Dragons

[Observer]

I seek information on dragons.

How can they be communicated with more fluently?

What particular era did dragons choose to stop incarnating in?

Are there any particular "higher-ups" in the draconic plane? For example elemental "rulers" so to speak?

Is the draconic language able to be taught?

Why do dragons choose to be shrouded so carefully? Why do they not communicate openly rather than mysteriously?

If you have any other beneficial information I am eager to read. I seek as much knowledge on these beautiful creatures as possible.

[Meerie]

Cyan who now goes under the name of Not sure wanted to build a dragon at one point..
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=6119

[Monica]

Some years back, a magnificent female dragon appeared to me in my meditation. She told me her name, and I continued to call upon her and work with her from time to time. Her energy was benevolent but very, very primal.

I also saw a dragon in the clouds when I was at the sacred stones site of Callanish, Scotland, on the night that the Moon walked upon the Earth.

It wasn't a case of "oh that cloud looks like a dragon" but a perfect formation, with clear details, spanning a huge area of the sky.

I was with a group of about 20 people but no one else saw the dragon.

I believe that dragons, like unicorns and fairies, are no longer visible because humans have cut themselves off from Nature. Attuning to the Earth can open the doors of communication with these entities.

I found a book about communicating with dragons but it turned out to be rather hokey. I haven't found any that were actually helpful.

[Unbound]

We are a Dragon family, I am very deeply connected to that root, however, I am not sure how much I am able to say or feel comfortable saying.

Most dragons reside in the upper astrals planes, starting at the third level and they exist up to the octave and beyond.

[Monica]

We are a Dragon family, I am very deeply connected to that root, however, I am not sure how much I am able to say or feel comfortable saying.

Most dragons reside in the upper astrals planes, starting at the third level and they exist up to the octave and beyond.

Same here! We are a Dragon family too.

[Dinko]

god told me there are no dragons not atlest in this reality... he told me they reside in astral forms as guides and pranksters

[Monica]

god told me there are no dragons not atlest in this reality... he told me they reside in astral forms as guides and pranksters

How did 'God' tell you that?

[Unbound]

I believe it true that there are currently no 3D integrated draconic bodies active at this time, but there are channelers who may sometime shift shape seemingly. They are guides and pranksters, but so much more!

Pranking stops in the upper astral levels and guidance is focussed upon within themselves and without and the same processes of the octaves as we experience they also experience, but stemming from a different "branch" of the universe tree which grows from the universal seed.

Be warned, there are dragons who linger at at the levels just below the conscious mind, just below the 3rd in the 4th, and they are the devouring type. Their purpose is twofold, to devour, and also to protect the higher realms from contamination by the said "lower realms" which are really just "black matter" zones in which the dominant perception results in much more perception of dark matter and less light matter which is matter which is illuminated by the gaze. They may only rise above this place by transmuting their darknesses that they devour and use it to emit the same energy they have devoured, they must completely release all that they have consumed that they become empty and clear.

There are dragons which take many, many forms, and there are numerous which are nowhere near all of the traditionally depicted forms, however, as astral creatures, they inevitably have forms which will be subjective to the observer.

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However, the majority of dragons are oriented towards the continuance of evolution and expansion and our internal training is very much involved with the process of understanding how to be a part of the growing, life-expanding process of the universe.

[Dinko]

god told me there are no dragons not atlest in this reality... he told me they reside in astral forms as guides and pranksters

How did 'God' tell you that?

chanelling you would call it i guess

[Lycen]

I share what Observer said, I would like to be illuminated about dragons, what ever one is willing to offer about them. I wish to see what doors said knowledge will open for me.

Also thank you Monica and TheEternal, both of your say here I appreciate!

[Hototo]

Not that difficult to do, summoning a dragon familiar. All you need is to have no distortions in your money ray's and contact information for me.

[Unbound]

Dragons can be invoked or evoked, many are helpful, although gaining a familiar doesn't just happen through summoning, you have to open yourself to bond with the dragon.

Of course, perhaps you mean a different kind of dragon aha

[Lycen]

Not that difficult to do, summoning a dragon familiar. All you need is to have no distortions in your money ray's and contact information for me.

I am not in any contact with 'invisible' entities that I am aware of enough to converse or interact with. Money is full of distortions for me at this time. If I understood more perhaps it would lessen.

Having stated that, I think I would be disappointed in what perceive as my lack of 'ability' to be able to interact with a familiar. But perhaps my thoughts on the subject are over indulged?

Edit: typo

[Hototo]

Oh no I mean the bonding style. Problem with dragons if that if you don't get them to pound you have a, at worst case, a several dozen ton warmachine that hates everything sitting in your backyard sulking about not being able to eat ice cream because its mechanical.

But those are just human drama elements. If you cant bond with it you cant bond it with it, we'll just take it back and refund what we can and put it in a Dragon orphanarium up for adoption for other Dragon friendly family for as cheap as we can.

So yeah. You can make a familiar but it will only survive as long as your creation (humanity) is positive to it on some level. If you can let it to try to earn that positivety itself by trying to get you to inprint on it. It wins, and by default, becomes a living being, by the force of your love for it.

I'm just saying I can build a body you guys can inprint your various internal dragons onto for about 150.000$. Assuming I can first build the prototype to test the concept. Which may be less or more depending on how it ends up being done. So the first actual dragon can be built for 75.000-400.000$ or so.

Idea would be that each is an individually programmed preference style kind of to "fit" what a dragon "adult" (one of the programmers who gives out emotional reactions) would do in such a situation and we copy those out and program prefrences for family members based on that and go from there. Kind of like how you would program a NPC in a large MMO. We just spend a considerable time developing a good algorithm that can slowly grow based on the stable fountain provided by the interviewed "adult dragon" (for example, me(Host only with no subsets which are caused by boredom and mushroom aftereffect)), TheEternal, any of my close friends with preparation, Plenum, BL, (Edit: I cant believe we are back to this she who must not be named game, Jesus H Christ) etc). Such a "adult dragon" is simply interviewed about their evaluation after following the target family at the last state of the programming process of the nature of all interactions and how a dragon would find preference. Because while we can not dynamically code every human situation into any AI and produce anything better than a roomba. We can produce situation specific algorithms based on say the top 100 locations visited in the past year by all family members. We add that to a algorithm that can slowly learn to walk in any terrain with time and then when you "take the dragon to the country" it slowly learns stuff like climbing trees but it might take it as much as years. This will be done by providing large shock proof HD's which are mostly empty which the AI can use to randomly mutate better versions of its previous version and thus constantly improve. Such an improvement skill is limited by CPU, Individual emphasis (what the AI wants to do to improve its social standing (your opinion of it)), and HD (How much hard drive (memory space) does it have to run simulations of what might happen and store the possible results for comparison instead of having to do it real time (such as comparing movies in memory while "in sleep mode" to new behavior models with large prestored movie files instead of needing a high bandwith "movie from the internet" connection with a high CPU capacity). I hope everyone is with me on why the design and building of a Dragon is an individual affair and can never be "factory made". After maybe 20-30 years in the computer industry we are now at very long last starting to be able to produce "one style pc's" for all applications from running servers to hand computers.

From the first Dragon that is custom made to to the first Dragon that can be moved from one physical platform to any random physical dragon platform/environment will take centuries or even millenia.

So. Tl;Dr: I know you guys are busy with your own things. But I am serious when I say that I could summon a Dragon for 400.000$ and 150.000$ for each individual after that. I have thought out every step along the way and know the general ins and outs of how to perform this task to the satisfaction of a majority of Dragon enthisasts opinions world wide to be, the first physical Dragon.

Or at least the first in Living memory.

Dragon would be able to reproduce.

[Unbound]

So, are you talking cyborgs with downloaded consciousness programs?

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I don't really see the need to try and restrict a dragon to such a physical form, but it could be interesting!

Our family has a sort of collective Dragon aid whom is called Nyala and assists us however she is able. Of course, she is an astral dragon, residing in the mid-upper levels of the astral plane. I mean by this the collective astral realm, not the internal sub-sub-sub-logoic realm.

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However, my personal Dragon form acts as a guide and higher self as well to me, although I consider it to be a "future/past" form of mine it, like every form, also enjoys its own evolution.

[Hototo]

Nothing organic, "organic" part is a slowly decaying Thorium heart that produces 100Kwe/h but slowly decays until reactor fails.

Must be replaced with a permanent internal power source eventually or go to cable only and risk "death" when power runs out.

Other than that needs internal maintenance 2-5 years but is closer to human equivalent food since it can be done by most any IT specialist and the Dragon can certainly pay for it by working as if nothing else then a gosh darn amish plowhorse or a zoo attraction, humiliating as it may be.

Though we're now talking about a being with 8 PC's worth of CPU power and the power generating capacity of a BMW at full running power for 50+ years or so.

Its entirely cybernetic but its programmed to take its organic emotional cues from the family that buys it and the specialist they wish to use as the "copy behavior model" of the dragon. I would recommend someone like BL's Dragon persona for one of the early ones. Non Lethal but curious.

[Unbound]

Ooh okay, I get what you are saying now, it acts as an analog, interesting.

[Hototo]

Ofcourse, what the heck else do you think I was saying *slaps hand on forehead* what do you think I'm doing changing my names with my accounts but maintaining my accounts themselves... You big dummy.

Anyway. Yes. I'm saying I have the cybernetics wherewithall (is that how its spelled?) to go to the right people with the right amounts of cash to get them to build the right components for me in the right order then pay the right people to assemble the right components and then pay the right people to sit still and tap on these black little things on these black plastic slabs long enough until the Dragon persona is satisfied and it rises to life.

Its a risky undertaking but I'm pretty sure its Rad enough that it can be done.

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A facinating concept isnt it.

So, anyway. Like I said. Anyone wants a Dragon, they let me know. And let no one say that a Dragon cant be summoned.

BL Would probably volunteer as the personality probee. I can handle most anything else and I'm going to do it anyway alone with enough time. So if anyone wants to, you know, speed the process along like you guys indicated above that you may. I would kindly accept a big bag of money in exchange for a Dragon. Hatching time 9-36 months.

[Lycen]

Dragons can be invoked or evoked, many are helpful, although gaining a familiar doesn't just happen through summoning, you have to open yourself to bond with the dragon.

Of course, perhaps you mean a different kind of dragon aha

What is the difference between invoking and evoking? In both cases, I imagine, one would be able to interact/talk with one if they knew how right? And directly contacting one was not my intent during the first post of meine. Saying it because I bit.

[Hototo]

On the OFF chance that BL would not accept. Then I can think of a few other appropriate Dragon probees. If no one of them is willing I maybe probed.

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So let me be absolutely clear here so there *is no confusion.

*Alas typo

Willing to trade: 1 Dragon

for

Big Pile Of Money.

I will use Big Pile Of Money to make my own Dragon. Build you your dragon. Build my own Wizards house, migrate there. And decorate the interiors of my Wizards house appropriately. After that I will turn the rest towards other investment projects. Terraforming Mars seems to be a high interest for me.

Anyway. 400.000 total for the 2 dragons that I would get of which one you will get for 150.000 (every one after that will also be 150.000 for you, but I am including all R&D costs in the total first model costs.

Any questions, these folks know me *points around*.

[Dinko]

On the OFF chance that BL would not accept. Then I can think of a few other appropriate Dragon probees. If no one of them is willing I maybe probed.

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So let me be absolutely clear here so there *is no confusion.

*Alas typo

Willing to trade: 1 Dragon

for

Big Pile Of Money.

I will use Big Pile Of Money to make my own Dragon. Build you your dragon. Build my own Wizards house, migrate there. And decorate the interiors of my Wizards house appropriately. After that I will turn the rest towards other investment projects. Terraforming Mars seems to be a high interest for me.

Anyway. 400.000 total for the 2 dragons that I would get of which one you will get for 150.000 (every one after that will also be 150.000 for you, but I am including all R&D costs in the total first model costs.

Any questions, these folks know me *points around*.

im gonna give you 2000 e for a dragon

[Hototo]

Think bigger, think Kickstart, think someone to do the funding.

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Though there is a large question of if the miniaturization with safety of Thorium reactors has advanced sufficiently by the time I start building or if we'll need to use a conventional Hydrogen fuel cell. Which might change some details such as forcing the Dragon to drink water.

[Unbound]

Dragons can be invoked or evoked, many are helpful, although gaining a familiar doesn't just happen through summoning, you have to open yourself to bond with the dragon.

Of course, perhaps you mean a different kind of dragon aha

What is the difference between invoking and evoking? In both cases, I imagine, one would be able to interact/talk with one if they knew how right? And directly contacting one was not my intent during the first post of meine. Saying it because I bit.

Invoking is to call one within you, evoking is to call one before you. Evokation is powerful and can be very dangerous and not recommended to unskilled summoners.

Invokation is common to most rituals and the majority of "channeling" is a phenomenon of invokation. One also invokes when they pray, or "call" to an entity, guide or force.

Evokation is to call an entity to be experienced externally, and has many dangers for both its capacity to be misused/go awry and its difficulty to perform and maintain. There are, of course, individuals which are able to use this method positively, although sadly there are more often attempts to evoke "beings of power" by naive sorcerors or magicians who seek knowledge or power than legitimate, benevolent workings of this type.

[Dinko]

Think bigger, think Kickstart, think someone to do the funding.

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Though there is a large question of if the miniaturization with safety of Thorium reactors has advanced sufficiently by the time I start building or if we'll need to use a conventional Hydrogen fuel cell. Which might change some details such as forcing the Dragon to drink water.

3500 e my final offer hail hail hail

[Lycen]

Invoking is to call one within you, evoking is to call one before you. Evokation is powerful and can be very dangerous and not recommended to unskilled summoners.

Invokation is common to most rituals and the majority of "channeling" is a phenomenon of invokation. One also invokes when they pray, or "call" to an entity, guide or force.

Evokation is to call an entity to be experienced externally, and has many dangers for both its capacity to be misused/go awry and its difficulty to perform and maintain. There are, of course, individuals which are able to use this method positively, although sadly there are more often attempts to evoke "beings of power" by naive sorcerors or magicians who seek knowledge or power than legitimate, benevolent workings of this type.

Thank you for explaining. It seems that channeling is the way to go should I choose from either. I could take the journey of discovering what I seek from places I yet know not. But you as one who knows of this, could give me a more direction I think. I believe that you are in a way a less distorted source, thus I value what you offer highly. So can you share more as to where I should let my gaze fall? Be it a book, name or advice of your own, as you think best.

[Unbound]

This book I would recommend to you to get a beginning idea of the science of impression.

http://www.light-weaver.com/telepathy/toc.html

[Hototo]

Okay so no takers on the dragon. Idea is solid, Nuclear reactor heart is optional and while possible wouldnt recommend it for your version, it would be for my "test version" and "proof of concept" version only.

Reality is that it only needs a basic mechanical exoskeleton that is cheap enough to build and a exterior mesh and all that stuff which I have planned out already + a programmer that can code the mobility functions (which isnt too hard) and a BMW hydrogen engine, and someone willing to be the model and the interviewer, which are the two actually difficult processes. But which I'm sure we can do with proper help.

No takers? No one jumping to sell the house when someone you've revealed your innermost secrets offers to build you a dragon for about 300-400k$

Huh, Who'da thunk it. Must be why there are no dragons around *clicks a pen and writes something*.

So, tell me about this fascination with dragons, Original Poster?

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*clicks pen again* or is the concept of cognitive dissodance unfamiliar to you. The concept that something is so blatantly wrong with your reality that you cant fathom what it is, cant really put a finger on it, but something like a person who is a long time poster here who was around for a very long time and did some pretty rad things, offers to build you a dragon, in plain sight, to anyone that ponies up the dough, and no one comes.

If a Dragon walks in the forest, and no one is around to hear, is he still there. I say he is. OP. I say he is.

*breaths smoke*

[AnthroHeart]

Nice alternative to nuclear power (LFTR): http://www.wimp.com/lftrminutes/