great thoughts by unity100 here:
Patrick Wrote: I really don't get why socialism would be considered a negative concept? I also do not understand why the USA is so afraid of it?
It is because old white christian crowd had been told that it is evil.
(10 hours ago)ScottK Wrote: 4th density positive is about Sovereignty.
Its about sharing even your memories with other people, leave aside means of production like factories, mines, rivers.
In a social memory complex, where you not only share your feelings, memories, but your entire energy of being with everyone in your society, such old 'libertarian' ideas like 'sovereignty' which are merely there to justify selfishness have no place.
The concept of socialism pales in comparison to the level of sharing and collective-ness that is present in any social memory complex. People share their vital energies, memories...
How are you going to fit into a social memory complex in which you need to share your own feelings, memories, life energy if you cant even share your bread.
Quote:Socialism is about having a Master over you.
You mean like the Walton family who has 3 million+ people working for them for dimes, and then hoarding all the profit?
Or, like the 'freedom loving' Bush administration which just went and bombed a country to oblivion so Halliburton could muster $40 billion in construction contracts?
Socialism is about having a master over you because you dont know what it is.
Quote:Controlling healthcare is huge since one would have to be "obedient" to their Master to see a doctor and treat a condition.
Just like how employees in US are extra obedient to their management because their healthcare revolves around having that job?
Quote:There is no free lunch.
Precisely. That's why in Europe and every other developed country in the world we pay for healthcare with our taxes and reduce the cost of our collective insurance by incorporating everyone.
Which helps us avoid...
Quote:Paybacks are ultimately a b&^%$.
...paying $1000 per head for healthcare for everyone in the family, and then finding out that our insurance company is dodging paying their due when the time comes because... well, they have better lawyers and a deeper pocket. That is the reason why the rest of the world does not have a concept called "medical bankruptcy", which only exists in US.
Quote:And as soon as the nation runs out of money - a.k.a. Venezuela - what happens is the whole thing collapses. And it collapses spectactularly.
With, or without the open economic and clandestine warfare that goes along with being designated a 'National Security Threat' by US state department?
For having that status is just one step away from getting bombed for 'democracy'. Venezuela avoided that so far only thanks to regular visits of Russian and Chinese frigates and the political message that gives out.
Oh - that is of course forgetting that US has prodded their gulf allies to tank the price of oil so that Venezuelan government would have revenue trouble. Just like how they did back in 1980s to tank the oil price during economic warfare against USSR.
That's a casus belli. If any country did that to USA, there would be war. One should be thankful how soviets kept silent and allowed themselves to be peacefully bankrupted. For the other option was nuclear holocaust.
Socialism fails every time it is tried, but for 'some' reason, every time it requires 'help' in the form of economic warfare, clandestine warfare, coups, or outright invasion or bombing to 'fail'.
It took only $10 million allocated to CIA to destabilize Chile's entire economy back in 1970s. Nixon wrote it on a piece of paper, '10 million - make their economy scream'. And this happened only because the Chilean Socialist PM, Allende, dared to raise minimum wage a little bit so people would be able to feed their families. Result? Pepsi Cola company was furious that they would have to pay a living wage to Chilean workers at the cost of their profit - they asked their former lawyer Nixon to 'fix' it, and he did.
Quote:A few days earlier Richard Helms, director of the CIA, had scribbled notes on a meeting in Washington with Nixon, Kissinger and John Mitchell, the US attorney general, where the president demanded a coup. They read: "One in 10 chance perhaps, but save Chile! /worth spending /not concerned risks involved /no involvement of embassy /$10,000,000 available, more if necessary/ best men we have/ game plan/ make the economy scream /48 hours for plan of action."
Details freely available on CIA's own library.
Thats how 'freedom' works. And its 'democracy'.