08-10-2012, 01:12 AM
(This post was last modified: 08-10-2012, 01:20 AM by godwide_void.)
Quote:You say that while in the void there was no light, just blackness, and then you say that the only light you could see seemed to be what could have been its two eyes, and then you go on to say that you are not sure if THOSE were galaxies or not.
That is not perpetual blackness, is it.
Next you speak of a canvas of blackness on which creation is painted. I realize that you are speaking metaphorically but Is a canvas to be painted on not a ‘thing’. Is that something left over from another creation? If nothing exists besides blackness, then what is this canvas? What is this void? And how can something prior to anything even being created be perpetually expanding?
I did not say that the only source of light I saw were "Its eyes", I specifically stated that the only forms of light embedded in It were the galaxies which adorned It. All these galaxies are subsequent manifestations of It. Its actual form/body/being is a void, a mass of infinitely expanding blackness. I describe It, the void, the One Infinite Creator, as being a canvas as it is what all "paintings" or creations are engraved in. I make mention of observing "eyes" because, as I have described in my experience many times before, every galaxy which lay scattered in this void appeared to compose a distinct face. Whether the galaxies which appeared as eyes had a literal function as eyes seems unlikely, and it's best left to the conclusion that it is otherwise. Again, from what my experience has revealed to me, the Creator is the void; you may say that peering into outer space is taking a gander at its innards, and the only light emanate from the galaxies or rather collectively from every celestial sphere contained in all galaxies. The void is the canvas of blackness, and it is ever expanding, and as it creates new "empty space", more creations manifest to fill that space, the arena of these creations being their own galaxies.
Quote:My thinking takes this into consideration and asks that we be certain that we are going all the way back as we speculate about this. How do you know that you are in a place ‘prior to’ creation in your experience, and not in the creation in its earliest stages?
I would actually suggest that I experienced the Creator as It 'currently' is, and am not placing any particular frame of time or estimating what phase I bore witness to. I do not believe that my experience breached the foetal stages of creation. I do know that I observed the One as it is at the moment which we are having this discussion, and I am content knowing that I have seen the original form of all forms of life, what observes through us all, and what precedes, sustains and follows all things.
Quote:When you say this,
“The unpotentiated source it draws upon to channel the light it uses, its blood, the intelligent energy, is not manifest unless (the void directs and projects it) as a manifestation on the fabric of intelligent infinity which is what sustains the All.”
It almost sounds as though you are now saying that the void is creating.
Of course. The One Infinite Creator is always creating, my friend! It is equated to the void to me. The canvas of the entire Creation is the void. Every thing and being which springs forth and exists does so within the boundless confines of the void.
Quote:Which leads to my answer to this question from you,
“By the way, Shin'Ar, when you refer to the Source, are you referring to the One Infinite Creator, or the mystery that It sprung from?”
What I am supposing is that The Source and the void are One and the same.
What spawns is the result of duality as ‘being proceeds from awareness’
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In this way of thinking there is no separation of light, love, will or any other aspect of creation or void.
Everything is simply an extension and expansion of The One. What is being debated here is the issue of what light is, and whether or not the void is ‘void’ of anything that was connected to the Source.
I think not. I do not even like to refer to it as the void. I think of it as Infinite Light. I think All is One. And I suggest that in the beginning there was Light. Infinite Light.
I see where the confusion is present. You're taking void to mean "nil" or containing nothing, while I'm using void as I would abyss or as an infinite sea of blackness. The One is the void and the Source, yet I'd assumed that you also were using the term Source to imply the state of infinity before it directed itself into manifesting the Creator.
Quote:Now that does not mean that it was brightness which would illuminate blackness. That means that within the blackness there was also light, which you yourself say that you saw as two eyes, and in my mind, I choose to call the plenum a blend of the two, light and darkness, rather than darkness alone, because Light is how the ancients refer to it in many religious cultures.
Think of this, why would light spawn from that which was absolutely void of light? What we are asking here is the same question as ‘where did matter come from when there was no matter at all?
My premise is that what we have now as creation is nothing more than the extension of what already existed infinitely, light. The only thing added to this is awareness/consciousness which resulted in duality which caused the energy for that light to move and alter.
Light may have been the essence of infinity pre-creation, but I will reiterate that the One Infinite Creator is itself not a vast being of light. As I've tried to clear up above, the only sources of light which I observed were those of the galaxies which littered Its form, a form which is an abyss of immense proportions. Is what we consider outer space made of light? We can account for much, much more darkness comprising space than of light, which largely emanates from stars, planets, suns. Before those planetary bodies gave off light, they were formed in the void of outer space through natural processes. Remember, that we exist within the Creator at this very moment. We are Its cells. What we call outer space should be properly considered "inner space", the inner space of the Creator. It is the container of the cosmos.
Quote:With regard to simultaneity I can only repeat what I have always stated, that if there is simultaneity than Infinity is not infinite. Simultaneity automatically suggest that all is finished and finalized in such a way that the beginning and end are available in some manner of experiencing time as a finished concept of experience.
If there is a completed system of events that can be experienced simultaneously, than that automatically denies the nature of Infinity and also the teachings of the Ancients which clearly declare that we exist within an infinite Mystery still unfolding, and our choices are not already manifest in some already experienced future.
The consideration of simultaneity doesn't go against your proclamation of an infinite mystery still unfolding; it is quite complimentary, in fact! As the metaprocess of being persists eternally, there are innumerable mini-processes happening. From the perspective of lower awareness, there are plenty of experiences that can be sectioned off into "individual" experiences with a discernible beginning and end. A race, for instance, has a beginning and an end to it. However, this is only from veiled awareness.
Shin'Ar, your perception is such that it encompasses a much more intricate understanding of the fluidity and sublimity of being which surpasses the perspectives of this veiled illusion. You see all as one fluid wave and rather than accounting for each individual ripple as appearing and coalescing back into the ocean, prefer to understand that the beginning and ending of all ripples occurs in a sea which knows neither and experiences only progression.
Ultimate simultaneity doesn't entail that events are played out side by side, such as a marathon and the viewing of a movie by the same being in parallel lives are happening at once, although this is so. It more properly refers to the notion that every individual moment that occurs, even with our perception of linear time and a distinct passage of time linking one event to the next, exist within the eternal moment which the Creator experiences. For instance, I perceive myself typing out this response from you. From my awareness, this is a specific event which is happening at a "different time" than the dinner I had last night. I can choose to section off each experience as "dinner beginning, dinner ending" or "post beginning, post ending", although this would be silly. I do not divide up each experience, as it is the same awareness undergoing each experience, and each experience befalls one continuum of awareness. We are thrust into individual happenings with their own set and setting. Yet, if linear time is only an illusion, why do we experience events in a certain sequence? We do, and this is ephemeral truth for us, because we are currently experiencing lower awareness, where we directly experience ourselves as temporary forms of flesh, not grand beings of light.
From the awareness of the Creator, the birth and death of our specific current incarnations has happened already. The specific moments which any of us graduated school, began a career, and signed up to the Bring4th.org forums, are all experiences which the Creator is experiencing simultaneously. It is experiencing them simultaneously because while it may have been "different people" having these experiences at "different times", It is every person undergoing every experience, and all time is experienced by It. It is not bound by any such restraints. Past, present, and future, are not concepts which have any bearing on Its complete awareness. All linearity is within it, occurring simultaneously, and the trillions upon trillions of different experiences happening every moment in the Creation are known to It with immediacy and ease.