot more optimistic now, ever since around the time of the election. It almost feels to me like we had been heading off-course (as Q'uo said, they were trying to take us off-course...keep us from rejoining the path to 4D positive), but the course seems to have shifted to positive...I felt a tangible lightening...everywhere I look I perceive a lightness that I did not perceive before...Has anyone else observed this?

Now how do you suppose they were trying to take us off course? Do you think we have rejoined the positive path by now? Or is the outcome still up in the air?

Yes, sometimes I also feel this lightness, as after 9/11. Except for some reason, it doesn't seem to stick around for very long. I wonder why that is?

Not too long ago I read a post by David Wilcock called China's October Surprise II: Earth's "Quarantine" Has Lifted. Curious to know what your thoughts are on it.

(03-28-2009, 12:53 PM)starmania Wrote:  Is anyone else here getting this, It seems I am like some kind of magnet to Negatives, Ive joined a few forums in order to maybe help others, however I find my posts are usually replied to by Negatives who then set out to discredit my posts, or put some kind of doubts on them. It also seems like I am constantly having to get negatives away from me, I never disclose myself as being a wanderer, I merely try to help others. Is it me or is this happening to others.
On this topic here, I can see into other dimensions mainly at night, but its not clear as such, it is mostly from a distance when I get to where I saw the entities , theyre no longer there.
Yes, this is a very strange phenomenon that I have also noticed in other forums. It seems like some people are doing this on purpose, but others don't seem to be aware of it.

There are certain fundamental patterns in the way that some people think that makes it nearly impossible to offer a new viewpoint. They immediately want to tear it down, create a counterpoint, draw lines in the sand, and pick sides. It just all happens automatically for them, without them even realizing it!

It really does concern me though, because when I think about the possibility of one day living in some sort of intentional community situation, I can't think of any way to keep those people out, or at least get them to keep their mouths shut long enough to actually learn something.

To said people, I am sure I just come off as arrogant and a know-it-all. I really couldn't care less if somebody agrees with me. I am more interested in the process by which we may come to reconcile our seemingly different beliefs.

But for some- they just go for the jugular right from the get-go. And then when you put them in their place, they whine and complain, and act like they are the victimized and oppressed ones. Life is all a smoke and mirrors game to them... even when it comes to love, light, and spirituality.

So what shall we do with these folks? I would like to hear what Ra has to say on that one!


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07-14-2011, 07:44 PM,
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those are the "debaters". they thrive on forums, why? because they can debate endlessly there! always someone there to argue against them, that to them is FUN. Tongue i learned years ago to let them go and not talk to them except in fairy whispers.
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07-14-2011, 08:16 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-15-2011, 12:31 AM by Tenet Nosce.)
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RE: 2012: Keeping it positive
(12-25-2008, 09:49 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote:  I will add this, though. I am a great believer in the concept that we experience everything, both good and bad, allows ourselves to look at where we stand on any given catalyst that enters our lives.

Agreed. There are many different kinds of catalyst.
We are unsure as to our success in realigning your modes of mentation.
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07-15-2011, 03:27 PM,
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RE: 2012: Keeping it positive
(07-14-2011, 07:44 PM)Oceania Wrote:  those are the "debaters". they thrive on forums, why? because they can debate endlessly there! always someone there to argue against them, that to them is FUN. Tongue i learned years ago to let them go and not talk to them except in fairy whispers.
Sometimes I think people kind of drop into it through no fault of their own. Especially so when certain topics come up for discussion.


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07-15-2011, 04:39 PM,
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RE: 2012: Keeping it positive
(12-25-2008, 08:02 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  Greetings to everyone!

There seems to be a lot of (apparently) STS-oriented, sensationalistic stuff out there about 2012. Just recently, I was in a movie theater and saw a preview for a movie entitled '2012' that appeared to be all "the world is ending" doom-and-gloom. And there is plenty of it on the internet. As the date draws nearer, we'll likely be seeing more of that negatively-focused stuff, whose purpose seems to be to instill fear.

I thought we could discuss ideas on keeping our environments and attitudes positive, amidst such negative or mixed-polarity messages in the entertainment industry and mass media.

I used to be really caught up in a lot of the behind-the-scenes STS activity, and that probably was not a very good use of energy! What helped me a lot was a transcript from Q'uo (from about a year ago) about how empires come and go, and most of us probably don't need to concern ourselves too much with them, because helping to raise the vibration of the planet is far more important. Anyway, as the vibration is raised, world events will begin to reflect that.

I feel a lot more optimistic now, ever since around the time of the election. It almost feels to me like we had been heading off-course (as Q'uo said, they were trying to take us off-course...keep us from rejoining the path to 4D positive), but the course seems to have shifted to positive...I felt a tangible lightening...everywhere I look I perceive a lightness that I did not perceive before...Has anyone else observed this?



Unfortunately. Obama, who hired half of Bush's staff and half of Clinton's staff, will not bring the Change we so desparately are seeking. Start brewing some tea cause the wait will continue...

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07-16-2011, 11:50 PM,
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RE: 2012: Keeping it positive
I think Obama will bring change eventually. He has a lot of crap to get through first - its not easy wading through the morass of Washington.
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07-17-2011, 07:35 AM,
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RE: 2012: Keeping it positive
I think that change can come only from the inside. No elected president will do things that are going to turn the world into a better place. There is no outside help in that larg scale, imho. People's minds cannot be changed that easily.

I think this might be the perfect topic to bring up my question.
I have joined this forum a few weeks ago, and when reading all the different posts, I have found a returning theme of "who is harvestable and who is not?". So the question: am I the only one who feels that this is more likely to bring fear than peace and love? Worrying about whether you are going to "make it" is exactly the opposite feeling that anyone might wanna feel, if they want to "maintain positivity".

There is so much beauty in this world, in this density. Yes, there is pain also, suffering, negativity, hurt, but at the end of the day, the "worst" thing that could happen to us is that we get to keep on living, again, and again, for at least another cycle. But no matter the density, there will be no negative consequences at all by "not making it". Being positive, spreading love all around the world and trying to dismiss all those programmed preconceptions that people have about each other might be more important, than worrying about some kind of Harvest.

So, do not get me wrong, whatever happens, I am "fine" with it (how can I be anything else, really... I am still alive), but anytime the Harvest discussion shifts into questions, I get the feeling that I should be worry, and I really do not wanna do that Smile
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