Can I just say, without mentioning anyone specifically (so as not to somehow qualify as an imagined attack) that it is unfortunate, in today's day in age, that we simply cannot converse with each other, without crying foul and asking for some kind of higher authority intervention to swoop in and solve our disagreements for us? It just seems so ridiculous and lazy to me. A wonderful way to avoid useful catalyst. I feel like a lot of people that have participated in this thread are stuck in a victim mentality. I'm sure I've been guilty of it too, at times. I think it is a road that runs both ways. But I have to be honest when I say that I absolutely hate feeling like I have to be so politically correct that I am walking on eggshells in any given conversation.
I think if somebody is not happy with a forum or thread, they should probably simply not post there. What I have seen lately, is a lot of melodramatic BS. This is just my personal opinion. It serves no purpose whatsoever, except to maintain this "victim mentality". I really enjoy posting on this forum, and debating with the intelligent community it encompasses.
It saddens me that some members (who shall not be named), feel this place is so unspiritual and that they feel they must depart in a fiery display of martyrdom.
I think having a sincere desire to assist the animal kingdom is a wonderful thing. I think veganism is a fine path of service, if that is what one feels called to do. I just have no problem if someone does not feel called to that particular form of service. Just as I have no problem with larvae and caterpillars, even though they are clearly and obviously, not butterflies. I don't see any particular state of evolution as being worthy of eradication, simply because it is not as evolved as some other state of evolution. One can argue, because a higher state of evolution exists, that the lower state of evolution is unnecessary, but I've just never been able to see it that way.
It just never made sense to me.
I think that all experiences are valuable, and that one cannot judge the polarity of an act, by its outward appearance (though I freely admit you can often get a pretty darn good guess). And this is where the "personal part" of service comes in. Everybody is being called to different types of service on an inner level. If one feels spiritually called to veganism because they feel it is more in alignment with oneness, I say more power to them. At the same time if someone does not feel called to that service, then I trust, and I have faith, that they are finding service in other ways (assuming they are oriented towards STO).
I have omnivore friends, and I have vegan friends. They are all wonderful people, who serve in wonderfully different ways. I don't see their service as inferior or superior to one anothers. They all have their flaws, and their redeeming qualities. None of them is a 100% STO. That is simply not a realistic characteristic of 3rd density.
I've met some really cool vegans too. I really respect that they don't feel the need to remind me every time I see them that meat comes from animals. They respect that I already know that. Of course I've met some that think I forgot after the first hundred reminders. These are people that try to use guilt as a weapon (as an aside, an adept manipulator can convince someone to feel guilty for just about anything from spending extra money to simply eating a bagel). Fortunately, I don't succumb to that kind of emotional manipulation easily. This doesn't make me a sociopath who doesn't care or feels no compassion for animals, but rather a human being who is attempting to be of service in my own ways, with some possibilities for service I wasn't ready to do yet.
Everybody is evolving, some more slowly, and some more quickly, and in a variety of ways that you simply can't compare to one another. Something I realized a long time ago is that you don't have to force evolution along. All states of evolution are perfect, and when further evolution occurs it will be perfect too. Another thing I realized: those older and less developed states of evolution will always continue to be explored by some aspect of the creator because it a valuable part of the one infinite creator knowing itself. None of us know with absolute clarity the trials of another, and it is not our place to judge their actions even if their actions *seem* STS to us (because while you might be right that an observed action is STS, you can't actually know that).
And those beings that are ready to step out of a given state of evolution will be assisted by the universe in strange and wonderful ways. Events will be energized to action. People will be energized to action. The "angels of the universe" come in a variety of forms. Some of them will be vegans, no doubt, and their lifestyle will be the very cooperative component that the universe summoned for a particular calling or result to be realized. Some of them will be omnivores. Some will not be ready to step into the next state of evolution, and in such a case, their experience of that particular state of evolution, will proceed forth as it is, perfectly, even if by our limited 3rd density understanding, it looks like a terrible and violent experience.
Basically, in summary, everybody is serving in different ways, and the creator has not turned a blind eye to creation even if it sometimes seems that way. We are all being called to service in our own personal ways, and no service is better or worse than another. A person may take part of the flesh of animals, but volunteer at a homeless shelter or give lots of money to charities. A vegan might save many animal lives, but be a complete uncompassionate and judgmental jerk in other areas of life. Or some other combination. No creation is perfectly identical, and we are all finding balance in different ways.
Nobody is perfect and nobody is getting it all wrong either.
I think if somebody is not happy with a forum or thread, they should probably simply not post there. What I have seen lately, is a lot of melodramatic BS. This is just my personal opinion. It serves no purpose whatsoever, except to maintain this "victim mentality". I really enjoy posting on this forum, and debating with the intelligent community it encompasses.
It saddens me that some members (who shall not be named), feel this place is so unspiritual and that they feel they must depart in a fiery display of martyrdom.
I think having a sincere desire to assist the animal kingdom is a wonderful thing. I think veganism is a fine path of service, if that is what one feels called to do. I just have no problem if someone does not feel called to that particular form of service. Just as I have no problem with larvae and caterpillars, even though they are clearly and obviously, not butterflies. I don't see any particular state of evolution as being worthy of eradication, simply because it is not as evolved as some other state of evolution. One can argue, because a higher state of evolution exists, that the lower state of evolution is unnecessary, but I've just never been able to see it that way.
It just never made sense to me.
I think that all experiences are valuable, and that one cannot judge the polarity of an act, by its outward appearance (though I freely admit you can often get a pretty darn good guess). And this is where the "personal part" of service comes in. Everybody is being called to different types of service on an inner level. If one feels spiritually called to veganism because they feel it is more in alignment with oneness, I say more power to them. At the same time if someone does not feel called to that service, then I trust, and I have faith, that they are finding service in other ways (assuming they are oriented towards STO).
I have omnivore friends, and I have vegan friends. They are all wonderful people, who serve in wonderfully different ways. I don't see their service as inferior or superior to one anothers. They all have their flaws, and their redeeming qualities. None of them is a 100% STO. That is simply not a realistic characteristic of 3rd density.
I've met some really cool vegans too. I really respect that they don't feel the need to remind me every time I see them that meat comes from animals. They respect that I already know that. Of course I've met some that think I forgot after the first hundred reminders. These are people that try to use guilt as a weapon (as an aside, an adept manipulator can convince someone to feel guilty for just about anything from spending extra money to simply eating a bagel). Fortunately, I don't succumb to that kind of emotional manipulation easily. This doesn't make me a sociopath who doesn't care or feels no compassion for animals, but rather a human being who is attempting to be of service in my own ways, with some possibilities for service I wasn't ready to do yet.
Everybody is evolving, some more slowly, and some more quickly, and in a variety of ways that you simply can't compare to one another. Something I realized a long time ago is that you don't have to force evolution along. All states of evolution are perfect, and when further evolution occurs it will be perfect too. Another thing I realized: those older and less developed states of evolution will always continue to be explored by some aspect of the creator because it a valuable part of the one infinite creator knowing itself. None of us know with absolute clarity the trials of another, and it is not our place to judge their actions even if their actions *seem* STS to us (because while you might be right that an observed action is STS, you can't actually know that).
And those beings that are ready to step out of a given state of evolution will be assisted by the universe in strange and wonderful ways. Events will be energized to action. People will be energized to action. The "angels of the universe" come in a variety of forms. Some of them will be vegans, no doubt, and their lifestyle will be the very cooperative component that the universe summoned for a particular calling or result to be realized. Some of them will be omnivores. Some will not be ready to step into the next state of evolution, and in such a case, their experience of that particular state of evolution, will proceed forth as it is, perfectly, even if by our limited 3rd density understanding, it looks like a terrible and violent experience.
Basically, in summary, everybody is serving in different ways, and the creator has not turned a blind eye to creation even if it sometimes seems that way. We are all being called to service in our own personal ways, and no service is better or worse than another. A person may take part of the flesh of animals, but volunteer at a homeless shelter or give lots of money to charities. A vegan might save many animal lives, but be a complete uncompassionate and judgmental jerk in other areas of life. Or some other combination. No creation is perfectly identical, and we are all finding balance in different ways.
Nobody is perfect and nobody is getting it all wrong either.