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(09-15-2017, 09:25 PM)anagogy Wrote: [ -> ]To make a REALLY LONG story short, the original Illuminati were extraterrestrials that came here from Sirius. Due to genetic problems caused by our sphere they were forced to interbreed with the local populace at the time, much to their horror and chagrin (somewhere during the second cycle of 3rd density on this sphere). They tried to keep their bloodline as pure as they could and did so, successfully to some degree, for centuries but today they have diluted their bloodline to the point where the 3rd density members of this group are now fully human.

Looks like the text that I shared! Have you some source to research?

(09-15-2017, 09:25 PM)anagogy Wrote: [ -> ]This was the so called "bloodline of Lucifer". This is one of the main reasons they see themselves as elite or superior to the rest of the populace. It is not literally Lucifer. Lucifer is simply an archetypal metaphor for the serpent wisdom which they worship. The so called "luminescent one" or "light bringer". He represents enlightenment to them, and a resistance to the ways of God.

I understand, but I believe that Lucifer is a Logos. In this case, the archetype of separation, good and evil, emanates from this Logos (that was involved in a specie of Rebellion, when the separation was "created"). This is based in many sources and studies but mainly in Ra confirming your existence:

Quote:There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.

(09-15-2017, 09:25 PM)anagogy Wrote: [ -> ]But I'm telling you, that person was not a member of the Illuminati. They were simply an intelligent and somewhat well read individual who had delved extensively into the Ra material and the Cassiopeia material and the Montalk material (this is why they thought 4D was the end of the STS path) But I'm not here to tell anyone what to believe. Use your own discernment. All is well.

I see. Well, I thanks H_H anyway, it helped me to found "The Ra Material", the most important thing that I studied in my current incarnation.

anagogy

I will gladly share, keeping an open mind requires a none judgmental view. Truth is truth even if it turns our worldy views upside town, or breaks our religion.
We are brothers and sisters in the seeking of truth, seek truth always. Ofcourse it is easy for me to say this after the fact, but I went through this, it was both exiting and confusing.
And I don´t have all the answers, but I know what is true in this matter, because I dared look and listen. Truth matters, we don't have the leasure to ignore it, you'll find out why.

ODD Reality is a youtube channel which helped me a lot, if you're confused go also there, listen and watch.

God bless

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... and Some Pertinent Ballistics and Fire-Control Fundamentals for Long-Range Heavy-Artillery Gunnery*

"The Paris Gun ... was the name given to a type of German long-range siege gun, several of which were used to bomb Paris during
World War I. They were in service from March to August 1918.... The gun was capable of firing a 106-kilogram (234 lb) shell to a
range of 130 kilometers (81 mi) and a maximum altitude of 42.3. kilometers (26.3 mi) -- the greatest height reached by a human-made
projectile until the first successful V-2 [self-guided rocket] flight test in October 1942....

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Comparable damage from similar-calibre cannon-shell-strike

"Since it was based on a naval weapon, the gun was manned by 80 Imperial Navy sailors under the command of [a] Vice-Admiral....
[A writer/journalist notes:] 'The projectile was the first human-made object to reach the stratosphere.... It took about three minutes for
each giant shell to cover the distance to the city, climbing to an altitude of 25 miles (40 km) at the top of its trajectory.

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" 'This was by far the highest point ever reached by a man-made object, so high that gunners, in calculating where the shells would land, had to take into account the rotation of the Earth [in addition to the curvature of the Earth itself]. For the first time in warfare, deadly projectiles rained down on civilians from the stratosphere.' This reduced drag from air resistance, allowing the shell to achieve a range of over 130 kilometers.' "

--- Excerpted from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Gun (emphasis added)

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A fortiori with the titanic Gustav in World War II. Not to even mention today's superguns, which range 100 miles:

"To specify a position on the surface of the Earth we use a system of
coordinates that consists of two angles: latitude and longitude.
Latitude is the angle measured from the Equator in direction North-South.
Longitude is the angle in the Pole between the Meridian of Greenwich and
that of the considered position.
A similar system is used for the Celestial Sphere. The angle analogous
to the latitude in the celestial sphere we call declination. The declination is
measured in the plane North-South, from the Celestial Equator. The analog
to the longitude is named Right Ascension or Ra. Like the longitude, the
Right Ascension is measured from an arbitrary Meridian: the Vernal Equinox
Point (a.k.a. first point of Aries."
--- Facetiously excerpted from http://www.tecepe.com.br/nav/inav_c11.htm

Incidentally, it would be a gruesome thing if some intrepid aficionado of the flat-earth model would
attempt to enter into calm, reasonable, friendly parley with these savagely hyper-rationalist skeptics:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/for...p?t=317936
The image of a fuzzy kitten thrown into a cage full of starving pitbulls with toothaches comes to mind
for some reason. Extra bonus points for bravery would be awarded if said aficionado admits to being
a Bring4th'er on top of the flat-Earth thing, as the skeptics have already run Carla & Co. into the ground
for being egregiously loony New-Age-exploiting cult leaders, blatant frauds hawking a patently screwball
phony-baloney "alien" mumbo-jumbo ideology, and, as well... they're also shameless pornographic filmmakers
and actors! Now you know. How the mighty have fallen. Alas.

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* Kids, do not try this at home.

(09-16-2017, 08:59 AM)Lycen Wrote: [ -> ]I will gladly share, keeping an open mind requires a none judgmental view. Truth is truth even if it turns our worldy views upside town, or breaks our religion.
We are brothers and sisters in the seeking of truth, seek truth always. Ofcourse it is easy for me to say this after the fact, but I went through this, it was both exiting and confusing.
And I don´t have all the answers, but I know what is true in this matter, because I dared look and listen. Truth matters, we don't have the leasure to ignore it, you'll find out why.

Lycen, my apologies for letting this response go unanswered for so long.

I'm glad that you are interested in truth, my brother. I'm a lover of truth, also, and I revel each time I am forced, by the power of spiritual discernment, to sacrifice a distorted belief upon the alter of the Real. At each transformation, I praise the one infinite creator, for with it, I know I am one step closer to conscious union with the One.

In that spirit, I share the following information:

I also want you to know, even prior to this thread, I had watched a *LOT* of flat earth videos. I'm the type of person who is willing to question everything I know. I watched a bunch more to refresh my memory.

But here's the thing, mostly what I see is people applying logic incorrectly. And applying science incorrectly. Science is remarkable and exacting work. And sometimes the correct conclusions are not always immediately obvious. By the way, I think it would be really cool if the earth was flat. It would be incredible to learn such an incredible secret. But my brother, I'm telling you, this is not based in reality. Please be open to examining this further. I know all too well the seduction of having secret knowledge. But be careful, my brother, because the 'missteps in the night are oh so easy'. As you say: "Truth is truth even if it turns our worldly views upside town, or breaks our religion."

I could not agree more.

I would gladly address any particular evidence you think proves beyond a shadow of doubt the earth is flat, in a completely nonjudgmental way, but there are a lot of phenomena the flat earth model simply does NOT explain. The heliocentric model of the universe, on the other hand, explains all of it, despite certain personalities confidently asserting that it does not. I was going to make a list of the alleged evidence of zero curvature and go over it one by one in exacting fashion, but there are people who have already done an outstanding job of it. It is easy to be taken in by a group of people who say things with confidence and assuredness that they are right (it happens in cults and religions all the time and people like Eric Dubay, just as an example, sound very sure of themselves) but I'm telling you, if you are indeed sincerely interested in truth, then consider the following information:

Some Common Flat-Earth Theory Fallacies

I don't blame anyone for their mistrust of the government.

People sense they are being lied to by the authority. I get that. Believe me, I do. But, please hear me when I say: this is not what they are lying to you about. It is a covert psyop designed to divide us from one another.

A link for you all, should you have missed it, it's pictures with text.

I've believed what you believe, I know what you believe, it was part of my life for years. That is why I know how hard it is to see this perspective.
But truth is truth and if we are seekers of it, we'll follow it wherever it leads or we don't. You can't see what IS unless this belief you have in The Law of One is put aside.
LOO is a religion, you can't see a radically different perspective if everything which reaches you, you filter through the LOO.

I know I'm testing your faith but if your beliefs are based on truth, they will not crumble under scrutiny. I challenge you to test them with this, don't use the LOO, set it aside and watch what is being shown with your own discernment.
Try to understand what is being shown, it will take time to sink in.

Be brave and seek truth always.

The link: https://twitter.com/FlatEarthReal/media

/yawn

I think it's both. There we go, argument solved.

I don't mean to be dismissive, I've just seen this back and forth a billion times.

Oh man some of these are hilarious. Like "if the Earth was a globe" and it shows all the water on the bottom and all the land at the top, like WHAT! LOL They realize that North and South are arbitrary directions and that the Earth doesn't actually have a 'top' and a 'bottom' right?

Now I'll be honest, I don't agree with the commonly accepted theory that gravity is a result of the spinning of the Earth, I think there is a different mechanism at play, but I mean, really?

I mean, I'm glad people are at least taking the time to think for themselves and figure out their own theories. I support that, but I mean some of these suggestions are pretty silly in my eyes.

Also before you start on it I don't think that because of the LOO or any philosophy, just my own experiences studying physics.

I thought the Earth's rotation was caused by momentum, not gravity?

If the Earth is flat, why can't I see the hurricanes blasting the East Coast from the West coast? I've played minecraft, that's a flat world.

I know my perceptions are of my mind but I don't think no matter how much I or many people believe deeply, the Earth won't just -poof- be flat.

Mathematically a round sphere is supported in everything from the tracking of long distance projectile displacement to weather pattern tracking to the path planes must take (they don't fly perfectly straight on long flights, they need to adjust their altitude.)
Also rocket science. And also if Earth isn't a sphere then why is the sun, moon, black holes, and other planets? Are we the super ultra special planet of the cosmos and so important we're flat because God was bored with it's own design?

So far every 'proof' I read is a play on concepts and perceptions.

Why does the sunlight change colors across the day as it rises from a orange sunrise to a bright clear sun high in the sky back to a orange light at sunset? Why is the moon appearing larger horizon and shrinks as it gets higher up as well as changes from orange to white to orange?

The curvature of the atmosphere which certain radio signals bounce along to travel across the globe, isn't, you know, distorting light at certain angles of penetrating our atmosphere to produce different colors inaccurately portraying partly in illusions of shape and color distortion those objects casting light that we orbit and are orbited by which requires a mass of sufficient quantity to produce such a flight anyways which last I checked, resulted in compaction in a vacuum which usually over time results in a spherical ball floating alone mostly through space.

That's all just further tricks and illusions? It's all being seen through a fisheye lens of the mind?

Carl Sagan warned us about this. That mass ignorance is more dangerous than most other potential issues to arise in his near future.

Now people are getting pregnant on tinder dates and think the world is flat and that Trump and WW3 are desirable.

Where, the hell, did I stumble into?
I'd like to go back now? Even the Hollow Earth as a honeycombed cavernous interior in parts makes more sense than the Earth is Flat with a Firmament for an atmosphere which separates us from the heavenly icy cold vacuum of paradise known as hell frozen over.

I could see this concept applying the inner metaphysical planes though, but not to physics. Math doesn't lie, people and religions do.

(10-09-2017, 03:54 PM)Lycen Wrote: [ -> ]A link for you all, should you have missed it, it's pictures with text.

This isn't proof, its just outlandish unscientific claims with sensationalist headlines. All easily debunked when a modicum of scientific critical analysis is applied. And all these "bubbles in space are proof this is under water" are just silly. People spill liquids on the space station. They aren't robots. And guess what form liquid droplets take in zero gravity? A bubble like shape. Flat Earthers see this and immediately jump to the conspiracy conclusion.

(10-09-2017, 03:54 PM)Lycen Wrote: [ -> ]I've believed what you believe, I know what you believe, it was part of my life for years. That is why I know how hard it is to see this perspective.
But truth is truth and if we are seekers of it, we'll follow it wherever it leads or we don't. You can't see what IS unless this belief you have in The Law of One is put aside.
LOO is a religion, you can't see a radically different perspective if everything which reaches you, you filter through the LOO.

In none of the 4 videos that I posted was the Law of One mentioned once. Just pure scientific observations anyone can make for themselves. Science is based on observation, which anyone can do. It is not dictated by authority. It is independently verified by a great many people. The entire point of the scientific method is to separate subjectivity from objectivity, so we can see what is "really there" as opposed to what we want to be there (Flat Earthers are looking for what they want to be true with all the cherry picking random bad evidence and discounting really strong good evidence -- the tactic of all psuedoscience).

(10-09-2017, 03:54 PM)Lycen Wrote: [ -> ]I know I'm testing your faith but if your beliefs are based on truth, they will not crumble under scrutiny. I challenge you to test them with this, don't use the LOO, set it aside and watch what is being shown with your own discernment.
Try to understand what is being shown, it will take time to sink in.

Again, none of the 4 videos I posted to you required faith at all. That is the beauty of science, it does NOT require faith to determine its reality. Flat Earth, on the other hand, is a religion (I would almost consider it a cult), that *DOES* require faith. Faith that NASA is faking the thousands and thousands upon thousand of images and videos they have released. Faith that every person (including MANY private citizens) who have paid to go up to space are lying to the public (since Flat Earthers don't believe space is real). Faith that when you watch the interviews with the astronauts talking in extreme detail about harrowing journey to the moon in exquisite detail, that they were just lying and making it up. Faith that this very very very poor application of observation of the world, by Flat Earth conspirators, is an accurate and correct application of science (it isn't). Faith that every scientifically literate person in the world is "in on the conspiracy".

I challenge you to discount with proof even one observation brought up in the videos I presented. The Flat Earth "proof" (and I use that term very loosely) is all snake oil and mirrors. Find me a picture of an object hidden half way on the horizon line (like a cruise ship) and show me it magically zooming back into view with a powerful camera (you can't). Show me a video, on a clear sky, of the sun or the moon shrinking from perspective as it goes behind the horizon (you can't, because that isn't how it works). Show me a picture of being able to see the northern constellations from the southern hemisphere (if stars are part of a dome shaped "firmanent", this should be easily done (since you can see the moon from everywhere in the world), but you can't because the Earth is a globe). And lastly, use flat earth to predict even a simple future astronomical event, like an eclipse (it can't, because it doesn't understand how they work). The heliocentric globe model, on the other hand, predicts all these things with ease, down to the second it occurs. The mark of a good scientific theory is its ability to predict future events. Flat Earth fails badly in this department.

These are massive holes in the theory right here. You drank a belief that was snake oil. It happens to all of us. Have the courage to honestly look at that. You are taking all these things on FAITH. Not on true observation. It is simply a misfounded conspiracy, and misdirected paranoia towards authority for an imagined reason.

(10-09-2017, 03:54 PM)Lycen Wrote: [ -> ]Be brave and seek truth always.

Be brave and apply true critical analysis to this, as this is what real truth seeking is.

I would like to thank you, for reminding me how important critical thinking is. I had been undervaluing science as of late, and you made me appreciate it, and the hard work true scientists go to, to learn amazing facts about our physical world. If the whole point of the grand Freemason conspiracy was to hide flat earth from the populace because it would separate us from our realization that the creator has its hand in everything, well, then it was a pointless and futile exercise, because I find the symphony and majesty of the spheres moving about the sun more indicative of a creator, than a flat earth could ever convey. I've also realized the cancer of conspiracy talk and theorizing, which Ra attempted to convey, because it festers in the mind to the point where the paranoia reaches truly epic levels, where you begin to believe that every person in the world is "in" the on the conspiracy. This is the definition of a mental virus. Thankyou for the reminder.

There is science and then there is scientism, the latter is what we are being teached.

(10-13-2017, 06:09 AM)Lycen Wrote: [ -> ]There is science and then there is scientism, the latter is what we are being teached.

Lycen you have not addressed a single one of Anagogy's points?

(10-13-2017, 06:09 AM)Lycen Wrote: [ -> ]There is science and then there is scientism, the latter is what we are being teached.

And yet you refuse to refute or explain even a single argument I've brought up because it disagrees with your new biblical belief system?

There are people that treat science as a religion (scientism), but you are treating it like its the devil, refusing to accept any evidence that doesn't match what you want to be true. Even phenomena that is visible with the naked eye.

That isn't science either. It's religion, which isn't interested in facts unless it conforms with the distortions (the stories) passed down from all the other people.

But it is clear you are not interested in having a conversation, or seriously looking for answers, you are just looking for confirmation of what you already believe. That is what most of the world is doing (I've done it in the past as well). There are places where the scientific method breaks down, for example, with things that are not falsifiable or testable (like the human spirit), and so they are left up to the mystics, but with the physical world it is remarkably exacting and discerning for most things (especially involving physics). Flat Earth for example is readily testable, and it readily fails the reality test.

But if you're happy with your religion, so be it. But don't believe for a second that you are honestly looking at the facts here, because it is painfully obvious you don't want to acknowledge them.

Amusing anecdote of Richard Garriott (private citizen) on his trip to space:

If someone mocks you and talks down upon you, do you go out of your way to converse with them? We are revealed by our actions, I'm doing my part in providing proof for the flat earth as is the intent of this thread, from multible directions. I'm not here to debate, I know people can see truth if they are exposed to it, I'm here to provide that, the rest is up to each and everyone of us.

(10-14-2017, 05:18 AM)Lycen Wrote: [ -> ]If someone mocks you and talks down upon you, do you go out of your way to converse with them? We are revealed by our actions, I'm doing my part in providing proof for the flat earth as is the intent of this thread, from multible directions. I'm not here to debate, I know people can see truth if they are exposed to it, I'm here to provide that, the rest is up to each and everyone of us.

Where did I mock you? I'm sorry if you felt I was talking down to you, but the evidence is just not compelling to me.

I simply asked for proof. You provided conspiracy videos which didn't provide anything substantial. Just bad science from my perspective.

I've watched all those videos you've posted here well before this thread even, and in my humble opinion, they don't constitute good proof at all. I've waded through countless conspiracy vids on anything and everything, and these videos cut and paste, take things out of context, and generally jump to all sorts of conclusions. I've also seen tons of visual anomalies like this in various video players, so graphical anomalies quite simply don't mean everything is being faked either. Consider this is being streamed down from space, and we all know how intermittent satellites can be (but I guess you don't even think satellites exist, so I can see why you wouldn't consider interference between space and earth to be a factor).

The whole "NASA admits we can't leave low Earth orbit" is taken out of context all the time. The reason is because we haven't built a vessel (in the public domain at least), that has the necessary radiation shielding for transiting humans across the van allen belts, that has those capabilities since the moon landing. We simply haven't had a reason to. Flat Earthers have taken that statement out of context like crazy. This is an example of a few facts being gathered, and then a story, or mythos, collecting around those facts, and then the heard is being encouraged to follow.

Also consider that just because CGI technology is getting better, doesn't mean that everything is being faked. Much of these technologies are being used for demonstration purposes, much as meteorologists do with green screens pointing to weather phenomena. Just because a moon landing video was faked (and I'm not necessarily saying it was), even that wouldn't mean we didn't go to the moon as another example. People draw far too many conclusions. I'm guilty of it too sometimes.

I'm not saying there are no conspiracies, I just don't believe this particular one is a well founded one. At the end of the day, people are going to filter all information through their belief systems, and transcending belief systems is probably the most difficult thing in existence. More and more I'm valuing objectivity.

I also think it is weird how in so many flat earther videos, they always say space is fake, and then they immediately proceed forth with, "all lens corrected videos of space show a flat earth." Doesn't that seem weird? That they assert the fakeness of space, and assert that it is all CGI, and then turn around in the same second, and then use it as PROOF for their position? I'm just not convinced by the objectivity of the people who post videos like that.

I don't understand why people think the Earth is flat. When a raindrop falls it's not flat. Snowflakes aren't flat. Nothing naturally forms flat unless it has an extreme cohesion with an extreme axial rotation.

Crystals don't form flat, I've never seen a flat rock except ones chipped off along a mineral growth seam.

There aren't flat bodies of water, and flat surfaces of water adhere to gravity.

Which something with sufficient mass to form strong gravitational pulls is never flat.

It's not even science, it's math, and math does not lie.

The sun, a big ball of fiery white hot burning fire is not flat. Black Holes that make gravity by stars look weak are not flat and they're even called holes which is a similar label of a 2Dimensional circle.

We live in 3D. The flatness gains depth. Circles and holes become spheres, squares become cubes.

Hurricanes are not flat and neither is our galaxy.

Other planetary bodies and interstellar phenomena are not flat.

The Earth is not flat. It is not an attainable form to sustain life on. Further, if it is flat where's all the sailors and pilots who say they've been to the edge? Where's the picture proof? In this day and age someone would've said something about finding the edge of the flat world. How can planes fly around the entire Earth from either direction?

How are there seasons? Does the Flat Earth rotate like a spun coin about to fall flat down?

And finally, why Earth and not the moon? We only see one side of the moon ever, it's a prime target for flat large bodies floating in space theories.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatland

This whole flat earth versus spherical earth is not even a matter of theoretical debate for some of us. It's within the realm of my personal experience, specifically for two reasons:

1) I've flown hundreds of international flights. You can literally see the curvature of the earth at high altitude on a clear day at around 40k feet, especially around dawn or dusk:

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That's not photo-induced curvature. How do I know? I've personally experienced the curvature with my own eyes, looking out the window. It is slight, but it's there.

2) I've personally spoken to others and I've video conferenced with others on the nearly opposite side of the globe, and have seen how the sun is literally out in India when it's night in the US; or vice versa, or when it's dusk here and dawn there and vice versa. But not just India, a few times in other areas, such as Hawaii and Europe as well, all while talking from the East Coast. Barring complicated theories, the spherical earth is the most simple and obvious explanation for this.

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But if this is a forum about Ra, Ra is also pretty clear Earth is a sphere. It refers to this planetary body as a sphere many times; just one quote:

Quote:9.13 Questioner: Were there any entities of this form that I am now— two arms, two legs— on this planet before this transfer occurred?

Ra: I am Ra. There have been visitors to your sphere at various times for the last four million of your years, speaking approximately. These visitors do not effect the cycling of the planetary sphere. It was not third-density in its environment until the time previously mentioned.

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That being said, my heart goes out to those who are confused by false conspiracies. Just like false flags, there is a tremendous amount of disinformation about there. False protesters, the list goes on. (I don't doubt there are false studies as well, specifically designed to be discovered to be false, to discredit other science). Falsity is the nature of negative control, and it makes rational sense to plant false conspiracies everywhere, in order to distract and draw attention away from the real ones. It can be a confusing world for sure.

I would also say that a key but difficult part of the spiritual journey is discernment and I wish everyone the best of luck in their journey. It's often an underdeveloped in many people, both seekers and non-seekers, and I think takes years to of dedicated focus before it fully comes online.

yes, the earth is flat.

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(10-15-2017, 02:53 PM)xise Wrote: [ -> ]This whole flat earth versus spherical earth is not even a matter of theoretical debate for some of us. It's within the realm of my personal experience, specifically for two reasons:

1) I've flown hundreds of international flights. You can literally see the curvature of the earth at high altitude on a clear day at around 40k feet, especially around dawn or dusk:

[Obviously self-serving, crudely-Photoshopped pic omitted]

That's not photo-induced curvature. How do I know? I've personally experienced the curvature with my own eyes, looking out the window. It is slight, but it's there.

2) I've personally spoken to others and I've video conferenced with others on the nearly opposite side of the globe, and have seen how the sun is literally out in India when it's night
in the US; or vice versa, or when it's dusk here and dawn there and vice versa. But not just India, a few times in other areas, such as Hawaii and Europe as well, all while talking from the
East Coast. Barring complicated theories, the spherical earth is the most simple and obvious explanation for this.

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Ha ha! And that's just where your flimsy argument for non-flat-Earth crashes & burns, Mr. Smartypants! We enlightened, progressively-thinking
scientifically-minded types know that so-called eye-"balls" in actuality are flat eyediscs!! -- not spheroidal orbs!!
So naturally if you naively use them to try to see your vaunted & totally delusional "round-Earth" will-o'-the-wisp, what you "see" (other than
what they are self-characteristically showing you -- i.e., the fractal-formulaic universality across all scales of glorious flatness as it is inevitably
naively misperceived in its local timespace by those not In The Know optically) will be a phony projection, a mere illusional misconstruction of
fatally-biased abstractions tendentiously overlaid upon & wickedly overpowering your God-givenly pure flat-eyeballistical optics!

Proof!!

More damn Rounders disinformation to cloud the issue!!

Allegorical of the enlightened shedding of the stifling & scratchy Woolen Underwear Of Orbical Mental Conditioning
Foisted Upon a Helpless & Trusting Discoidal-Hearted Humanity by the Deluded & Wicked Contemporary So-Called "Standard-Model Science" Cult

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But if this is a forum about Ra, Ra is also pretty clear Earth is a sphere. It refers to this planetary body as a sphere many times; just one quote:

Quote:9.13 Questioner: Were there any entities of this form that I am now— two arms, two legs— on this planet before this transfer occurred?

Ra: I am Ra. There have been visitors to your sphere at various times for the last four million of your years, speaking approximately. These visitors do not effect the cycling of the planetary sphere.
It was not third-density in its environment until the time previously mentioned.

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Sure, believe some far-off aetherial entity who doesn't even have physical eyeballs (flat, round, or indifferent) at all!! What can it know about
this knotty matter?!

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That being said, my heart goes out to those who are confused by false conspiracies. Just like false flags, there is a tremendous amount of disinformation about there. False protesters, the list goes on.
(I don't doubt there are false studies as well, specifically designed to be discovered to be false, to discredit other science). Falsity is the nature of negative control, and it makes rational sense to plant
false conspiracies everywhere, in order to distract and draw attention away from the real ones. It can be a confusing world for sure.

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The One, True, REAL conspiracy unravelled, for your dining & dancing pleasure (burn after reading):

I would also say that a key but difficult part of the spiritual journey is discernment and I wish everyone the best of luck in their journey. It's often an underdeveloped in many people, both seekers and
non-seekers, and I think takes years to of dedicated focus before it fully comes online.

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I'll have you know that some of us are just built out of True Discernment, right out of the gate -- and thus never make misteaks.

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If you are open to new evidence, this video was streamed live during SpaceX's launch. Notice the camera on the rocket showing the curvature of the earth as it leaves the upper atmosphere at the 32:30 mark:

Discernment is hard. I would encourage everyone to have compassion for both those who only believe in the mainstream media's / US government's official stance on all things, and for those who may have trouble discerning between true 'conspiracies' (aka NSA mass surv. before it was whistleblown) and false conspiracies, because there surely are plenty of both. We live in a world where truth and fiction are intermixed, and often served on agenda to us by those in power.

Though I think the posts in thread weren't made with the intention to hurt anyone, if we took an unveiled view of our reality, I would bet good money that all of us currently believe in something completely that is false - whether it's a mainstream perspective on something or a false conspiracy - so while we might think it's funny someone fell for the false earth conspiracy, perhaps humility and understanding could be useful in this area.

(03-18-2016, 10:39 PM)eccentric1 Wrote: [ -> ][quote='particlepopup' pid='201616' dateline='1453929298']

Anyhow yes LOO does mention sphere many times but quite a number of those mentions are preceeded by "within your planetary sphere" or" entering your planetary sphere" or "into your planetary sphere". Two mentions of "upon your planetary sphere" as the remeberance why we came here as wanderers and us at fifth density. Is the within refering to the earths planes or is it a literal reference to within the earth?

Greetings & Salutations One & All,

Just in case you missed these Q & A s:

60.21 Questioner: Is the Earth solid all the way through from one side to the other?

Ra: I am Ra. You may say that your sphere is of an honey-comb nature. The center is, however, solid if you would so call that which is molten.

60.22 Questioner: And the honey-comb nature— are there third-density incarnate entities living in the honey-combed areas? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This was at one time correct. This is not correct at this present space/time.

60.23 Questioner: And there are no— are there any inner civilizations or entities living in these areas that are some of the other than physically incarnate who do come and materialize on the Earth’s surface at times?

Ra: I am Ra. As we have noted, there are some which do as you say. Further, there are some inner plane entities of this planet which prefer to do some materialization into third-density visible in these areas. There are also bases, shall we say, in these areas of those from elsewhere, both positive and negative. There are abandoned cities.

60.24 Questioner: What are these bases used for by those from elsewhere?

Ra: I am Ra. These bases are used for the work of materialization of needed equipment for communication with third-density entities and for resting places for some equipment which you might call small craft. These are used for surveillance when it is requested by entities. Thus some of the, shall we say, teachers of the Confederation speak partially through these surveillance instruments along computerized lines, and when information is desired and those requesting it are of the proper vibratory level the Confederation entity itself will then speak.

This information reminds me of some scenes in various Sci-Fi films.

The Morlocks from H.G. Wells' "The Time Machine."

The scene towards the end of the film "They Live" where the two main characters go underground & are given the grand tour of the facilities.

As to the "Flat Earth" nonsense, a scene from "K-Pax" says it best.

Peace be with you,

~ Thomas
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One of the first things he says in the movie is " your planet is really bright" as he looks around amazed. This makes me think of how Ra says are illusion is more dense and vivid.

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