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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Spiritual Development & Metaphysical Matters The paradox of Trust

    Thread: The paradox of Trust


    Jeremy (Offline)

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    03-26-2014, 11:07 AM
    Trust is something that we are taught at a very young age. We grow to trust our parents with our livelihood, we trust those teachers to guide us through our adolescence and teenage years and quite possibly through the years of university. But what about once we are on our own within a world of mistrust, deceit, self serving? What about those integral figures from our past that betrayed this supposed trust?

    What is trust to you? Some would say that trust is the confidence that one has that an other self wouldn't inflict harm in any way or act in a deleterious way. But are you sure that's all that trust really is? Are you sure you aren't setting up an action, a belief, even an expectation of a person based upon control or self preservation?

    This trust as people call it can also be likened to a thought or belief that is willed upon an other self solely for the purpose of self preservation of ones feelings or ego. Such willed thoughts can be looked at as a direct infringement upon the other selfs free will if you think about it. Such willed thoughts are expectations that this other self would never do this person harm or break this bond that they cherish so much but who is one to say what an other self should and should not do?

    Then when this pseudo-trust is broken, this person feels betrayed and in severe cases, heartbroken to the point where one dwells upon it and allows such a breach of something so sacred, it starts to take on an identity of it's own. This identity is know as mistrust. This mistrust in any and all of those other selfs which could potentially cause more harm, immediately negates all potential teach/learning experiences to one due to the proverbial wall or shell of protection against that which seems to be the inevitable in this damaged mind.

    When one who takes such levels of trust and incorporates them into their daily life, one will inevitably run into disappointment thus by putting such an emphasis on trust, one is potentially setting themselves up for failure from the very start. Such expectations are completely illogical and unreasonable especially considering the ever important point of preserving an other selfs free will which leads me to my final point.

    By always allowing the other self to be free of such willed thoughts or expectations, one is truly accepting this other self and the individual that they are. By allowing and accepting that this other self is free to do as thou wilt will enable one to accept that which seems unacceptable to those who place such importance upon this trust concept. You can always hope/trust that an other self doesn't hurt you as long as it's followed by the statement and true belief that this other self is still free to do as thou wilt. Only then can one who's been beaten down by feelings of a breach in trust or even those who have a general mistrust of other selfs can ever begin to break free of the enslavement that this reliance on trust creates.

    So in conclusion, trust is something that many seem to hold in such high regard yet when one truly begins to think about what trust truly is in terms of the Law of One, one can never place such an importance on trust in an other self and also truly accept that person in every unconditional way. Because trust is a belief or thoughtform created to serve the self by preserving the self for the self.
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    03-26-2014, 03:34 PM (This post was last modified: 03-26-2014, 03:40 PM by Adonai One.)
    Trust as our people term it is a significant distortion. In my belief/understanding, trust is only truly found when the self resonates with what it has so far as to intuitively discern what exists and how. This resonance being shaped in blind faith that calls the self towards what is now trusted. This is uncommon in our people and remains to be a struggle for humanity. The key for this struggle is trust in the self and intuition as often termed the "sixth sense" and not just basic mental processes.

    The self is all. What simply needs to be found is connection between all-selves. This is where trust truly lies.

    You are well to discern this. Thank you.
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    03-26-2014, 03:47 PM (This post was last modified: 03-26-2014, 03:48 PM by reeay.)
    Trust looks different on many levels - from something to do with your personal trust or sense of security... All the way to more trust as in faith level. When it's something akin to faith, you've let go of expectation and can accept something as is, whether ones judgment determines it to be positive or negative bc there is understanding that each catalyst is opportunity for growth. Trust in the basic sense can imply safety and security in relationships.
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    03-26-2014, 04:20 PM (This post was last modified: 03-26-2014, 04:21 PM by Adonai One.)
    Faith that all will be well is an essential aspect of trust; what needs to be considered is self-respect in the case of trust in a relationship. Blind trust in another, blind dependence on another is to allow the self to become assimilated into another's desires rather than consider them by one's own volition. This should be considered with great discernment. Thank you.
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    03-26-2014, 04:26 PM
    I think a sense of trust/mistrust depends on whether or not your able to rely on your own capability to choose that which 'serves your highest good', in any given situation.
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    03-26-2014, 05:20 PM
    I'm mainly interested in discussing the trust relative to the 3D interaction with other selfs. Trust in your higher self is based more upon faith and for something such as your higher self to misguide you would negate the very reason for its purpose.

    As Adonai touched upon, if one were to live a life with the mantra that all will be well, one can then realize that a concept of trust is rather useless and even detrimental to one attempting to live within each moment. All will be as it be regardless of whether one places expectations as to how an other self would choose to act in any given situation. Thus to will that person by expecting how one should be in any given interaction based upon trust seems like an infringement to me.

    Let's take a mated couple for instance. One half has this trust that the other won't lie or cheat. Of course this is an agreed upon expectation. Now if one were to break this trust, was it only the fault of the self that broke said expectation or was it both because the other was hurt by said infraction instead of truly accepting that which at that moment seemed unacceptable?

    This is where forgiveness is so important within this incarnation. Forgiveness is the ultimate acceptance of an other self with whom one feels has been betrayed. Therefore by accepting all that will be, will be, you negate the very reason to have such expectations and therefore a reason to ever factor trust into any given interaction.
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    03-26-2014, 05:35 PM
    Jeremy, if the expectations are based on fear it's likely a sign that there is little 'trust' to begin with.
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    03-26-2014, 05:55 PM
    What is 'all is well' mean then. That's along the lines of faith but faith is not higher self stuff, it's inherent in all things in 3D.

    There's a lot of unconscious stuffs that gets thrown around in relationships, such as psychological attachment, which is kind of what analysts call 'complexes' - organizing principles of how you believe, think, feel, and behave. You used the word 'fault'. Fault is one of those concepts that can escalate situations and not really resolve conflict - and this is more than semantics. The attitude of pinning responsibility or wrong-ness can just lead to more conflict for adult relationships e.g., people get defensive or they feel hurt. So framing fault onto action that leads to distrust can create more distrust. Ideally everyone shares some responsibility in more neutral ways e.g., understanding how things went the way they went, how people became to do what they do (lie or cheat or whatnot). That's kind of the basic opening to acceptance/forgiveness. Most times it will lead to person's experiences while growing up and being in certain types of relationships like parent-child, peer friendships, and intimate relationships. Especially critical events in someone's life that lead person to believe something about others selves and own self.

    This little template around relationships is unconscious so it helps to bring out those things, you know. One can forgive or think one is forgiving others while something still nags you bc it's like near the surface of consciousness but you can't pin point why it bothers you... Those things get magnified in relationships so that kind of means relationships are a great way to know self more.
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    03-26-2014, 07:54 PM (This post was last modified: 03-26-2014, 07:55 PM by Adonai One.)
    Faith and trust are intertwined. What faith is not is complete trust in something or someone, it is faith that all will be well and that all desires will be fulfilled inevitably. Trust is simply an extension of knowing the self through this faith. Trust can only come when the self is known in another so far that there is an inherent unity. Trust can be forced and compelled as it often is but it can often come without any force but a simple intuitive feeling that all is well with another or thing.

    This is my belief/understanding. Please discern with care. Thank you.
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