Unbelievable moonbases and wrong science
11-13-2009, 06:14 PM,
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RE: Unbelievable moonbases and wrong science
(11-13-2009, 05:50 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  
(11-13-2009, 01:00 PM)fairyfarmgirl Wrote:  Cloaking devices are in existence. The Miltitary has them. The moon bases are cloaked with an energy signature that makes them invisible to us... unless we are looking with our minds not eyes.

That's so Star Trek! Wink Ha. But it definitely sounds plausible to me!

(11-13-2009, 01:00 PM)fairyfarmgirl Wrote:  The original builders of theses bases were the Draconians and the Greys. The bases are used for two things... creating hybrid bodies and clones and to change the spin of the Earth and Lunar cycle.

What is this assertion based on?

(11-13-2009, 01:00 PM)fairyfarmgirl Wrote:  Ever wonder why there are so many Vampire myths concerning full moons... All of the truth exists in the myths.

True...but there are also many positive associations with the Moon...Pagans have utmost reverence for the magickal powers of the Moon...the Moon as being reflective of our inner psyche...shadow self...mystical self...enhanced mystical perceptions, more profound dreams...feminine wisdom...so many myths and energies associated with the Moon.

I am in no way discounting any positive associations with the moon. I am simply presenting that which I have learned.

--fairyfarmgirl
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11-13-2009, 07:16 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-13-2009, 07:33 PM by Monica.)
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(11-13-2009, 12:34 PM)Lavazza Wrote:  The biggest block I have with the moon base idea is that if it were indeed true, many other things would not be true.

Like what? Can you give an example?

Lavazza, re: "understanding Carlas challenge thread, post #52 Wrote:The problem and (one of) the key differences is that I see is that it is not beyond our ability to disprove. We can't go back in time to examine Venus as it was during Ra's hayday, but we can look at the moon, and indeed even the dark side of the moon. Where are the bases?

We can? How? How can you and I go look at the moon?

Do you see what I'm saying? We can't.

We can only trust others to do it. NASA. WE can't prove or disprove anything unless we happen to own our own spaceship.

Lavazza, re: "understanding Carlas challenge thread, post #52 Wrote:what is the more likely explanation? That the government is hiding super futuristic, amazingly high-tech capabilities and has special bases on the moon or under the oceans, or that the comment made by Ra (for whatever reason, confusion, distortion, fill in the blank) was not correct?

Since you and I can't go to the moon ourselves, what it boils down to is: Whom do we trust? Do we trust Ra or NASA? Because either way, whatever we decide, we're going to have to take someone's word for it.

Respectfully, there seems to be a presupposition in your assertion: That the news we've been fed by the mainstream media (which came from NASA) is trustworthy.

I personally trust Ra waaaaay more than NASA!

If you prefer to trust NASA, that's cool! But it is a presupposition. Choosing to believe NASA's version isn't based on your own observation because you haven't actually been to the Moon. So it's still trust...just a matter of whom you choose to trust!

Lavazza, re: "understanding Carlas challenge thread, post #52 Wrote:Or lets examine the logical errors, if we have what I would call such high technology as to have secret bases on the moon, why are we still pouring billions of dollars in to space shuttle technology at NASA? Or the ISS (international space station)?

Hoagland's Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA addresses this in depth. It's a really great read! Meticulously presented and thoroughly researched. If you are interested in pursuing this topic, I would highly recommend this book as the best place to start. There are some supporting youtube videos as well, but there is also a lot of garbage on youtube (imo). I've been following Hoagland ever since the Mars stuff in the 80s and believe him to be among the most credible. His work regarding the Mars mathematics & physics is just stunning! and corroborates Nassim's work as well.

Lavazza, re: "understanding Carlas challenge thread, post #52 Wrote:With a government that gets sooo caught up with money problems when it comes to balancing the budget or passing new bills, providing health care, etc. does it make any sense at all to continue funding obsolete space technology?

The $$ isn't necessarily going where you think it's going. There is a lot unaccounted for, and more that's being redirected. The book addresses this. I don't remember the details exactly so I'll refer you to the book (2009 edition).

http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Mission-History-Enlarged-Revised/dp/1932595481/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258149967&sr=1-2

Lavazza, re: "understanding Carlas challenge thread, post #52 Wrote:The implications of the government having moon bases are so large and so far reaching... the only way they could possibly exist is a government cover-up so far reaching and widespread, and so fundamentally top secret as to be only possible in a work of fiction.

That's the same argument commonly used in attempts to refute 911. As with 911, the argument is easily dismantled. It has to do with a 'need to know' basis. Very few people hold all the pieces of the puzzle. And even then, there are still whistleblowers (many others besides Hoagland).

(11-13-2009, 12:34 PM)Lavazza Wrote:  (now to be fair, I just remembered this: http://benfrank.net/patriots/news/national/pentagon_missing_trillions which may compromise my last argument, lol! (see, I <b>am</b> trying... Wink))

This supports Hoagland's assertion that this 'lost' $$ is being used to maintain the moon bases (among other things).

(11-13-2009, 12:34 PM)Lavazza Wrote:  Millions of telescopes around the world from amateur astronomers point at the moon everyday on top of this. I find the idea that it could be so easily concealed implausible to the extreme (much less a base in our skies).

Think Star Trek! Big Grin

(11-13-2009, 12:34 PM)Lavazza Wrote:  ...there is such a thing as consensus reality that we all participate in to some degree. For example, we all agree that gravity pushes us down toward Earth, that the United States exists, and that dogs like chasing Frisbees. My point being, some things are, at least in our reality, true regardless of what someone else may think. I think?

That's a good question! I wonder about that! Or...is it like in What the Bleep and, as hypothesized by M Theory, that we all live in multiple realities overlapping one another?

I dunno!

But, aside from that, all it takes is to look around...Think about the everyday life of a homeless junkie...his reality is totally different from yours or mine. Or think about the huge disconnect between the Obama supporters and those who think he's the anti-Christ...these people read the same headlines and yet interpret the same events in totally opposite ways! One person rejoices at his overtures to the Muslim community, while another uses that as evidence that he's the anti-Christ!

Or look at diets...Vegetarians will cite Dean Ornish while meat-lovers cite Dr. Atkins...Ornish and Atkins have totally opposing viewpoints about animal foods in the diet...both cite studies, but interpreted in different ways...can they both be right?

Who knows? We live in distortion. We each see our own tiny sliver of the Truth. Who decides what consensual reality is? Isn't consensual reality based on numbers? If the majority of the population believes a certain way, do they believe it into existence?

And yet, there will always be those living in the same consensual reality who still somehow manage to create their own reality, despite what appears 'true' to everyone else! For example, how much of our consensual reality is believed by Aboriginal shamans to be true? How much more knowledge about other realities do shamans have?

At any rate, while most of us agree that certain things like the law of gravity are accepted as consensual reality, I don't think the question of who did 911 or whether there are moon bases fall into the realm of consensual reality. Why? Because there are too many unknowns, at this point. The law of gravity can be tangibly proven. Any of us can toss a ball into the air and see it fall and bounce, so we can all agree that there's gravity. The difference is that we can't do that with the moon bases issue or how the pyramids were built. We can only research, speculate, and try to put the pieces together. We can't prove any of those controversial issues tangibly and conclusively at this point...which is why they are confined to the realm of conspiracy theories!

(11-13-2009, 12:34 PM)Lavazza Wrote:  I'm not so certain the government is very good at concealing truths at all.

They're not! Which is why there are so many whistleblowers! As they say, The truth is out there. The problem has nothing to do with whether the govt. is successful at concealing truth, but whether the public cares about the truth. Most conspiracy theorists will tell you that, once you start digging into any of these controversies, and your eyes are opened to the vast amount of evidence that's out there, you will be amazed that the govt. hasn't been exposed. How can this be? It's because the public doesn't want to know! The truth is right there, in front of their noses, but most people just don't bother to look at it! The govt. isn't very good at hiding stuff at all...it's almost comical, once you start realizing just how many smoking guns there are in any of these controversial areas! I have often marveled at just how stupid they must think we are...to have left so many clues and outright proof. But none of that matters if people aren't interested in looking at it!

(11-13-2009, 12:34 PM)Lavazza Wrote:  Consider the UFO phenomenon, despite half a century of denial there is still a large and ever growing group of people who are hell bent on disclosure. Same goes for anything else that falls under conspiracy labels.

Right. And the same goes for the moon bases topic. It's there too! Plenty of people pursuing it as well!

(11-13-2009, 12:34 PM)Lavazza Wrote:  I haven't investigated this Hoagland person, but who else is speaking about this? Many people? Are as many people discussing moon bases as are people discussing UFOs or WTC conspiracies?

Yes, lots! Not nearly as many as are in the 911 Truth Movement (that's huge) or as many who believe themselves to be UFO abductees, since it's not as much of a hot button issue, but certainly lots! I don't remember the name, but I remember one ex-NASA scientist in particular who made a very compelling case. He seemed to be working independently of Hoagland. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find that particular video again. And there are lots of others that came up on the search that I have not bothered to watch, due to lack of interest. So I'd say the issue isn't nearly as well-researched as some of the hot button controversies like 911 and UFOs, but there are certainly a lot of people out there who do take it seriously, and some appear quite credible, from what I can tell.

(11-13-2009, 12:34 PM)Lavazza Wrote:  This is something that's an active catalyst for me at the moment. I do not know how others are able to make peace with something like this so easily,

I don't know about others and can only speak for myself. Maybe, in my case, because by the time I was 20 I knew about the Kennedy coverup (I had a friend whose father was murdered because of what he knew), then later I was a huge fan of Star Trek and The X-Files...and I always felt that much of the science in Star Trek was based on truth. So the idea of 'cloaked' moon bases just didn't sound far-fetched to me! After all, in Star Trek they had holodecks and cloaking devices, so why not? Then, probably around the time I read the formerly edited passages in Book 5, I had already developed a devoted trust in our Confederation friends, since I had read the Law of One 20 years prior and had kept up with the Q'uo channelings on and off throughout the years. I had chosen the Law of One as my spiritual foundation way back in 1985, based on the high degree of resonance I felt with the spiritual principles. I found virtually everything in it to be plausible, so when I read the additional passages about moon bases 20 years later, well, I pretty much took it in stride...didn't even raise an eyebrow for me at all!

Then, of course I can add to that my experience researching the 911 coverup. This was something I spent a great deal of time on. So...moon bases? That's nothing compared to 911! Who knows, maybe they're even connected, as some suspect!

So, that's my background. I just never found the subject of moon bases implausible at all.

As for the other issue you find hard to believe - the pyramids - I find Ra's account much, much, much more plausible than the mainstream version. And a couple of years ago saw a documentary that confirmed Ra's timetable...because of the water erosion the age was placed at 12-14,000 years, which roughly coincided with Ra's version. To me, that is so much more accurate than the mainstream story of 4000 years old built by slaves using primitive weapons, that a difference of +-1000 years or so is relatively negligible. The important point is that Ra provided a way to reconcile how the pyramids were built. I find Ra's version plausible, whereas the mainstream version is laughably ridiculous.

(11-13-2009, 12:34 PM)Lavazza Wrote:  especially considering the highly esoteric nature of the Ra contact.

It is the highly esoteric nature of the Ra contact that reinforces Ra's credibility, for me.

(11-13-2009, 12:34 PM)Lavazza Wrote:  ...imagine that you're reading the Ra material one day and all of a sudden your eyes fall upon a passage you never noticed before. It reads: "I am Ra. Hello LOO reader. We just wanted to let you know that if you open your left hand, you will find a shiny green M&M courtesy of your friendly local social memory complex. Adonai, Adonai." In many ways, this scenario with the M&M is about equal to the statement about moon, ocean, and sky(?) bases (and to perhaps a lesser extent, pyramids, maldak, and so on). At least, that's how I see it at the moment.

I understand that that would indeed create quite a quagmire! However I still don't quite understand why you consider the info about pyramids, Maldek, moon bases, etc. to be on the same level as the green M&M. So the question is: Why are these issues so difficult to consider plausible?

My suggestion is to simply do some research. I suggest starting with Hoagland, since he's intelligent and well-documented. Perhaps some research into some of the other conspiricies (such as 911 for example) might lend more credibility as well...if you find evidence for one govt. coverup, it's less of a stretch to believe them capable of others.

(11-13-2009, 12:34 PM)Lavazza Wrote:  Put simply, I'm attempting to make sense of how to accept information from an un-seen source when said source has given information that I know is (or at least strongly, strongly suspect) not true.

Ultimately, these subjects are transient. But, if they are getting in the way of fully appreciating the beautiful, spiritual gems in the Law of One, then I can see how such exploration might be very important to you.

(11-13-2009, 12:34 PM)Lavazza Wrote:  May well be that I have not fully mastered the art of 'putting it aside'. I do not hold any being as superior to myself or anyone else, so I cannot give Ra any more superiority than old Fred who hangs out at the bar on Wednesdays.

I don't think it has anything to do with superiority. I consider Ra as simply having a viewpoint that reaches farther than what I can currently see with my own eyes. Sort of like asking my friend who lives in Colorado to tell me what the weather's like there. Except, in this case, Ra sees multiple worlds and even timelines too!

(11-13-2009, 12:34 PM)Lavazza Wrote:  I equate a conversation with Fred as in some ways equal to a conversation with Ra, in the sense that if Fred starting talking about neon pink gnomes that live in his attic and heckle him in the night, I might question anything else he has to say as well. (this is why I seek explanations (i.e. distortion) for moon base comments)

Hmmm...that's where I would differ. If I know someone is, say, a brilliant musician, I don't negate his musical skill just because he doesn't know how to program a computer. My husband & I used to see a chiropractor who was so amazing that we mourned the loss when he died recently! He was an amazing healer in his chosen field! But yikes, every time we went to his office, I had to ask him to please turn off the radio...I didn't want to listen to Rush Limbaugh while he adjusted my back! My hubby and I wondered at the incongruency...his polticial views were so extreme...but hey, he was a fantastic chiroproactor!

(11-13-2009, 12:34 PM)Lavazza Wrote:  Often of late I have mentally pulled back so to speak, and looked at the entire package of information offered by Ra in perspective. When I get right down to it, although helpful at times, there is nothing included there that I <b>need</b> for my spiritual evolution. In that sense, it may be wiser on my part to take the whole thing less seriously. Indeed it was certainly my wish to take the Ra material seriously that created the emotional charge / catalyst for me in the first place.

Well, that's something only you can decide! I invite you to consider whether you might be missing something of value due to preconceived dogmas. Scientific and political dogmas can be just as confining as religious dogmas. For example, many people scoff at homeopathy just because the mainstream medical community doesn't accept it. But, if you research the issue, you'll find that the studies done on homeopathy were inherently flawed - they didn't take into consideration certain key principles that are crucial to understanding how it works - and yet there are many, many thousands of MDs who have millions of cases of clinical evidence that it does indeed work! Many people miss this clinical evidence because of their preconceived dogma that only that which is accepted by the mainstream is credible.

Ultimately, it's all about resonance...and what you choose to believe. In cases in which we don't resonate with something, we can either a.) take the useful parts and discard the rest, or b.) discard it altogether (effectively throwing the baby out with the bathwater), or c.) put the parts we don't like on a shelf for possible future reference (ie. pull it out every now and then for re-evaluation) or d.) see it as a challenge and actively expand the parameters of our paradigm, thus opening our mind to new possibilities...and possibly resonance with something that didn't resonate before.

No choice is any better than the others.
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11-14-2009, 12:35 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-14-2009, 12:36 PM by βαθμιαίος.)
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RE: Unbelievable moonbases and wrong science
I was thinking about this thread, and it occurred to me that the information about secret technology, etc. in some ways follows logically from the rest of what Ra says.

Specifically, if you accept that there is a system of densities with discrete boundaries between them, that we must choose to be positive or negative in order to progress through the densities, that we are currently in the veiled density of choice, and that our planet is quarantined, then it seems quite plausible that
  • there would be attempts by positive and negative forces from densities beyond our own to aid in technical ways
  • there would be attempts to reserve the resulting technology for the third-density elite
  • muddled military/intelligence thought would further confuse the matter
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11-15-2009, 02:06 AM,
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Responding to some thoughtful comments from Lavazza:

Quote:When I get right down to it, although helpful at times, there is nothing included there that I <b>need</b> for my spiritual evolution.

I agree that faith in the moonbase material is not a crucial step of spiritual evolution. I agree with Jim and Carla's decision to leave it out of the original books and to add it back with disclaimers. I also like that so much of the L/L Research materials includes a comment such as, "Please take whatever resonates with you and leave anything else aside, knowing that if you don't get the truth here it will still be available to you in a form you can accept."

Remember that in the moonbase passage, Ra described devices that include an assortment of vehicles and weapons. Ra said some are remotely operated. In other descriptions of UFO's, Ra discussed that some of them operate outside the limits of our 3D perceptions. Therefore, it's possible that "moon base" could refer to nothing more than some collection of remotely controlled technology, either inside the moon or in some alternate dimension or density. Such a "base" might not be visible, require manned operation, or even be very expensive to operate.

And David Wilcock refers to sources who claim extraterrestial activity involves some type of teleportation-related technology, rather than rockets through space. I'm not a physicist who can say for sure that such things could not possibly exist.

It's also consistent with the citation to suppose that the moon could be the only extraterrestial branch of a program that is highly compartmentalized, so most of the people involved would think their particular desert, mountain or ocean hideaway - with no more than a few dozen people - was the whole extent of the secret program.

Look at the WWII hiding of the Burbank airport. Is it so difficult to suppose that decades later, far more sophisticated camouflage could keep government secrets under wraps?

Given the known history of once-secret programs, the nature of service-to-self corruptions of hierarchical systems, and the sincere belief that keeping this technology secret is essential for national security, I could easily believe that a hundred people could keep something like this a secret.

The funding issue is irrelevant, given the many opportunities to pad a budget as large and complex as U.S. government funding. Sincere members of Congress and the civil service could well be bamboozled by these kinds of shenanigans, padding a hundred different legitimate line items by a percent or two each. Meanwhile, misguided people thinking they are saving humanity, or abusive empire-builders, would not care that a lot of taxpayer funding could have gone somewhere better.

I agree that my own personal growth is not dependent on whether I believe the moonbase material. I also don't see any reason to assume that it would take some astounding miracle to make this material believable. It seems well within the realms of physics and politics as I understand them.
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11-19-2009, 12:50 PM,
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Hello everyone!

While I still feel the moon base information is not factual I have softened my opinion somewhat in the last week or so in that I acknowledge that there is a possibility that it is factual. As mentioned earlier the larger topic (believability) has been an active catalyst and process for me, and I feel I have had a small breakthrough over the weekend. My prior approach was examining information and attempting to judge it as either not-true or true, with no area in between. I see now that this is a false choice. There is no need for me to make a decision or judgment at all. Instead, since I do not have an omnipotent ability to know all things it is far wiser to say "Could be" until such time as I can make an informed evaluation.

I have reached these sentiments with the aid of a close friend, and also some words of advice on the topic of gullibility and skepticism from one of my favorite spiritual teachers, the entity Bashar (channeled through Daryl Anka). In light of forum guidelines I will not post the youtube video link, but if anyone wishes to view it please e-mail me at mezza550@gmail.com (do not send a private message here, I will likely miss it)

As for most recent responses by Monica and friends, thank you! I will respectfully leave them without response as we would only be chasing each other around in a circle with the dialog. But I will say they are good responses you have made.

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11-19-2009, 01:49 PM,
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As I always explain to people.

210 billion suns in our galaxy.
251 billion galaxies, as far as we can see with the hubble, each containing up to more than a trillion suns each.

If one thinks we are alone in all of "known" creation, one chooses to be naive.
I would request for all of those reading my words, please guard well your thoughts. If my words resonate, then by all means take them and use them as you can. If they do not resonate, please let them fall away like water does from a ducks back, and move on. Love/Light, Adonai.
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11-19-2009, 11:08 PM,
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(11-19-2009, 12:50 PM)Lavazza Wrote:  As mentioned earlier the larger topic (believability) has been an active catalyst and process for me

Isn't it interesting how we can't predict what will be catalyst for someone else?

This topic seems to me something that happened to come up. It happened to be kind of interesting to discuss. For me, it's a puzzle like the crossword puzzle in the newspapers. Some days I completely fill in the puzzle. Some days I don't get some of the clues and a portion stays blank. Either way, my brain gets some exercise. Life goes on. Yet the topic inspired a small breakthrough for you.

Quote:the topic of gullibility and skepticism from one of my favorite spiritual teachers, the entity Bashar

I also enjoy much of the Bashar material that's available for free. Without linking to it here, I see that someone else summarized a recent Bashar talk which defined gullibility and cynicism. These were described as two ways to feel sure something is true, both with an arrogant refusal to examine the evidence. The gullible won't consider evidence against their preconceived judgment in favor of an idea. The cynical won't consider evidence against their preconceived judgment against an idea. Is this the concept that led to your small breakthrough?

Quote:My prior approach was examining information and attempting to judge it as either not-true or true, with no area in between. I see now that this is a false choice. There is no need for me to make a decision or judgment at all.

In addition to gullibility vs. cynicism as the two sides of arrogant preconception, there's also the practical question.

If you had 100% certain proof that there were moonbases as Ra described, how would you live your life differently? Unless you were already a muckraker or political reformer, my guess is, none. (If one was a crusader, of course, it would give something to crusade against.) Or what if you had 100% certain proof there never were moonbases? What change would that make in your life? Since you are looking for spiritual truth from many sources, and already consider any particular channeled message as potentially flawed, my guess is is would make no change at all for you.
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11-19-2009, 11:42 PM,
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(11-19-2009, 12:50 PM)Lavazza Wrote:  I have had a small breakthrough over the weekend.

Coolness!

(11-19-2009, 12:50 PM)Lavazza Wrote:  My prior approach was examining information and attempting to judge it as either not-true or true, with no area in between. I see now that this is a false choice. There is no need for me to make a decision or judgment at all. Instead, since I do not have an omnipotent ability to know all things it is far wiser to say "Could be" until such time as I can make an informed evaluation.

That sounds like a wonderful mindset to have about it!

(11-19-2009, 12:50 PM)Lavazza Wrote:  As for most recent responses by Monica and friends, thank you! I will respectfully leave them without response as we would only be chasing each other around in a circle with the dialog. But I will say they are good responses you have made.

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05-13-2010, 11:07 AM,
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Could these be some of the examples of so called 'air bases'?

http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2009/01/25/russian-flying-fortresses/
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05-13-2010, 04:01 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-13-2010, 04:02 PM by C-JEAN.)
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Hi, science fans.

I did not read all the answers, here, but
about moon bases, do a search on
"Ingo Swann".
Or on his book:
Penetration
The Question of Extraterrestrial and Human Telepathy.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18023776/Penetration-The-Question-of-Extraterrestrial-and-Human-Telepathy-by-Ingo-Swann-text-format

The man was SO good, he worked {I think} 18 years? for the CIA !

Blue skies.
Enjoy http://www.whatthebleep.com
It got me to "The Ra material" and in here !
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05-14-2010, 02:32 PM,
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(11-10-2009, 11:00 AM)sos Wrote:  If I might break in here a moment, I'd refer back again to Richard Hoagland and what he says. If even half of what he says is true, then therein lies the total explanation of the moon bases cover-up. Now this is diving headlong into totally transient info of a massive conspiracy and cover-up nature in saying the American public has been lied to and deceived on a monumental scale beyond what almost anyone could understand. For that reason and for not wanting to spend too much time there, I tend to shy away from what Hoagland says. Yet at the same time I know for a fact that the public is being lied to and manipulated to at least some degree. If the influence of the 4th density negatives is what Ra says it has been, then it's not that hard to accept. But at the same time, Ra spoke of a tactic of the 4th density negatives as being to cause mistrust and suspicion among the people as to government plots, etc. I have tried for this reason to back away from the conspiracy stuff.
A decade before the moon launch, President Johnson had laid out America’s goals in the space race, and none of them had much to do with sending men to the Moon:

Control of space," thundered LBJ before reporters, "means control of the world. From space, the masters of infinity would have the power to control the earth's weather, to cause drought and flood, to change the tides and raise the levels of the sea, to divert the Gulf Stream and change temperature climates to frigid."
---Lyndon Johnson, as quoted in, Caro,
Lyndon Johnson: Master of the Senate, p. 1028.

I thought it was global warming that was supposed to be causing most of that, but if your interested in a great read...

Wagging the Moondoggie, Part I
October 1, 2009
by David McGowan
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.html
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05-14-2010, 10:08 PM,
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(05-14-2010, 02:32 PM)dolphin Wrote:  Wagging the Moondoggie, Part I
October 1, 2009
by David McGowan
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.html

Wow, great read. I'm on part 4 now. Quite the rabbit-hole, especially if Ra is right about there being bases on the moon.
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05-16-2010, 07:50 AM,
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Indeed! Thanks a lot for posting that article. Very entertaining and interesting.

Btw, isn't it very odd that we still don't have good images of the moon, better than those we are used to from the 60's? I've spent a lot of time trying to find good photos, but I can't find any. And don't even get me started on the alleged photos from Mars!
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05-16-2010, 10:09 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-16-2010, 10:10 AM by dolphin.)
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There is a thread about how that movie "V" was channeled truth.

Maybe the movie "Capricorn One" was channeled truth about the Moon Landing.

Check it out if you have never seen it here.
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06-06-2010, 05:19 PM,
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I very much see that the ra quotation is dead on relevant to this reality.

first, there are indeed VERY typical ufos, that would totally fit in with the description ra has made. shiny metallic ballish objects, that move in varying speeds. especially, if you notice the recent (in the last decade) massive ufo waves in mexico. dozens of similar ufos flying in formation, thousands watching them. moreover, those ufo types seem to be almost everywhere, from australia to turkey to canada, they frequently appear. this has been an increasing trend paralel with the increasing disclosure stance of numerous countries, namely, france, uk, russia. mexico didnt hide anything at any given point.

with the kind of technology that tesla was bringing in, you could easily say that they could indeed be able to make use of magnetic fields of earth, or even zero energy, and have the means to accomplish practically anything. notice that, the current power system we are using runs on alternative current, and remember how this was something like a plaything, a minor creation of tesla, a side product in his thought process.
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06-29-2010, 07:59 PM,
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(11-06-2009, 01:30 PM)Lavazza Wrote:  Hey Questioner, and everyone,

...This has been a topic of growing interest for me, not so much any longer about Moon bases per se, but the approach that many other-selves have taken to such things. I present this post with the intent of light-hearted debate.

...This brings me to what is catching my interest lately with this topic, that others feel that the moon base information is literally true. My question is, why? Especially when the information is not central at all to spiritual development?

Hi Lavazza,

Define "spiritual development".

I find there are few people able to understand this concept. Most are 'separatist'. For them 'spirituality' opposes 'materiality'. Some others are dreamy or confused.

By my question, I mean you to explore the term/word/meaning.

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06-30-2010, 11:29 AM,
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(06-29-2010, 07:59 PM)Whitefeather Wrote:  Hi Lavazza,

Define "spiritual development".

I find there are few people able to understand this concept. Most are 'separatist'. For them 'spirituality' opposes 'materiality'. Some others are dreamy or confused.

By my question, I mean you to explore the term/word/meaning.

Hi Whitefeather!

In the context of this discussion I intended it to refer to active spiritual evolution. I believe I understand the thrust of your comment, that is that there is no separation between anything, and thus spiritual development must be inclusive of transitory information. Indeed since all is one everything must be inclusive rather than exclusive, at the deepest level. We may even find examples of this, I'm sure it's quite possible- likely even, that transitory information has led people to deeper questions about the nature of their existence, who they are and why they are here.

In my paragraph last year I am not recognizing this possibility and drawing a clear line between what I consider information that is directly helpful for the spirit versus information that is less so and instead caters to the intellect. I may be erroneous on this point, and indeed may not have my arms completely around the concept of spiritual evolution. It is a fine point to ponder indeed!

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06-30-2010, 02:49 PM,
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they look photoshopped.
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06-30-2010, 03:24 PM,
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(06-30-2010, 11:29 AM)Lavazza Wrote:  
(06-29-2010, 07:59 PM)Whitefeather Wrote:  Hi Lavazza,

Define "spiritual development".

I find there are few people able to understand this concept. Most are 'separatist'. For them 'spirituality' opposes 'materiality'. Some others are dreamy or confused.

By my question, I mean you to explore the term/word/meaning.

Hi Whitefeather!

In the context of this discussion I intended it to refer to active spiritual evolution. I believe I understand the thrust of your comment, that is that there is no separation between anything, and thus spiritual development must be inclusive of transitory information. Indeed since all is one everything must be inclusive rather than exclusive, at the deepest level. We may even find examples of this, I'm sure it's quite possible- likely even, that transitory information has led people to deeper questions about the nature of their existence, who they are and why they are here.

In my paragraph last year I am not recognizing this possibility and drawing a clear line between what I consider information that is directly helpful for the spirit versus information that is less so and instead caters to the intellect. I may be erroneous on this point, and indeed may not have my arms completely around the concept of spiritual evolution. It is a fine point to ponder indeed!

yours humbly,
Lavazza

Interesting answer! Thank you Lavazza!
I also think that 'spirituality' should be understood in a wider sense and be inclusive of life transcient experiences. As a result, society would probably be less judgemental of some other selves. After all, isn't life itself a vast spiritual experience leading in every case to greater consciousness?

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.

I've noticed a distinct aversion by members here of 'conspiracy theories' which they claim are somehow distractions to the more important subject of spirituality.  Meanwhile, you all are debating whether or not moon bases are real.  I suggest that conspiracy research has much to do with spirituality - further, the search for truth is not confined to spiritual subjects, and truth in related fields such as science and even politics may shed considerable light upon subjects which you all deem more important than 'transient matters'.  

The poster who provided a link to Ingo Swann's book, Penetration, is an example of a non-scientific exploration of the moon which more properly falls into the category of conspiracy lore.  Scientists do not support such research and only those whose minds are open to things like clairvoyance and remote viewing are willing to consider such evidence.  

I humbly suggest that conspiracy research has much to offer those on a spiritual path.  Spiritual aspirations are all about the search for the truth of God and enlightenment.  One may be far along this path of enlightenment and still be ignorant of what's really going on in the world and why we are on the brink of extinction.  We need to be WHOLE, we need a proper perspective of spiritual truth AND worldly truth.  What good is it to be enlightened when the rest of humanity is suffering under a fascist dictatorship now being put into place by an evil cabal intent on controlling the world?  We have to be savvy in both worlds, the spiritual and material.  And the only way to know the truth of the material world is to acquaint ourselves with authentic and sincere researchers who are uncovering the maneuvering behind the scenes of powerful warmongers whose agenda is to enslave the human race.

Perhaps this post deserves a thread of its own - probably so.  But I don't post here too often any more and after reading some of the posts in this thread, I thought to add my thoughts to the discussion.  I have already initiated a thread called Spaceship Moon which explains why the moon is not a natural satellite, and why it must have been 'steered' into orbit around the Earth.  Assuming this is so, there is every reason to believe there are bases on the moon, and that ETs also inhabit the interior of the moon.

This is but one example of how research into occult subjects may greatly enhance our understanding of our world and ourselves.  Do not limit yourselves in your studies.  The truth of the world is almost as important as the truth of the Creator.  If you care about our otherselves, you will want to know the truth of why there is so much suffering going on in the world.

One more example:  GMOs.  Monsanto and the other giant biotech industries are hell-bent on having everyone consume GMO foods.  Why?  Because a) there is big money to be made; b) they want to control the food supply; c) they want to destroy the health of humanity to facilitate the takeover of the planet.  Does this sound like nonsense to you?  That's because you have not studied the tactics and agenda of the New World Order.  And if you think the New World Order is the figment of David Icke's imagination, then you really have been living with blinders on.  Our world is in serious trouble and it's going to take the concerted effort of all of us to take back our world from the negative creeps who have stolen it.  Life is more than contemplating one's navel; we need to be engaged in the world and do what we can to eliminate the suffering we see all around us.

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(02-03-2015, 01:49 PM)Nicholas Wrote:  .








Quote:I've noticed a distinct aversion by members here of 'conspiracy theories' which they claim are somehow distractions to the more important subject of spirituality.  Meanwhile, you all are debating whether or not moon bases are real.  I suggest that conspiracy research has much to do with spirituality - further, the search for truth is not confined to spiritual subjects, and truth in related fields such as science and even politics may shed considerable light upon subjects which you all deem more important than 'transient matters'.  
The search for truth for me begins with getting to know who I am and accepting and embracing my dark side. Failing to do this could leave me blindsided and ripe for being manipulated.





Quote:I humbly suggest that conspiracy research has much to offer those on a spiritual path.  Spiritual aspirations are all about the search for the truth of God and enlightenment.  One may be far along this path of enlightenment and still be ignorant of what's really going on in the world and why we are on the brink of extinction.  We need to be WHOLE, we need a proper perspective of spiritual truth AND worldly truth.
 I agree that being informed aids us in making ethical choices. Voting and/or political activism is but one of many.





Quote:What good is it to be enlightened when the rest of humanity is suffering under a fascist dictatorship now being put into place by an evil cabal intent on controlling the world?  
For the reason I mentioned above. Its wiser to become a Player than remain self ignorant and be played.

 



Quote:Do not limit yourselves in your studies. 
Is that the 11th Commandment?





Quote:One more example:  GMOs.  Monsanto and the other giant biotech industries are hell-bent on having everyone consume GMO foods.  Why?  Because a) there is big money to be made; b) they want to control the food supply; c) they want to destroy the health of humanity to facilitate the takeover of the planet.  Does this sound like nonsense to you?
  I am quite aware, quite agree and is congruent with RA's explanation of STS polarity. George Carlin made some eye opening stand up comedy over it. It was unfortunate he became cynical though as I suspect he deactivated his green energy centre.





Quote:And if you think the New World Order is the figment of David Icke's imagination, then you really have been living with blinders on.  
No I don't, however I do believe the "Saturn and Moon Matrix" you tube video is misguiding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpSqADAur-w

This book is on my priority list and I think you might also appreciate it (Thanks Jim for the recommendation!)

http://www.amazon.com/Exposing-U-S-Government-Policies-Extraterrestrial/dp/0982290209/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1233546261&sr=1-4
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02-04-2015, 06:52 PM,
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(02-03-2015, 01:49 PM)indolering Wrote:  .

I've noticed a distinct aversion by members here of 'conspiracy theories' which they claim are somehow distractions to the more important subject of spirituality.  Meanwhile, you all are debating whether or not moon bases are real.  I suggest that conspiracy research has much to do with spirituality - further, the search for truth is not confined to spiritual subjects, and truth in related fields such as science and even politics may shed considerable light upon subjects which you all deem more important than 'transient matters'.  

The poster who provided a link to Ingo Swann's book, Penetration, is an example of a non-scientific exploration of the moon which more properly falls into the category of conspiracy lore.  Scientists do not support such research and only those whose minds are open to things like clairvoyance and remote viewing are willing to consider such evidence.  

I humbly suggest that conspiracy research has much to offer those on a spiritual path.  Spiritual aspirations are all about the search for the truth of God and enlightenment.  One may be far along this path of enlightenment and still be ignorant of what's really going on in the world and why we are on the brink of extinction.  We need to be WHOLE, we need a proper perspective of spiritual truth AND worldly truth.  What good is it to be enlightened when the rest of humanity is suffering under a fascist dictatorship now being put into place by an evil cabal intent on controlling the world?  We have to be savvy in both worlds, the spiritual and material.  And the only way to know the truth of the material world is to acquaint ourselves with authentic and sincere researchers who are uncovering the maneuvering behind the scenes of powerful warmongers whose agenda is to enslave the human race.

Perhaps this post deserves a thread of its own - probably so.  But I don't post here too often any more and after reading some of the posts in this thread, I thought to add my thoughts to the discussion.  I have already initiated a thread called Spaceship Moon which explains why the moon is not a natural satellite, and why it must have been 'steered' into orbit around the Earth.  Assuming this is so, there is every reason to believe there are bases on the moon, and that ETs also inhabit the interior of the moon.

This is but one example of how research into occult subjects may greatly enhance our understanding of our world and ourselves.  Do not limit yourselves in your studies.  The truth of the world is almost as important as the truth of the Creator.  If you care about our otherselves, you will want to know the truth of why there is so much suffering going on in the world.

One more example:  GMOs.  Monsanto and the other giant biotech industries are hell-bent on having everyone consume GMO foods.  Why?  Because a) there is big money to be made; b) they want to control the food supply; c) they want to destroy the health of humanity to facilitate the takeover of the planet.  Does this sound like nonsense to you?  That's because you have not studied the tactics and agenda of the New World Order.  And if you think the New World Order is the figment of David Icke's imagination, then you really have been living with blinders on.  Our world is in serious trouble and it's going to take the concerted effort of all of us to take back our world from the negative creeps who have stolen it.  Life is more than contemplating one's navel; we need to be engaged in the world and do what we can to eliminate the suffering we see all around us.

I think you will find that a lot of people that have ended up at the Law of One, and studying the Ra Material with Ra's particular focus on the non-transient have already passed through the realms of conspiracy study.  This is not ignorance at play, and a lack of awareness of the deeper agenda of politicians and the global cabal; but rather, that such excursions end up being rather unsatisfying and non-transformative in one's own personal life.

becoming aware of big pharma: yes, by all means, seek out your own natural remedies

becoming aware of big agriculture/farma: change one's diet, choose where your spending dollars go

becoming aware of black ops programs: try and lobby for disclosure

becoming aware of currency manipulations: find your own way of creating 'value'.

and beyond that, how much deeper do you want to dig?
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02-05-2015, 05:24 AM,
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(02-03-2015, 01:49 PM)indolering Wrote:  .
  Our world is in serious trouble and it's going to take the concerted effort of all of us to take back our world from the negative creeps who have stolen it.

This will never happen. You don't 'win' a polarity game in this way.
Nothing was 'stolen' either, rather handed over by a compliant, complacent population, lacking in the ability of abstact thought.
Just because their power is drawn from the south pole makes a negative no less creepy than a positive.
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02-06-2015, 12:14 AM,
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(02-03-2015, 07:14 PM)Nicholas Wrote:  
(02-03-2015, 01:49 PM)Nicholas Wrote:  .











Quote:I've noticed a distinct aversion by members here of 'conspiracy theories' which they claim are somehow distractions to the more important subject of spirituality.  Meanwhile, you all are debating whether or not moon bases are real.  I suggest that conspiracy research has much to do with spirituality - further, the search for truth is not confined to spiritual subjects, and truth in related fields such as science and even politics may shed considerable light upon subjects which you all deem more important than 'transient matters'.  
The search for truth for me begins with getting to know who I am and accepting and embracing my dark side. Failing to do this could leave me blindsided and ripe for being manipulated.



The sequence of your research is up to you - I suggest spiritual and material research go on simultaneously.  I read books on spirituality and books on the manipulation of humanity one after the other....








Quote:I humbly suggest that conspiracy research has much to offer those on a spiritual path.  Spiritual aspirations are all about the search for the truth of God and enlightenment.  One may be far along this path of enlightenment and still be ignorant of what's really going on in the world and why we are on the brink of extinction.  We need to be WHOLE, we need a proper perspective of spiritual truth AND worldly truth.
 I agree that being informed aids us in making ethical choices. Voting and/or political activism is but one of many.








Quote:What good is it to be enlightened when the rest of humanity is suffering under a fascist dictatorship now being put into place by an evil cabal intent on controlling the world?  
For the reason I mentioned above. Its wiser to become a Player than remain self ignorant and be played.



Same reply as above.

 






Quote:Do not limit yourselves in your studies. 
Is that the 11th Commandment?



Don't be a wiseass.








Quote:One more example:  GMOs.  Monsanto and the other giant biotech industries are hell-bent on having everyone consume GMO foods.  Why?  Because a) there is big money to be made; b) they want to control the food supply; c) they want to destroy the health of humanity to facilitate the takeover of the planet.  Does this sound like nonsense to you?
  I am quite aware, quite agree and is congruent with RA's explanation of STS polarity. George Carlin made some eye opening stand up comedy over it. It was unfortunate he became cynical though as I suspect he deactivated his green energy centre.








Quote:And if you think the New World Order is the figment of David Icke's imagination, then you really have been living with blinders on.  
No I don't, however I do believe the "Saturn and Moon Matrix" you tube video is misguiding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpSqADAur-w

This book is on my priority list and I think you might also appreciate it (Thanks Jim for the recommendation!)

http://www.amazon.com/Exposing-U-S-Government-Policies-Extraterrestrial/dp/0982290209/ref=sr_1_4?
ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1233546261&sr=1-4




David Icke will give you ten times the bang for your buck than any of your generic tomes...suit yourself.

(02-04-2015, 06:52 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:  
(02-03-2015, 01:49 PM)indolering Wrote:  .

I've noticed a distinct aversion by members here of 'conspiracy theories' which they claim are somehow distractions to the more important subject of spirituality.  Meanwhile, you all are debating whether or not moon bases are real.  I suggest that conspiracy research has much to do with spirituality - further, the search for truth is not confined to spiritual subjects, and truth in related fields such as science and even politics may shed considerable light upon subjects which you all deem more important than 'transient matters'.  

The poster who provided a link to Ingo Swann's book, Penetration, is an example of a non-scientific exploration of the moon which more properly falls into the category of conspiracy lore.  Scientists do not support such research and only those whose minds are open to things like clairvoyance and remote viewing are willing to consider such evidence.  

I humbly suggest that conspiracy research has much to offer those on a spiritual path.  Spiritual aspirations are all about the search for the truth of God and enlightenment.  One may be far along this path of enlightenment and still be ignorant of what's really going on in the world and why we are on the brink of extinction.  We need to be WHOLE, we need a proper perspective of spiritual truth AND worldly truth.  What good is it to be enlightened when the rest of humanity is suffering under a fascist dictatorship now being put into place by an evil cabal intent on controlling the world?  We have to be savvy in both worlds, the spiritual and material.  And the only way to know the truth of the material world is to acquaint ourselves with authentic and sincere researchers who are uncovering the maneuvering behind the scenes of powerful warmongers whose agenda is to enslave the human race.

Perhaps this post deserves a thread of its own - probably so.  But I don't post here too often any more and after reading some of the posts in this thread, I thought to add my thoughts to the discussion.  I have already initiated a thread called Spaceship Moon which explains why the moon is not a natural satellite, and why it must have been 'steered' into orbit around the Earth.  Assuming this is so, there is every reason to believe there are bases on the moon, and that ETs also inhabit the interior of the moon.

This is but one example of how research into occult subjects may greatly enhance our understanding of our world and ourselves.  Do not limit yourselves in your studies.  The truth of the world is almost as important as the truth of the Creator.  If you care about our otherselves, you will want to know the truth of why there is so much suffering going on in the world.

One more example:  GMOs.  Monsanto and the other giant biotech industries are hell-bent on having everyone consume GMO foods.  Why?  Because a) there is big money to be made; b) they want to control the food supply; c) they want to destroy the health of humanity to facilitate the takeover of the planet.  Does this sound like nonsense to you?  That's because you have not studied the tactics and agenda of the New World Order.  And if you think the New World Order is the figment of David Icke's imagination, then you really have been living with blinders on.  Our world is in serious trouble and it's going to take the concerted effort of all of us to take back our world from the negative creeps who have stolen it.  Life is more than contemplating one's navel; we need to be engaged in the world and do what we can to eliminate the suffering we see all around us.

I think you will find that a lot of people that have ended up at the Law of One, and studying the Ra Material with Ra's particular focus on the non-transient have already passed through the realms of conspiracy study.  This is not ignorance at play, and a lack of awareness of the deeper agenda of politicians and the global cabal; but rather, that such excursions end up being rather unsatisfying and non-transformative in one's own personal life.

becoming aware of big pharma: yes, by all means, seek out your own natural remedies

becoming aware of big agriculture/farma: change one's diet, choose where your spending dollars go

becoming aware of black ops programs: try and lobby for disclosure

becoming aware of currency manipulations: find your own way of creating 'value'.

and beyond that, how much deeper do you want to dig?



You have all the answers, do you?
Conspiracy research is a vast subject, probably moreso than the spiritual search.  Perhaps you feel you know all there is to know about such things - your assumption about the other posters here may surprise you.  I have found that my research into conspiracies has transformed me in important ways and has been very satisfying.  Go down the rabbit hole as far as you like.  Personally, i live for truth wherever I can find it.  And to know the truth of how we are being taken over by the collaboration of illuminati operatives and negative ETs is something I'd like to know about - why?  Because they represent the true enemies of humanity.  While we're being persuaded that Muslims are the enemy, we fall deeper into slavery by the day.  Perhaps you agree with Ashim that to resist the tyranny is no way to conduct a 'polarity game'.   Suit yourself.  Greater spiritual beings than us have taken up their sword to banish evil.  Arjuna and Krisna come to mind....

(02-05-2015, 05:24 AM)Ashim Wrote:  
(02-03-2015, 01:49 PM)indolering Wrote:  .
  Our world is in serious trouble and it's going to take the concerted effort of all of us to take back our world from the negative creeps who have stolen it.

This will never happen. You don't 'win' a polarity game in this way.
Nothing was 'stolen' either, rather handed over by a compliant, complacent population, lacking in the ability of abstact thought.
Just because their power is drawn from the south pole makes a negative no less creepy than a positive.




I pretty much disagree with you on all points.  I know you are deemed to be a highly evolved being and all, but my intuition tells me we'll be successful in routing the parasites from our midst and return this planet to its former pristine state.  I don't know how you propose to behave under these circumstances, but I for one will not stand idly by while warmongers steal our world.  Oh, you say we gave it to them - we were coerced and duped and lied to every step of the way.  If you think meditation is all we need to salvage ourselves, have at it.  You're in the minority.  It will take action, and lots of it to counter the negative creeps now in control.  If you think JFK,MLK, Tesla, Yogananda and all the rest of the good men and women are comparable 'creeps', I question your judgment.

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02-06-2015, 05:18 AM,
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(02-06-2015, 12:14 AM)indolering Wrote:  You have all the answers, do you?
Conspiracy research is a vast subject, probably moreso than the spiritual search.  Perhaps you feel you know all there is to know about such things - your assumption about the other posters here may surprise you.  I have found that my research into conspiracies has transformed me in important ways and has been very satisfying.  Go down the rabbit hole as far as you like.  Personally, i live for truth wherever I can find it.  And to know the truth of how we are being taken over by the collaboration of illuminati operatives and negative ETs is something I'd like to know about - why?  Because they represent the true enemies of humanity.  While we're being persuaded that Muslims are the enemy, we fall deeper into slavery by the day.  Perhaps you agree with Ashim that to resist the tyranny is no way to conduct a 'polarity game'.   Suit yourself.  Greater spiritual beings than us have taken up their sword to banish evil.  Arjuna and Krisna come to mind....

sure, I can understand your stance.  Actually, this interaction has proven quite fruitful for me, as it's helped me clarify my own position and understanding regards the conspiracy world.  I did spend a lot of time there - not enough to become an expert in any particular area - but enough to see all the different roots.  I actually had a paid membership for Coast to Coast Radio for two years, so I could download and listen to the shows whenever I wanted.

If I could provide some backstory - and this is pertinent as there is another thread currently active regards it - it was the 9/11 videos and post-analysis which proved to be the thing that totally unravelled any faith that I had in government/society/politics/media.  This came a few years after the event itself, as streaming video on the internet did not arrive until a few years later (I'm referring to google video and youtube here in 2005), but I did read about the conspiracy viewpoint in Nexus magazine (the hole in the Pentagon wall especially), and was also cognizant of the New World Order from David Icke and his early books - in particular, his And the Truth Shall Set you Free (1995) which I read in the late 90's left me somewhat slack-jawed and in disbelief in parts.  And yet, he had tabled names and organizations, and so it planted the ideas in my mind, even back then.

There are things in the conspiracy field which can shake us from our complacence, and even perhaps laziness.  There is more going on in this world than the nightly news lets on.  But all I can say, speaking purely personally here - as I won't try to over-generalise - is that it doesn't offer me any nourishment at present.  It just has no charge for me.  I am vegetarian, and this is not because of an aversion to meat, but rather, that one day 2 years ago, it just clicked as a new mode of experience for me.  Meat no longer had any experiential value to me (not knocking meat).  I can say that somewhere along the line, maybe a few years after getting into the Law of One, and really immersing myself in the archetypes, which I considered gold at the time, the conspiracy angle also fell away as a source of nourishment for me.

But if it's true that it still works for others, then I shouldn't deride it. I can see how that was a distortion that you exposed, and that I can see more clearly now (and hopefully balanced).

cheers buddy.

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RE: Unbelievable moonbases and wrong science
(02-03-2015, 01:49 PM)indolering Wrote:  .

I've noticed a distinct aversion by members here of 'conspiracy theories' which they claim are somehow distractions to the more important subject of spirituality.  Meanwhile, you all are debating whether or not moon bases are real.  I suggest that conspiracy research has much to do with spirituality - further, the search for truth is not confined to spiritual subjects, and truth in related fields such as science and even politics may shed considerable light upon subjects which you all deem more important than 'transient matters'.  

The poster who provided a link to Ingo Swann's book, Penetration, is an example of a non-scientific exploration of the moon which more properly falls into the category of conspiracy lore.  Scientists do not support such research and only those whose minds are open to things like clairvoyance and remote viewing are willing to consider such evidence.  

I humbly suggest that conspiracy research has much to offer those on a spiritual path.  Spiritual aspirations are all about the search for the truth of God and enlightenment.  One may be far along this path of enlightenment and still be ignorant of what's really going on in the world and why we are on the brink of extinction.  We need to be WHOLE, we need a proper perspective of spiritual truth AND worldly truth.  What good is it to be enlightened when the rest of humanity is suffering under a fascist dictatorship now being put into place by an evil cabal intent on controlling the world?  We have to be savvy in both worlds, the spiritual and material.  And the only way to know the truth of the material world is to acquaint ourselves with authentic and sincere researchers who are uncovering the maneuvering behind the scenes of powerful warmongers whose agenda is to enslave the human race.

Perhaps this post deserves a thread of its own - probably so.  But I don't post here too often any more and after reading some of the posts in this thread, I thought to add my thoughts to the discussion.  I have already initiated a thread called Spaceship Moon which explains why the moon is not a natural satellite, and why it must have been 'steered' into orbit around the Earth.  Assuming this is so, there is every reason to believe there are bases on the moon, and that ETs also inhabit the interior of the moon.

This is but one example of how research into occult subjects may greatly enhance our understanding of our world and ourselves.  Do not limit yourselves in your studies.  The truth of the world is almost as important as the truth of the Creator.  If you care about our otherselves, you will want to know the truth of why there is so much suffering going on in the world.

One more example:  GMOs.  Monsanto and the other giant biotech industries are hell-bent on having everyone consume GMO foods.  Why?  Because a) there is big money to be made; b) they want to control the food supply; c) they want to destroy the health of humanity to facilitate the takeover of the planet.  Does this sound like nonsense to you?  That's because you have not studied the tactics and agenda of the New World Order.  And if you think the New World Order is the figment of David Icke's imagination, then you really have been living with blinders on.  Our world is in serious trouble and it's going to take the concerted effort of all of us to take back our world from the negative creeps who have stolen it.  Life is more than contemplating one's navel; we need to be engaged in the world and do what we can to eliminate the suffering we see all around us.

Well said! Another big part of the problem is that a huge percentage of the population is drugged...with pharmaceuticals and fluoride. These drugs tend to cause apathy.
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02-17-2015, 12:03 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-17-2015, 12:07 AM by Monica.)
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RE: Unbelievable moonbases and wrong science
(02-06-2015, 05:18 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:  sure, I can understand your stance.  Actually, this interaction has proven quite fruitful for me, as it's helped me clarify my own position and understanding regards the conspiracy world.  I did spend a lot of time there - not enough to become an expert in any particular area - but enough to see all the different roots.  I actually had a paid membership for Coast to Coast Radio for two years, so I could download and listen to the shows whenever I wanted.

If I could provide some backstory - and this is pertinent as there is another thread currently active regards it - it was the 9/11 videos and post-analysis which proved to be the thing that totally unravelled any faith that I had in government/society/politics/media.  This came a few years after the event itself, as streaming video on the internet did not arrive until a few years later (I'm referring to google video and youtube here in 2005), but I did read about the conspiracy viewpoint in Nexus magazine (the hole in the Pentagon wall especially), and was also cognizant of the New World Order from David Icke and his early books - in particular, his And the Truth Shall Set you Free (1995) which I read in the late 90's left me somewhat slack-jawed and in disbelief in parts.  And yet, he had tabled names and organizations, and so it planted the ideas in my mind, even back then.

There are things in the conspiracy field which can shake us from our complacence, and even perhaps laziness.  There is more going on in this world than the nightly news lets on.  But all I can say, speaking purely personally here - as I won't try to over-generalise - is that it doesn't offer me any nourishment at present.  It just has no charge for me.  I am vegetarian, and this is not because of an aversion to meat, but rather, that one day 2 years ago, it just clicked as a new mode of experience for me.  Meat no longer had any experiential value to me (not knocking meat).  I can say that somewhere along the line, maybe a few years after getting into the Law of One, and really immersing myself in the archetypes, which I considered gold at the time, the conspiracy angle also fell away as a source of nourishment for me.

But if it's true that it still works for others, then I shouldn't deride it. I can see how that was a distortion that you exposed, and that I can see more clearly now (and hopefully balanced).

cheers buddy.

Plenum

I think it's part of the awakening process. I see a lot of value in the masses waking up...and then moving beyond it. Acceptance is the key that opens the door to transmutation. But before we can open that door, we must know what it is that we are accepting. How can the world be transformed when most people don't even know what's going on?

The act of opening one's mind to the truth of 911 or some other non-mainstream truth, could be akin to using psychoactive drugs, in terms of the breakthrough in consciousness. So there is indeed value in providing information, when appropriate, to people who are unaware of such things.

It's important to also encourage a positive spin. This is something David Wilcock is very good at. He might not always be accurate, but I appreciate that he says "Here's the storm...but then we'll see rainbows!" unlike David Icke who seems very defeatist, in my perception.

I truly believe in multiple realities. Waking up is important, but then where do we go from there? At each point, we have multiple timelines to choose from, at this nexus.

Burying one's head in the sand, or just being nonchalant about it, and getting caught up in these things to the point of paranoia, are 2 extremes. We are other-selves to other selves. They see us in their mirrors. We have a role to play. Just assuming that everyone will wake up on their own, and that we have nothing to do with it, is to potentially miss an opportunity to be of service. Why are we incarnate right now, at this nexus? It only to focus on self, then what's the point? Are we not all interconnected? Do we not all have a role to play in the planet's unfolding? Do we really want to just sit back and eat popcorn as though watching a movie? Or are we active participants on this stage? 

At the same time, if we become obsessed with what's going on behind the scenes, then we only give it power. Surely there is a sweet spot somewhere? Surely there is value in waking up and engaging in activism to help make the world a better place, and helping others awaken, without getting caught up in fear and negativity?

I advocate waking up, encouraging others to wake up, while at the same time, working for positive change and believing that we CAN create a positive outcome.
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02-17-2015, 08:50 AM,
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RE: Unbelievable moonbases and wrong science
Moon bases have been confirmed by retired airforce whistleblowers. When you understand that the MJ12 had near infinite energy after stealing teslas research, air bases and moon bases are anything but unbelievable.
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02-17-2015, 01:51 PM,
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RE: Unbelievable moonbases and wrong science
(02-17-2015, 08:50 AM)Guardian Wrote:  Moon bases have been confirmed by retired airforce whistleblowers. When you understand that the MJ12 had near infinite energy after stealing teslas research, air bases and moon bases are anything but unbelievable.

Here is something I don't understand: Why, then, did they fake the moon landings?
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02-17-2015, 01:58 PM,
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RE: Unbelievable moonbases and wrong science
(02-17-2015, 01:51 PM)Monica Wrote:  
(02-17-2015, 08:50 AM)Guardian Wrote:  Moon bases have been confirmed by retired airforce whistleblowers. When you understand that the MJ12 had near infinite energy after stealing teslas research, air bases and moon bases are anything but unbelievable.

Here is something I don't understand: Why, then, did they fake the moon landings?

Do you mean images or the actual landings?
Are you refering to doctored/created  pictures and footage or the entire Apollo programme?
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