(06-30-2015, 12:21 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: [ -> ]That is the most terrible idea I’ve ever heard.
As someone who frequently suffers from insomnia, and general distaste for waking up early, I
sympathize.
(06-30-2015, 12:21 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: [ -> ]When Ra says much like your own, do you think they are saying much like your own density, or much like your own currently activated (yellow-ray) body?
I think the fact that they even brought up talk about "other densities" while talking about the devachanic body is
quite telling, indeed. But yes, I think they meant "much like your own density". The fact they were discussing bodies in other densities is indicative (at least, to me) that they were referring to
physical bodies. Consider for a moment, that physical incarnation involves entering into multiple lives in many differing bodies. For example, you could have a different ethnicity in every life. What ethnicity or physical characteristics do you suppose your time/space body possesses? This is a point of some interesting consideration. Do you see what I mean by this level of energy expression being a less tangible manifestation? It is more of a "probability field", a more
general manifestation, as opposed to the more
specific manifestation that is a physical body, which is a crystallization of probability -- a collapse of a wave function to specific particulate manifestation.
(06-30-2015, 12:21 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: [ -> ]As to the rest of your great essay…
To make sure I’ve got the gist of it: Ra says there exist seven sub-densities within each density, meaning our third density has seven sub-densities within it. You assert that those sub-densities correspond with two things:
(1) The major density of the same color ray.
(For instance, the first sub-density of third density is red and corresponds with the nature, or composition and form, of true first density.)
(2) One of the seven subtle bodies.
(For instance, the first sub-density of third density is red and corresponds with the nature, or composition and form, of the red ray or elemental body.)
Basically, from my perspective, all densities exist in all the rays. However each density is particularly resonant with a particular ray. So, for example, 1st density is predominantly identified with Red Ray, and thus, it views the universe, and all other rays, from its Red Ray perspective. That equals 1st density.
The first subdensity of 3rd density is red ray as viewed from the perspective of consciousness that is predominantly identified with Yellow Ray, thus, it equals physicality as perceived from the self aware perspective. This is why you
only see 3rd density physical. You cannot see 2nd density physical, for example, or 1st density physical, because everything you are seeing, in the physical world, is from your uniquely Yellow Ray vantage point.
When you look at 2D:red physical constructs, you only ever see the 3rd density physical portion of them. Because that is all our consciousness can understand based on the level of vibration we currently exist at.
This is also why, for example, when Ra spoke of black holes they talked about the black hole apparent in "3rd density physical", because that is the only portion of physicality we can perceive.
(06-30-2015, 12:21 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: [ -> ]To what do you think the term "subtle" applies? The six bodies not presently activated? Or those bodies which are higher in sequence than the body presently one (as the higher bodies are less physical)?
The subtle bodies are simply those bodies that are
less tangible than the one we presently inhabit. What makes a body either subtle or gross? Simply, degree of tangibility. In a wider sense, there is actually a physical body that you have regardless of whether you are in incarnation or not. You can think of it as a kind of subtle physical body. This red ray body is the "vitality" sheath. Some occultists would call this the "etheric body" (though clearly not the one Ra was referring to). It is also the body astral projectors inhabit when they are in what many of them call the "real time zone". It is part of the physical world, just not part of the physical world that is perceivable when in the body.
(06-30-2015, 12:21 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: [ -> ]Then, these seven true-color bodies, rays, and densities move on a spectrum from purely space/time or physical (red) on one end, to purely time/space or non-physical (violet) on the other, with gradations of ratios in between the two poles, where tangibility characterizes the space/time end, and intangibility the time/space end. In other words, between form and formlessness.
Exquisitely, and precisely correct.
(06-30-2015, 12:21 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: [ -> ]So, using our density, you would diagram the seven sub-density bodies as:
Yellow-red
Yellow-orange
Yellow-yellow
Yellow-green
Yellow-blue
Yellow-indigo
Yellow-violet
And you would say that Yellow-red is the entry body for this density, and evolves upward from there as the entity progresses through third density.
I’ve never considered this before. Does Ra speak to this elsewhere in the text?
Well, it would be more accurate to say that as 3rd density yellow ray beings, we inhabit that whole continuum. It is like a spectrum of focus. And, yes, initial entry into physical incarnation requires a predominant focus on the red ray level, but the consciousness is constantly vacillating up and down the continuum during an incarnation. These subdensities correspond to the chakras, or energy centers, as expressed in 3rd density. And Ra does indicate the correspondence of the subdensities to the chakra system in one section:
Quote:17.38 Questioner: Well, does each… does… this is difficult. Our physical plane: Are there seven sub-planes to what we call our physical plane here?
Ra: I am Ra. You are correct. This is difficult to understand. There are an infinite number of planes. In your particular space/time continuum distortion there are seven sub-planes of mind/body/spirit complexes. You will discover the vibrational nature of these seven planes as you pass through your experiential distortions, meeting other-selves of the various levels which correspond to the energy influx centers of the physical vehicle.
The invisible, or inner, third-density planes are inhabited by those who are not of body complex natures such as yours; that is, they do not collect about their spirit/mind complexes a chemical body. Nevertheless these entities are divided in what you may call an artificial dream within a dream into various levels. In the upper levels, desire to communicate knowledge back down to the outer planes of existence becomes less, due to the intensive learn/teaching which occurs upon these levels.
At least, that is how I, personally, interpret that section.
(06-30-2015, 12:21 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: [ -> ]If this is indeed the case, I would contend that the newly minted third-density entity begins his or her progress at the Yellow-yellow level. (Or in the case of the succeeding density, the Green-green level.)
Ra describes evolution of consciousness as raising the locus of awareness upward. When that locus is seated in a new ray, or chakra, it has transcended but already includes the junior levels.
Likewise for the progression upward through the densities. When consciousness has met the qualifications for entrance into third-density (i.e., self-awareness/individuation), that locus has risen to activate and inhabit the Yellow-yellow body without necessity to retrace steps through Y-r and Y-o.
The sub-red and sub-orange of third density can certainly be experienced and explored, but they have already been accomplished; they exist as part of the underlying structure which supports the beginning Y-y entity.
Alternatively, perhaps the progression through Y-r and Y-o happens through conception. Ra describes the orange-ray body as that which exists in the womb. So that, having moved through Y-r and Y-o through conception, the 3D m/b/s complex is vibrating good old fashioned Yellow-yellow upon birth.
I agree with you in the sense that in each succeeding density, the kundalini is raised higher and higher through the chakra system. The requirement for graduation to the next vibrational continuum (4D) is achieved by raising it the green sub density and seating the energy there. And most 3rd density beings are generally vibrating in yellow sub level of yellow (as an interesting aside, because our consciousness naturally gravitates to this vibrational level, in or out of the body, the natural seating of the consciousness for the 3rd density being is in the middle astral planes, just as animals naturally gravitate to the intelligence level of the lower astral plane.)
But throughout an incarnation our consciousness is always vacillating up and down the continuum. For example, if you were born in a 3rd world country and your consciousness was constantly occupied by thoughts of basic bodily survival, you would be vibrating down in the 3rd density red range, until those needs were balanced, and could then think in terms of personal self hood, and then societal interaction, and so on.
(06-30-2015, 12:21 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: [ -> ]This is an exquisitely concise summary hitting the highlights of the spectrum from form to formlessness, or vice versa.
On the point of the violet-ray being the purest representation of time/space… I tend to see consciousness or awareness at that level has having transcending all duality, all space/time time/space constructs. It is the whole, the all, the macro and the micro, the unification of the absolute and the relative. Violet-ray activated consciousness is, in other words, outside* of the spectrum, as it were; the infinite out of which the spectrum arises and depends for its manifest existence.
What say you?
*As will all spatio-temporal thought constructs, "outside" doesn't apply to the infinite, nor for that matter does anything we can say or conceive.
I used to think the EXACT same thing, GLB, allow me to elucidate:
It is not that you are
wrong in your conclusions (and your questions are fantastic by the way), but allow me to inject another interesting concept that perhaps lead this concept a bit back from the abyss for you. I pray to god I can make this not be confusing:
What we think of as "form" and "formless" are not so
different from one another. And all this becomes resolved in violet ray as the culmination of "wholeness" of the whole vibrational continuum. In fact, what we think of as "form" is actually,
literally, a CROSS-SECTION through the "formless". Yes, you heard me right. The TANGIBLE is a cross-section through the INTANGIBLE. 3D space (and I'm not referring to densities here, strictly dimensions), is a cross section through 4D time. All form is *contained*
within the formless.
People think the mind is
within the body, but in fact, it is the
body which is *WITHIN* the mind (and all form in general). The only difference between mind and matter is the DISTANCE between the "subject" and the "object". This perceptual distance is what maintains and enriches the illusion that there is a world outside of you to investigate and explore. This equals the ILLUSION of EXTERNALITY.
Perhaps I can approach this from a slightly more
intuitive direction: do you recall how in 6th density, the seeming dichotomy between STS and STO is, in fact, dissolved? And, do you also recall that even having done away with this seeming dichotomy of "positive" and "negative" the creator is, in all practical experience, and by all reasonable estimation still POSITIVE by *default*, because negativity is an
artifact dependent on separation to be manifest? In the absence of separation, while you can't truly define, in a dual way, positivity apart from negativity, everything is
perfectly harmonious and by all reasonable estimation: positive.
Are you with me so far?
Okay, so, this SEEMING dichotomy between space/time (form/body/outer) and time/space (formless/mind/inner) is the EXACT same way. And by the time violet ray rolls around, the ice of separation has completely melted, so to speak, and in the same way that when positivity and negativity are dissolved yet things become positive by default, everything becomes time/space in that EXACT SAME WAY. In the absence of any perceivable perceptual distance between subject and object, the illusion of OUTER completely collapses and everything is viewed from an INNER perspective. You are no longer looking at the world from an outside in perspective, its all from the inside out. If it helps, think of the violet ray energy level as the perfect balance to the red ray energy level.
The true "stepping outside of the whole continuum" happens when violet ray is transcended for the infinity that is the OCTAVE. In violet ray, there is a still an infinitely subtle proto self, and because of this, a reflexively created division between inner (time/space) and outer (space/time). In the octave density, the egoic self, which is the line or demarcation between inner and outer is completely dissolved. And because of this, there is no inner or outer manifestation, and all just becomes infinite beingness.
Then, your center is everywhere, and your circumference is nowhere.
(06-30-2015, 12:21 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: [ -> ]On the contrary, your essay is most illuminating. This is not an area I’ve really explored in the Law of One, and your thoughts have opened new vistas to me. Thank you for the care put into constructing your words so meticulously.
Thank you for your excellent questions.
I highly value questions such as yours because your questions literally set off the chain reaction of conditions in consciousness for me to channel even more fine nuances in regards to these subjects. The asking literally allows the answering to happen for me as well (at least in terms of the fine nuances). I learn so much through these exchanges.