I did the Morning Offering and then got myself ready for the day. The Hatonn and Latwii channelings for this session come from November 10, 1985:
[Carla had surgery on her wrist and hand this week.]
(Jim channeling)
I am Hatonn, and we greet you, my friends, in the Love and in the Light of our infinite Creator. Again, it is with joy that we greet each of you and join your circle of seeking this evening. We shall attempt to work with this instrument in a manner which is novel for this instrument. We hope to be able to transmit our thoughts on more of a word-by-word basis, perhaps relying from time to time upon the phrase in order to aid this instrument in his development as an instrument. Therefore, we apologize in advance for any delays in the transmission.
This evening we should attempt to speak to a concern which each seeker of truth may discover upon the path of seeking. It is often a concern to such a seeker that there is no clearly discernible pattern of thought or constructed philosophy which serves all needs of any seeker. Each seeker wishes to proceed upon the evolutionary path as efficiently as possible, and as this journey is undertaken, there is the discovery that many philosophies exist concerning how best to travel. No matter how many sources the seeker may consult, there continue to be more and more aspects of this seeking and even divergent philosophies as to how best to proceed. The concern, then, of many who consciously pursue their own evolution is, “What is truly of value at this moment in this process?”
Adding to the concerns of such a seeker is the observable fact that for any such seeker there is the ever-changing experience and pattern of thinking that develops within the seeker over a period of time. Thus, at one point within the seeker’s experience, the mind may be configured at quite a different fashion than it may later be found to be configured. Thus, there is placed before the seeker’s attention the ever-changing nature of the resources which may inform the choices that a seeker makes. Yet within each is the nebulous though persistent feeling that there is an absolute essence, shall we say, which is at the heart of all philosophies. And it is quite often the heart’s desire of the seeker to know this ultimate, shall we say, truth. Thusly desirous and propelled upon the journey, a seeker will find a multitude of reflections of that one image which as the holy grail, as it has been called, leads on and draws unto each seeker.
In this session Hatonn spoke about how we can determine the best spiritual path to travel. They began by saying this evening we should attempt to speak to a concern which each seeker of truth may discover upon the path of seeking, for it is often a concern to such a seeker that there is no discernible pattern of thought which serves all needs of any seeker, so each seeker wishes to proceed upon the evolutionary path as efficiently as possible, and as this journey is undertaken there is the discovery that many philosophies exist concerning how best to travel, but no matter how many sources the seeker may consult, there continue to be more aspects of this seeking and other philosophies as to how best to proceed, and the concern of many who consciously pursue their own evolution is, “What is truly of value at this moment in this process?” Then Hatonn said adding to the concerns of such a seeker is the observable fact that for any such seeker there is the ever-changing experience that develops within the seeker over a period of time, so at one point within the seeker’s experience, the mind may be configured in a different fashion than it may later be found to be configured, for there is placed before the seeker’s attention the ever-changing nature of the resources which may inform the choices that a seeker makes, yet within each is the nebulous though persistent feeling that there is an absolute essence which is at the heart of all philosophies, and it is often the heart’s desire of the seeker to know this ultimate truth, and propelled upon the journey, a seeker will find a multitude of reflections of that one image which is as the Holy Grail that leads on and draws unto each seeker. On April 30, 1989, Q’uo described a way of seeking the Holy Grail:
Let us look at the compelling myth of the Holy Grail. It has perhaps seized the imagination of mystics in a more direct way than any other spiritual system, for it involves entities in a myth which is adventurous. The hero must go forth alone. It must pass impossible tests. It must bring back that which is unavailable, seemingly, and it must do it for the Love of the infinite Creator. It is, of course, in the journey itself that the transformation of the hero occurs. When the hero returns, this entity, then, becomes the teacher, able to speak in parables and stories, anecdotes that may make sense to those about one.
As you move within your own individual illusion, you are aware that there are patterns within your seeking. There are methods which seem to be more related, shall we say, to you than any others. When you discover this feeling, you may determine then that there has been a recognition upon some level of your own being for that which you seek in that which has come before your attention. This harmonious feeling or intuitive inspiration then becomes the great ally of the seeker of truth, for the mind of a person can construct many magnificent structures of thought and philosophical expertise, shall we say, and if a seeker is left only with its intellectual evaluation of potential aids in its journey, then it is quite easy for a seeker thus limited to become confused when one philosophy sounds as good as another.
And, indeed, my friends, this may well be true, for each philosophy is a construction of a portion of the one Creator and thus offers the essence in some degree of the one Creator to any who hold this philosophy. Yet, to be able to discern not with the intellect but with that feeling from within which wells up in spontaneous recognition of that which is most helpful at the present moment for the seeker is to rely upon a more trustworthy friend, shall we say, for these intuitive inspirations which well up from the deeper portions of one’s being are in some fashion that which is sought or point the direction towards that which is sought. For at its heart, my friends, the process of seeking the truth is a process whereby one calls for a greater portion of the self and calls for this portion from the self.
Then Hatonn said as you move within your own individual illusion, you are aware that there are patterns within your seeking, and there are methods which seem to be more related to you than any others, so when you discover this feeling, you may determine that there has been a recognition upon some level of your being for that which you seek in that which has come before your attention, for this intuitive inspiration becomes the ally of the seeker of truth, for the mind of a person can construct many structures of thought, and if a seeker is left only with its intellectual evaluation of potential aids on its journey, then it is easy for a seeker thus limited to become confused when one philosophy sounds as good as another. Hatonn continued by saying this may be true, for each philosophy is a construction of a portion of the one Creator and offers the essence of the one Creator to any who hold this philosophy, yet to be able to discern that within which wells up in spontaneous recognition of that which is most helpful at the present moment for the seeker is to rely upon a more trustworthy friend, for these intuitive inspirations which well up from the deeper portions of one’s being are in some fashion that which is sought, for at its heart the process of seeking the truth is a process whereby one calls for a greater portion of the self from the self. On June 12, 1983, Latwii spoke of seeking the truth:
The process of the seeker in seeking the truth sets in motion many opportunities for the seeker to experience that which is sought. That portion of yourself which you have come to call the higher self often sends a symbolic message to the conscious seeking self so that by the process of contemplation and meditation the conscious seeking self might penetrate further into its own being, and find more of that which it seeks within itself. As you seek to know in order to serve, that seeking shall manifest in many and various ways.
It is the nature of a single creation that each portion or facet of the creation is contained within each individualized expression of that creation. You as such an individualized expression, then, when you seek, seek more of that which you are from your own self. Therefore, it is most helpful not only to analyze with the conscious mind that which is placed before one’s conscious attention but then to also give over that thinking and analyzing at some point in order that the greater portion of one’s own being may be allowed to move through the channel which you have created with your desire and make itself known in whatever fashion is recognizable and discernible to your conscious mind which propels your seeking.
Now Hatonn said it is the nature of a single creation that each portion of the creation is contained within each individualized expression of that creation, for when you seek, seek more of that which you are from your self, for it is helpful not only to analyze with the conscious mind that which is placed before one’s conscious attention, but then to also give over that thinking at some point in order that the greater portion of one’s being may be allowed to move through the channel which you have created with your desire and make itself known in whatever fashion is recognizable to your conscious mind which propels your seeking. On January 23, 1983, Latwii described the function of our conscious mind:
You may see the balancing of the intellectual and analytical abilities of your mind with the intuitive information from your subconscious mind as that which is most helpful in accelerating your evolution of mind, body, and spirit, for with the analytical abilities of your conscious mind, you are able to chart the path which you shall travel. By listening to those intuitive impulses which spring from some portion of your subconscious mind, then is your conscious mind informed as to larger parameters within which it might have its sway. Thus, the two portions of your mind operating in balance provide you with the means by which you are able to move upon your path of evolution within your illusion.
Our message this evening is of necessity somewhat briefer than most, for the collective energies of this group this evening are somewhat lessened, and it is our discernment that it would be best that the briefer message be delivered. We shall therefore at this time take our leave of this group, thanking each wholeheartedly for inviting our presence, and we would ask that the proper discernment be applied by each to those words which we have given that you may further exercise that intuitive knowing which allows you to weave your way through the illusion which you inhabit on your journey of seeking. We are grateful to have been able to speak this evening. We are known to you as Hatonn, and we leave you in the Love and in the Light of the one infinite Creator. Adonai, my friends.
(Jim channeling)
I am Latwii, and we too greet each of you in the Love and Light of our infinite Creator. We too are aware that the energies of this group are somewhat diminished. We shall, therefore, spare this instrument of the necessity for the word by word communication, hoping that we might be able to spend more, shall we say, information with you as the time might be shortened. May we attempt our usual service of attempting those queries which those present may have use in the requesting? May we begin with a query?
L: I’d like to ask a question or perhaps ask for whatever you would care to offer to help me understand a facet of my life which seems that there are people who go away and then return, people whose influence seems to be potentially beneficial in some aspects, other people whose potential influence seems destructive. And it’s almost as if each one is acting as a comet in its trajectory, and they disappear and they’re out of my life and then come winging back in again, and then they’re gone again, and then they come back again. What could you be able to offer to assist me in understanding this?
I am Latwii and am aware of your query, my brother. We ask that you picture a tapestry which has many colors and is designed in such a fashion that the colors move in and out, each with the other, in somewhat of a rhythmic and yet somewhat of an irregular pattern. If one looks at any one point within the tapestry, one will note that there is a, shall we say, given set of colors, each in a certain relation with the others. If one follows two or more of these colors as they thread their way through the tapestry, one will note that there is a mingling from time to time and a departure of colors again from time to time.
So, it is in the life of any seeker, for each of you, my friends, before the incarnation made general and specific agreements with many other seekers of truth. During the incarnational pattern, then, there will be the attempt to fulfill those agreements, to provide those lessons and services that were deemed a necessary part of the incarnation prior to its beginning. It may be that for a certain portion of what you call time there will unfold a relationship in some way or another with a variety of entities. Thus will your incarnational pattern unfold as the interaction between this grouping of entities creates the catalyst that offers the opportunity for the learning of certain lessons and the providing of certain services as a balancing function to the learning of lessons.
L asked: “There are people who go away and then return, people whose influence seems to be potentially beneficial in some aspects, other people whose potential influence seems destructive. And it’s almost as if each one is acting as a comet in its trajectory, and they disappear, and they’re out of my life and then come winging back in again, and then they’re gone again, and then they come back again. What could you be able to offer to assist me in understanding this?” Latwii began by saying we ask that you picture a tapestry which has many colors and is designed in such a fashion that the colors move in and out, each with the other, in a rhythmic and an irregular pattern, so if one looks at one point within the tapestry, one will note that there is a given set of colors, each in a certain relation with the others, and if one follows two or more of these colors as they thread their way through the tapestry, one will note that there is a mingling from time to time and a departure of colors again from time to time. Then Latwii said it is in the life of any seeker, for each of you before the incarnation made agreements with other seekers of truth, and during the incarnational pattern there will be the attempt to provide those lessons and services that were deemed a necessary part of the incarnation prior to its beginning, for it may be that for a certain portion of time there will unfold a relationship with a variety of entities, so will your incarnational pattern unfold as the interaction between this grouping of entities creates the catalyst that offers the opportunity for the learning of lessons and the providing of services as a balancing function to the learning of lessons. On October 3, 1982, Latwii described the nature of some of the agreements that we make with each other before our incarnations begin:
We would once again respond by suggesting that there are no mistakes within your illusion. When an entity chooses to enter within your third-density illusion, it is well aware of the parameters within which it shall move, of the resources which to it shall be available. The agreements made before the incarnation are agreements made in the light of this knowledge. Therefore, there is, in truth, no action which can be undertaken by any during the incarnation which were not seen as possibilities before the incarnation began. Thus, each activity which is engaged in during the illusion does have its effect, yet each activity was also known to be a possibility before the incarnation was begun. Therefore, such actions are not undertaken in a willy-nilly fashion, shall we say. Though their effects shall be felt by those in their vicinity, these effects have also been chosen.
Thus does the pattern of one’s life find a movement in and out of other selves who join in the rhythm of learning and the serving. The specific nature of any one entity’s relationship in your own pattern is of an unknown nature to any within the illusion. Thus, as one sees the appearance and disappearance of any entity or group of entities, one may assume in the general nature that there are those lessons and services which yet remain, for though there has been time and distance which has come between shared experience, yet there remains a certain affinity between these seekers of truth who have before the incarnation agreed to travel this incarnation in such and such a fashion.
As a small addendum to this response that we fear may have grown somewhat lengthy, we would also remind each seeker that what appears to the naked eye, shall we say, may not be in its essence in agreement with the appearance. Which is to say, it is difficult to discern the nature of any experience completely within your illusion, for what seems most helpful, happy, and harmonious in one instance may not in truth yield the harvest of lessons that another situation which seems most traumatic, disharmonious and frustrating might yield, for it is within the bounds, shall we say, of the difficulty that the spiritual strength is put to the test. This is a general description, but we hope can provide somewhat of an insight into the illusion which you inhabit, for truly it is an illusion, that which is not at its heart what it appears upon the surface to be.
Latwii went on to say thus does the pattern of one’s life find a movement in and out of other selves lives who join in the rhythm of learning and serving, for the nature of any one entity’s relationship in your pattern is of an unknown nature to any within the illusion, so as one sees the appearance and disappearance of any entity or group of entities, one may assume that there are those lessons and services which remain, for though there has been time and distance which has come between shared experience, yet there remains a certain affinity between these seekers of truth who have before the incarnation agreed to travel this incarnation in such and such a fashion. Now Latwii said as a small addendum to this response that we fear may have grown somewhat lengthy, we would also remind each seeker that what appears to the naked eye, shall we say, may not be in its essence in agreement with the appearance, but it is difficult to discern the nature of any experience within your illusion, for what seems most harmonious in one instance may not yield the harvest of lessons that another situation which seems disharmonious might yield, for it is within the bounds of the difficulty that the spiritual strength is put to the test, but we hope we can provide an insight into the illusion which you inhabit, for it is an illusion, that which is not at its heart what it appears upon the surface to be. On January 6, 1991, Q’uo described the nature of the illusion of third density:
That is to say, that the nature of the illusion is helpful, so that, in order to transcend experience, one must enter freely into experience. The way to realization of the nature of the soul and the nature of the Creator is through the illusion, not around it in any way. It is when moving through experiences that are appropriately valued and respected that one may begin to transcend them, and to achieve an immediate awareness of the presence of Love, that is, the one infinite Creator.
Thusly, if you wish to move from shadow to Light, it is well first to realize that the search shall be in shadow, and that you shall be in the shadow more and more, in pain more and more, as you continue to learn, to evolve, and to grow. You are in pain because of the subjective nature of experience. It is painful to reprogram your computer, but as you go through especially traumatic experiences, or as you go through nontraumatic experiences in attentiveness, you begin to have the motivation to use each opportunity for learning amidst all the shadows.
May we answer you further, my brother?
L: No, that’s given me quite a bit for thought. I appreciate it. Thank you.
I am Latwii, and we thank you, my brother. Is there another query?
N: Last week you said that the angle of a pyramid was 76 degrees for the healing chamber. But is the angle—I checked it, or at least the great pyramidal Giza, Cheops, was 51 degrees, 51 minutes and 14.3 seconds. How do you measure these 76 degrees for the healing chamber?
I am Latwii and am aware of your query, my brother. The angle of 76 degrees and 18 minutes, approximately, is the angle of the apex of the so-called great pyramid at Giza, and it is the angle which allows the formation of the King’s Chamber, as it has been called by your peoples, and this location was the location used in days of old for the healing. Yet it is the position which has been suggested to be of a potentially dangerous nature for those entering it who are in any degree distorted towards the distortion of power of others, shall we say. The lack of purity in the desire to utilize this position can be further distorted by the apex angle that is greater than 76 degrees.
I am Latwii. May we answer further, my brother?
N: There was an approximate thirty feet of top cap for the great pyramid. Was it ever put on? And if it was, what happened to it?
I am Latwii and am aware of your query, my brother. This capstone, as it has usually been called among your people, was in place at the initial period of construction of this structure and was at a later time replaced with a capstone made of your granite material. This was itself removed at yet a later date by those many entities who sought to remove the outer portions of this structure for the purpose of constructing yet another structure.
May we answer further, my brother?
N: Well, thank you very much. Carla and I were talking about the Christ-like consciousness, that there was a book written that shows that there were fifteen or sixteen over the eons. Have there been that many? Or more? And was Jesus Christ the man reincarnated from other Earth entities previously, and if so which ones?
I am Latwii and shall attempt response to this query by suggesting that there have been a larger number of entities upon your planet in its past who have achieved that state of awareness which has come to be called the Christ consciousness. The number of entities described in the book of which you speak is a number which has been given to a specific portion of your planetary surface, most notably that area of the desert known as Sinai. There has been, however, throughout other portions of your planetary surface, the gaining of the perspective, shall we say, which is known as the Christ consciousness. Various traditions, cultures, and practices have been utilized over a great portion of your planet’s third-density experience by various individuals who have sought the heart of the lessons of this illusion and have found in great part that heart of Love within their own experience.
The entity known to your peoples as Jesus of Nazareth was an entity of this nature who had in previous incarnations achieved various levels of consciousness as a portion of its mission as what you would call a wanderer, and in this progression of incarnations sought to be of service in a manner which then was culminated in the incarnation of which you are aware. We are not able to utilize this instrument in giving names of the entity known as Jesus of Nazareth in its previous incarnations for there is a good deal of energy required to focus upon names not familiar to this instrument, and it is within the levels of what you would call trance that such energy is available for the retrieval of these names.
N asked: “Carla and I were talking about the Christ-like consciousness, that there was a book written that shows that there were fifteen or sixteen over the eons. Have there been that many? Or more? And was Jesus Christ the man reincarnated from other Earth entities previously, and if so which ones?” Latwii said there have been a larger number of entities upon your planet in its past who have achieved that state of awareness which has come to be called the Christ consciousness, and the number of entities described in the book of which you speak is a number which has been given to a specific portion of your planetary surface, mostly in the Sinai desert, but there has been, throughout other portions of your planetary surface, the gaining of the perspective which is known as the Christ consciousness, and various cultures and practices have been utilized over a great portion of your planet’s third-density experience by individuals who have sought the heart of the lessons of this illusion and have found in that heart of Love within their own experience. Now Latwii said Jesus of Nazareth was an entity of this nature who had in previous incarnations achieved various levels of consciousness as a portion of Its mission as a wanderer, and in this progression of incarnations He sought to be of service in a manner which then was culminated in the incarnation of which you are aware, but we are not able to utilize this instrument in giving the names Jesus of Nazareth in His previous incarnations, for there is a good deal of energy required to focus upon names not familiar to this instrument, and it is within the levels of what you would call trance that such energy is available for the retrieval of these names. On February 10, 2024, Q’uo described the nature of the heart of Love:
When one looks out upon the world about one, one must remember, that this third density is an illusion. It is an experience of seeming separation from each other, from the One Creator, and from the heart of Love. And yet, if you are aware that the Creator exists within each entity, you are aware that each entity is giving the Creator a means by which it may know Itself better, even in those areas which might seem of a negative or traumatic way. This is a means by which each entity in this third-density illusion and in all third-density illusions may be of service to the Creator.
And also there is the sure knowledge that the Creator exists within each entity, and that at some point each entity will find within itself that great desire to seek more of what is within the world around it in a spiritual sense, so that it may travel that positive path into service to others and eventually move into the fourth density of Love and understanding.
Thus, both the seeming negative experiences and the positive are means by which the Creator can know Itself better, and the spiritual seeker can know the Creator better and itself better. So that in the final analysis, shall we say, all is one, all is well, and all will be well.
May we answer further, my brother?
N: No. Thank you very much.
I am Latwii, and we thank you, my brother. Is there another query?
[Pause]
I am Latwii. We are aware that we have been somewhat brief in our stay with this group this evening, but are most appreciative for each moment that we have been allowed to share. We thank each for allowing our presence and our words. We also remind each that our words are but our fallible attempts to be of service. Take those which have meaning. Leave those which have none. We shall leave you at this time rejoicing in that Love and Light which propels and guides us all in our seeking of the one infinite Creator. Adonai, my friends. We are those of Latwii.
This morning the quote from The Thunder of Silence is: “In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus summarizes the difference between Judaism and His new teaching which was not yet known as Christianity but as the teaching of a radical and independent-thinking Hebrew rabbi. And what is the teaching of this man who was undoubtedly the most illumined and spiritually developed of anyone ever known, so illumined that today the world practically revolves around His teachings?
The word Grace will reveal what it is. The law came by Moses, “but the truth by Jesus the Christ.” This grace and truth mean something quite different from what is meant by the law. And so for three hundred years after Jesus’ ministry, there were people traveling up and down the Holy Land, crossing over into Rome and Greece, teaching and preaching, not the law as set forth in the Hebrew faith, but a something new, a something startling, something different called grace and truth which gradually came to be known as the teaching of Christianity.
The first followers of His teachings were called Jewish Christians because they were Jews who were followers of the Christ. In fact, in those early days, only those who were Hebrews could become Christians. But eventually Paul and Peter realized that this Christ-teaching was more than just a different kind of Judaism. It was unique, something separate and distinct of its own, and gradually it came to pass that in order to become a Christian, it was not necessary to be a Hebrew first: circumcision was no longer required, and many other time-honored practices were forsaken; the disciples began to preach to the Gentiles and to acknowledge that this teaching of the Christ was universal in its nature, until the day came when even the pagans of Rome and Greece or any person, regardless of their background could, if they would, become a Christian.
So, for several hundred years this was the state of the Christian teaching, and then one of the strangest events that has ever happened in the history of the world took place. A church was organized that adopted all the rites and rituals of the Egyptians and other pagans of the day, that accepted bodily and literally Judaism as taught in the Old Testament, discarded all the Christian teaching except the name of its revelator, and then called itself the Christian church. But what happened to this Christ-teaching of “resist not evil,” or did it still cling to the ye-have-heard-it-said of old teaching of an “eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth”?
The practice of true Christianity lifts the Adamic man who would wreak vengeance on his enemy from the karmic law state of consciousness to the consciousness of grace and truth which reveals a God of Love instead of a God of rewards and punishments.
The God Jesus revealed was of an entirely different nature from that of the Old Testament, and in that part of the Sermon on the Mount which deals with karmic law, Jesus taught that sin is punished by the sin itself, but no reference is made to a God who punishes. It is clearly explained that as we do unto others it will be done unto us—not by God but according to the karmic law of as ye sow, so shall ye reap under which all human beings live. Our deeds of Love are reflected back to us in Love, and our evil deeds are brought back to us in evil effects by the very act itself. By our own state of consciousness, we set in motion both the good and the evil. “With what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again”—not by God, but by the law.”
Later this morning I went on an errand run. My first stop was at Thieneman’s nursery where I bought two flats of Impatiens, four flats of Zinnias, two Lenten Roses, and one flat of Pink Lantana. My second stop was at Frank Otte’s Nursery where I bought four flats of Gerberas.
This afternoon I had an appointment with my dentist, and he replaced the temporary filling where I had the root canal 16 days ago with a permanent filling. After I got home, I transplanted the Zinnias, Pink Lantana, and Gerberas on the top of the Wuthering Heights Mound in my front yard. Then I transplanted one of the flats of Impatiens on the bottom of the Wuthering Heights mound, and I put the other flat of Impatiens on the front porch. Then watered all of the flowers on the Wuthering Heights Mound with fertilized water. Then I took the two Lenten Roses and transplanted them in the Lenten Rose Garden in my back yard. Then I watered them with fertilized water.
From A Book of Days channeled by Carla L. Rueckert:
May 4
The Wellspring Of Life
I am the Spirit of the living Christ. I greet you in the full consciousness of Love.
The living wellspring of life comes to each and yet awaits the asking, just as water remains in the pipe until the faucet is turned.
The holy city of God stands with plain streets and glass stones until the seeker within its gates opens those gates to let in that vivifying spirit which turns glass to gem and plain streets to crystal seas and golden portals.
Each seeker already stands at the wellspring of life within the city of God. Yet until the call goes out in full sincerity from the heart of the pilgrim, the manifestation of joy and wholeness cannot be felt.
We stand waiting without the gates for the principle of the full consciousness of Love to be asked to enter.
We await each call in perfect confidence of the glorious outcome. For all consciousness shall see Christ. We leave you in peace, now and always. Amen.
I said the prayer for the Gaia Meditation tonight:
We come in the name of Love and open our hearts minds, and souls to send Love, Light, and healing energy to Mother Earth as she brings forth a new Earth in the fourth density. We ask that the infinite Love, Light, and healing energy of the One Infinite Creator heal the hearts of all souls in pain on Earth tonight. May all souls on Earth feel our Love, Light, and healing energy in their hearts, their minds, and their souls. Amen.
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