Ever notice this Ra-" We are NOT those of the Love or of the Light."

[hope]

Hi All,
I'm new here, joining to specifically ask to try & make sense of this line above.
I am a HUGE fan of The Law of One material, but this sentence above was brought to my attention tonight.
I truly didn't believe it when first mentioned ,but upon searching the text for myself saw that it is indeed true.

The sentence above is from book one, question 1.1-

1.1 Questioner: Do you have a specific purpose, and if so, could you tell us something of what your purpose is?

Ra: I am Ra. We communicate now. We, too, have our place. We are not those of the Love or of the Light. We are those who are of the Law of One. In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose.

I find this particularly disturbing, & am hoping that the good souls here may have addressed this issue or be familiar with it, & hopefully be able clarify it for me.
I did try to search if this had been addressed before, but found zip.

I look forward to hearing/meeting you all!
Cheers Hope

[GentleReckoning]

At a guess, Love is prevalent in 4d, Light 5d, and the recognition that all is one occurs in 6d.

Alternatively, it can be hypothesized that Ra had a negative 3d harvest and they are simply switching polarities late 6d. The evidence for this is sketchy.

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Think of polarities in 3d. You can have light and dark, love or fear. In 6d comes the realization that light/dark, love/hate are all one. This is a more unified perspective than any other possible point of view.

[Ashim]

Hello Hope!

I would offer the following:

Those of Love = 4th density.

Those of Light = 5th density.

Those of Wisdom (Ra and Lucifer) = 6th density.

What exactly do you find particularly disturbing?

[hope]

Maybe, but I just find it very disconcerting they would declare themselves to be NOT of the love or light.
The fact that it was in the initial contact has my mind asking all sorts of questions....
-was the first contact possibly with a negative et? Did the quality/purity of contact increase as ongoing contact was made with LL (As they refined/purified their intentions?
-was the fact consent was given to continue contact after this admission, somehow a consent to deception?

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Hello Hope!

I would offer the following:

Those of Love = 4th density.

Those of Light = 5th density.

Those of Wisdom (Ra and Lucifer) = 6th density.

What exactly do you find particularly disturbing?

Hi Ashim & Gentle!
Sorry , am still finding my way around page!!! >.<

Yes, you could both be right, & the truth is I really hope you are.
As I said ,I LOVE the LOO material, as it has helped me so much in answering longheld questions.
The thought that it could be based on deception is something I really dont even want to contemplate.
I guess I am soooo used to their usual greeting, that to read that phrase really shocked me.
Thanks heaps for your replies,

[βαθμιαίος]

I understand it to mean we are not fourth or fifth density; we are sixth density.

[hope]

Thanks 'Fellow seeker' (Dont even want to try to pronounce your name , ha ha!)

I still feel uneasy about this though..
I mean why would their usual greeting always be " I greet you in the love and the light of our Infinite Creator.", but then to make a point of saying they are not. Arent we ALL in the love & light??? Even Ra???

[Ankh]

Hi hope, and welcome to this forum!

What Ra said is:

"We are not those of the Love or of the Light. We are those who are of the Law of One."

Follow this link to see the relisted version of this quote:

http://lawofone.info/results.php?s=1&v=r#1

My interpretation of this quote is that Ra is not those of Love (4th density) *or* those of Light (5th density), but are those who are of the Law of One (6th density).

The 4th density is the density of Love. 5th density is the density of Light, or Wisdom. 6th density is the density of unity, or the Law of One. This is this density, from which Ra comes from, and the teachings they bring:

You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

And:

The Law of One, though beyond the limitations of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that all things are one, that there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony, but only identity. All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the Infinite Creator.

Maybe, but I just find it very disconcerting they would declare themselves to be NOT of the love or light.

Mind the word OR in that sentence. In my understanding, they are both. Love/light, light/love=unity, the One Infinite Creator.

The fact that it was in the initial contact has my mind asking all sorts of questions....
-was the first contact possibly with a negative et? Did the quality/purity of contact increase as ongoing contact was made with LL (As they refined/purified their intentions?
-was the fact consent was given to continue contact after this admission, somehow a consent to deception?

I don't think that the initial contact, although made in the conscious state compared to all others, was with anyone but Ra, as Carla challenges all entities to be channeled in the name of Jesus Christ/Christ consciousness/Love, before transmitting their thoughts. I do believe that the contact was approaching purity more and more with time though, as the group tuned more, and purified their intentions and questions. But I don't think that they channeled at any time during the whole contact a negative entity. Because if they would, Carla would be taken to the negative time/space as the result.

[hope]

Just went back to re-check online.
Seems the original version omits this completely (Unless its somewhere else within the text)

Original-
1.1 Questioner: Do you have a specific purpose, and if so, could you tell us something of what your purpose is?

Ra: I am Ra. We communicate now. We are those who are of the Law of One. In our vibration the polarities are harmonized; the complexities are simplified; the paradoxes have a solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose.

Can anyone tell me how to post links please?

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Just went back to re-check online.
Seems the original version omits this completely (Unless its somewhere else within the text)

Original-
1.1 Questioner: Do you have a specific purpose, and if so, could you tell us something of what your purpose is?

Ra: I am Ra. We communicate now. We are those who are of the Law of One. In our vibration the polarities are harmonized; the complexities are simplified; the paradoxes have a solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose.

Can anyone tell me how to post links please?

Ok, just checked in my personal book ,& that particular line (We, too, have our place. We are not those of the Love or of the Light), is not in there either.
Seems it is just in the online version.

Hmmmmm

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Hi hope, and welcome to this forum!

What Ra said is:

"We are not those of the Love or of the Light. We are those who are of the Law of One."

Follow this link to see the relisted version of this quote:

http://lawofone.info/results.php?s=1&v=r#1

My interpretation of this quote is that Ra is not those of Love (4th density) *or* those of Light (5th density), but are those who are of the Law of One (6th density).

The 4th density is the density of Love. 5th density is the density of Light, or Wisdom. 6th density is the density of unity, or the Law of One. This is this density, from which Ra comes from, and the teachings they bring:

You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

And:

The Law of One, though beyond the limitations of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that all things are one, that there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony, but only identity. All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the Infinite Creator.

Maybe, but I just find it very disconcerting they would declare themselves to be NOT of the love or light.

Mind the word OR in that sentence. In my understanding, they are both. Love/light, light/love=unity, the One Infinite Creator.

The fact that it was in the initial contact has my mind asking all sorts of questions....
-was the first contact possibly with a negative et? Did the quality/purity of contact increase as ongoing contact was made with LL (As they refined/purified their intentions?
-was the fact consent was given to continue contact after this admission, somehow a consent to deception?

I don't think that the initial contact, although made in the conscious state compared to all others, was with anyone but Ra, as Carla challenges all entities to be channeled in the name of Jesus Christ/Christ consciousness/Love, before transmitting their thoughts. I do believe that the contact was approaching purity more and more with time though, as the group tuned more, and purified their intentions and questions. But I don't think that they channeled at any time during the whole contact a negative entity. Because if they would, Carla would be taken to the negative time/space as the result.

Thanks Ankh!
I believe you are right. The fact that Carla challenged entities, was a major factor in my willingness to accept the information given, & the positive intent behind it.

The fact that it does not appear in my book, or the original online version has me now questioning why it appears in the online 'lightly edited' version????

[Ankh]

The fact that it does not appear in my book, or the original online version has me now questioning why it appears in the online 'lightly edited' version????

I think that L/L group decided to remove Ra saying "we are not those of Love or those of Light" from the books, when they were to be published back in 80's, in order to not to freak people out, or scare them (like it did now with you ).

"Lightly edited" version online is the more correct version, as the contact with Ra has been relistened. If you check on www.lawofone.info, you can also see that you can click on a completely "Relistened" version of the contact.

Anyways, the "lightly edited" is more correct than the books in regards to what Ra said.

[βαθμιαίος]

Thanks 'Fellow seeker' (Dont even want to try to pronounce your name , ha ha!)

By an actual Greek person: http://www.2shared.com/audio/rnVYuw9K/Vathmiaios.html

I still feel uneasy about this though..
I mean why would their usual greeting always be " I greet you in the love and the light of our Infinite Creator.", but then to make a point of saying they are not. Arent we ALL in the love & light??? Even Ra???

Up until that point, L/L Research had always channeled fourth- and fifth-density sources. I think Ra was telling them that this was going to be something very different.

[Adonai One]

Yep, my mother read that part and she just stopped reading.

[Monica]

This would be an excellent topic for the radio show. I'll bring it up for discussion with Carla and Jim either this week or next.

[Aureus]

They are of love AND light(balanced mixture), not love OR light(extremes)

[Spaced]

I always took it to mean that they were balanced and therefore beyond the polarity game.

[Monica]

I always took it to mean that they were balanced and therefore beyond the polarity game.

That's exactly how I interpreted it.

[hope]

Hi Guys!
Thanks for the replies, I have warmed to your interpretations & see what you are saying when reading in the passage in full context.

When I looked into it further the offending line is not in the online original material, nor in my physical hardcopy book but does appear in the 'Relistened Version'-

http://www.lawofone.info/show-diff.php?s=1&dv=o-e
http://www.lawofone.info/show-diff.php?s=1&dv=r-e

Original Version
Ra: I am Ra. We communicate now. We are those who are of the Law of One. In our vibration the polarities are harmonized; the complexities are simplified; the paradoxes have a solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose.

[i][b]Edited Version
Ra: I am Ra. We communicate now. We, too, have our place. We are not those of the Love or of the Light. We are those who are of the Law of One. In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose.

I would really love to know why it was omitted/submitted subjectively.
Was it because, as Ankh suggested, to prevent people like me (possibly!) misinterpreting it?
Wouldn't that be an infringement on my freewill to discern?
Its this sort of thing which makes it clear what Ra was up against in regards to 'distortions in interpretations' in the past! >.<

I am honestly not as advanced as members here when it comes to dissecting the book, having only my personal views of the information I've absorbed thus far.
Having said that I read the books constantly, never failing to pick up new information that had previously gone over my head!

@Bring4th_Monica, it would be wonderful If you could ask Carla & Jim about this!!
I would so appreciate hearing their personal views on the issues raised.

Thank you again for everyones input!
Love n light
Hope x

[Siren]

It is extremely simple. Each density is associated with a universal law/lesson. Ra resides in 6th density where the law/lesson is unity, not wisdom/light or love/understanding, just as a 7th-density entity would be not of the Law of One/Unity, but of the Law of Foreverness.

When we speak of 4th density being the Law of Love, for example, it doesn't mean there is no other love in any other density. 4th density is just the density where the activity of "loving" has been learnt without significant distortion, just as unity/oneness pertains to 6th density and so on and so forth with the rest.

Hope this clarifies things for you.

[Adonai One]

It is extremely simple. Each density is associated with a universal law/lesson. Ra resides in 6th density where the law/lesson is unity, not wisdom/light or love/understanding, just as a 7th-density entity would be not of the Law of One/Unity, but of the Law of Foreverness.

When we speak of 4th density being the Law of Love, for example, it doesn't mean there is no other love in any other density. 4th density is just the density where the activity of "loving" has been learnt without significant distortion, just as unity/oneness pertains to 6th density and so on and so forth with the rest.

Hope this clarifies things for you.

As you imply, that is not to say each density doesn't build upon the other. 6th density is still of love yet not defined by hate. When all is accepted and loved, the concept of love ceases to be acknowledged for it just is. 7th density would be a coalition of all densities before it and then some.

[anagogy]

I thought this quote was also relevant to the question and discussion at hand:

27.12 Questioner: I would like for you to define love in the sense— in its sense as the second distortion.

Ra: I am Ra. This must be defined against the background of intelligent infinity or unity or the One Creator with the primal distortion of free will. The term Love then may be seen as the focus, the choice of attack, the type of energy of an extremely, shall we say, high order which causes intelligent energy to be formed from the potential of intelligent infinity in just such and such a way. This then may be seen to be an object rather than an activity by some of your peoples, and the principle of this extremely strong energy focus being worshipped as the Creator instead of unity or oneness from which all Loves emanate.

In essence, unity is beyond love and light. They extend from unity, as opposed to the other way around.

[Adonai One]

I thought this quote was also relevant to the question and discussion at hand:

27.12 Questioner: I would like for you to define love in the sense— in its sense as the second distortion.

Ra: I am Ra. This must be defined against the background of intelligent infinity or unity or the One Creator with the primal distortion of free will. The term Love then may be seen as the focus, the choice of attack, the type of energy of an extremely, shall we say, high order which causes intelligent energy to be formed from the potential of intelligent infinity in just such and such a way. This then may be seen to be an object rather than an activity by some of your peoples, and the principle of this extremely strong energy focus being worshipped as the Creator instead of unity or oneness from which all Loves emanate.

In essence, unity is beyond love and light. They extend from unity, as opposed to the other way around.

I don't think Ra implies that at all. Love is simply acceptance to an infinite degree. Absolute acceptance among all parts is the very definition of unity.

Hate is simply non-acceptance. When that ceases to exist, there is only unity.

However, you are right when you say love and light extend from it but they also build towards it.

[Parsons]

Interesting thread topic, hope. That part of the message never really stuck out to me until now. It does make sense to me in context but does seem a bit weird out of context.

I am honestly not as advanced as members here when it comes to dissecting the book, having only my personal views of the information I've absorbed thus far.
Having said that I read the books constantly, never failing to pick up new information that had previously gone over my head!

I wouldn't necessarily say anyone is more advanced in their understanding. Actually, I often question myself and others here for reading way too much into some (if not all) of the material. This can cause one to 'lose sight of the forest through the trees'.

[Adonai One]

Interesting thread topic, hope. That part of the message never really stuck out to me until now. It does make sense to me in context but does seem a bit weird out of context.

I am honestly not as advanced as members here when it comes to dissecting the book, having only my personal views of the information I've absorbed thus far.
Having said that I read the books constantly, never failing to pick up new information that had previously gone over my head!

I wouldn't necessarily say anyone is more advanced in their understanding. Actually, I often question myself and others here for reading way too much into some (if not all) of the material. This can cause one to 'lose sight of the forest through the trees'.

Feel free to correct me, if you are referring to me. Haha. I love to be corrected.

[anagogy]

I don't think Ra implies that at all. Love is simply acceptance to an infinite degree. Absolute acceptance among all parts is the very definition of unity.

Hate is simply non-acceptance. When that ceases to exist, there is only unity.

However, you are right when you say love and light extend from it but they also build towards it.

I think the idea is akin to the analogy of the sun.

Love and light are like the heat and light generated by the sun. The sun is like oneness. The sun generates heat and light. The heat and light do not generate the sun.

Similarly, love and light are tell-tale signs of oneness. They are like the "smell" of oneness "baking in the oven" so to speak. They are subsets of oneness. The smell (that which emanates from the source) could certainly lead you to oneness.

[Ankh]

Hope, you know when I just found Ra material, I was terrified that it would turn out that the material wasn't "true". That it was some kind of hoax. The first thing that I remember that freaked me out was the mentioning of LSD. I thought - oh, no, this is just someone who is high! I almost had a heart attack.

But I kept reading, and reading, and eventually, when learning more about the contact and L/L, I calmed down.

I don't know why I came to think about that now. Maybe you experience the same fear, because didn't you mention that you were new to the material? Or maybe not. I thought that I would mention this anyway.

[JustLikeYou]

Ra equivocates with words sometimes when referring to macrocosms versus microcosms.

The vibration (or density) of Love is a microcosm of the 2nd distortion, also named Love.
The vibration (or density) of Light is a microcosm of the 3rd distortion, also named Light.

Ra is not beyond the Love and Light of the One Creator (the macrocosm), but they are beyond the vibrations of Love and Light generated by the local Logos (the microcosm).

[Parsons]

Feel free to correct me, if you are referring to me. Haha. I love to be corrected.

No no, I wasn't specifically referring to you. I was pretty much throwing everyone under the bus, but most especially myself.

[Marc]

In the context I read that he is not love separated from light but he is of oneness or where they would be considered one such as love/light as opposed to light and love. Ra uses love/light together as one not as individual parts, and I think that may also be differentiation he was making showing that he viewed love and light from a state of oneness not separated. He later speaks of how they are not separate but one so he is from the oneness, not the dualistic love or light.

[darklight]

7.17 Questioner:.....

The distortion lies in the fact that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve other is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.

[Monica]

We did this topic tonight.

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...#pid117423

[native]

Also helpful.. "We seek the Creator upon a level of shared experience to which you are not privy and rather than surrounding ourselves in light we have become light. Our understanding is that there is no other material except light. Our rituals, as you may call them, are an infinitely subtle continuation of the balancing processes which you are now beginning to experience.

We seek now without polarity. Thus we do not invoke any power from without, for our search has become internalized as we become light/love and love/light."