10-18-2014, 09:11 PM
(10-18-2014, 07:09 PM)Monica Wrote: Then you assume wrong. I'm not even thinking about legality at all. All of my views have been from the perspective of spirituality, not legality.
The idea of imprisoning meat-eaters is absurd. Not because animals are worth less than humans, but because meat-eating is so ingrained in society.
Therefore it is moot.
I think not.
(10-18-2014, 07:09 PM)Monica Wrote: Why not? What is the difference?
What, the difference between someone who is vegan, and someone who has basic human morals? That's a pretty absurd question.
(10-18-2014, 07:09 PM)Monica Wrote: Are you 'rigid, fundamentalist and self-righteous' for having those convictions?
I don't think so. You tell me.
(10-18-2014, 07:09 PM)Monica Wrote: Agreed. But that doesn't apply here at all.
I think it does
(10-18-2014, 07:09 PM)Monica Wrote: Then are you saying we should be tolerant of murderers and rapists? And never try to raise awareness about human murder and rape? (since that would be 'moralizing'.)
Absolutely not. I am not in any way opposed to moral standards.
(10-18-2014, 07:09 PM)Monica Wrote: Why do you say 'of course not'? Isn't that a double standard? Why is it ok for you to 'moralize' about your convictions that murder and rape are wrong, but it's 'self-righteous, arrogant and judgmental' if vegans do the same?
Monica you are making a really strong generalization and assumption here. I am talking about what came across to me in our discussion here in this thread, not "vegans". This does not apply to vegans as a group, in fact I think vegans should stop thinking of themselves as different or set apart from meat-eaters. We are one humanity and we need to start acting that way. One Earth. One humanity. We need to create a food system that works for everybody and is nurturing, sustaining and loving.
(10-18-2014, 07:09 PM)Monica Wrote: You aren't answering my questions. Why is me pointing out the obvious (that backyard chickens are typically sold for meat) 'judgmental/self-righteous'? Is it not a fact that backyard chickens are sold for meat?
Well then. I am not answering your questions?
I wasn't aware that people sell their chickens. In fact, I adopted 3 old ones that someone needed a home for and that is how I got started with it. If you care so much for these animals, why don't you adopt the old ones like I did?
(10-18-2014, 07:09 PM)Monica Wrote: What difference does that make? I told you that I actually support people who raise backyard chickens. I buy their eggs at the farmer's market. So it appears that you have made some assumptions here. If you got angry when I asked whether those chickens get sold for meat, that isn't may fault. It was an honest question.
As have you made a ton of assumptions. And it makes a difference because if you are making judgments about people who raise backyard chickens, I don't think that is helpful to your cause at all, I think it really hurts the cause of a sustainable and nurturing food supply.
(10-18-2014, 07:09 PM)Monica Wrote: It isn't a black-and-white issue. I don't like that they are sold for meat.Well, like I said, you could put your money where your mouth is and adopt some, like I did, and encourage others to do the same.
(10-18-2014, 07:09 PM)Monica Wrote: But we have to feed our dogs and cats, so for now I continue to support people like you. For you to twist that into me supposedly 'judging' you and being 'self-righteous' and then getting angry, are all your own perceptions/projections, not mine.
Well we have to feed humans too. There are millions, billions of starving people. The children's home we support in Kenya has 100 kids. I was able to visit them. They have a cow, and would like to get enough money to get chickens for the eggs, which I fully support, financially and otherwise. I twisted nothing Monica. You clearly have said you support them "for now". I can definitely sense some judgment there, deny it if you want, it doesn't really matter either way. I just hope you will change your mind about the chickens, it is a really great way to get people to break out of the system , AND feed the hungry people of the world.
(10-18-2014, 07:09 PM)Monica Wrote: Right now, I am spearheading a project to pay people to watch a 4-minute slaughterhouse video. This has been been done by others and has proven to be the most effective strategy ever, to raise awareness. People won't usually watch the videos on their own, but they'll do it for pay. We set up a table in public places and offer the pay-per-view to passersby. I think it's a brilliant idea!
Well at least that's something. I suggest you get involved in some legal action too if people are that passionate about there cause.
Spiritual people are not blind to this issue. You are making a big judgment/ assumption there and it would be helped by making the assumption that spiritual people care, are loving, and want a better world for all of us.