What do people think about Porn, is it ok in your view or is it something unmoral and wrong?
I tend to believe that its fine as long as its regulated and within the law.
If you want to find out the real truth, look at a few recent threads on reddit. There was one where a male porn actor writes about how *every* female performer is either addicted to drugs or is psychologically damaged. They talk about how horrible the smells are on the sets, and how even the company that marketed itself as being "ethical porn" frequently mistreated and took advantage of its performers.
Ethics aside, on the level of personal spirituality, any time we relate to another human being as a thing - e.g., a physical object to manipulate - without love - it perpetuates the illusion of separation and acts counter to the overall aim of spiritual growth, which is to embody unity and equal brother/sisterhood with all while living in duality. That goal is simply psychologically/spiritually incompatible with objectification.
Are you talking about producing porn, consuming porn, or both?
As far as producing porn goes, I see nothing amoral about it. I think sex work in general needs to be more accepted by mainstream society, to allow more legal protections to sex workers and allow less predatory practices. Thinking specifically about prostitution, a prostitute wouldn't need a pimp if she could call a police officer to protect her from a thieving/abusive john. This is why I wouldn't dictate morality based on current laws, either.
So, in the context that it is now, I think the way much porn is produced is amoral. There is a lot of exploitation going on in the industry. I don't think the act itself is amoral, but the way it is being enacted right now (on the whole) is less than compassionate.
As far as consuming porn goes, I don't think that's amoral at heart, either. The problem with porn today is that it is addictive. It's like consuming heroin - not amoral at heart, but the more you do it leads to doing it more often, and it can begin to affect your life negatively. It's up to one to decide for themselves if their vices are lowering their quality of life, or causing them to engage in acts that lean toward the STS side of the spectrum.
I think a lot of imbalance in our current generation of the male/female dichotomy is based on porn. As humans we have to accept that consumption of certain medias furthers the solidification of those pathways in our brains. So if one is watching porn that has abusive tendencies, one absorbs those on some level, especially because you go back to that realm of pleasure for enjoyment. I therefore think the opposite is true: If one is watching pornography that is based on green-ray++ sex (doubtful but possible), I think it can help encourage those pathways (those of the unblocked red-orange-yellow instead of energizing the red-orange-yellow blockages)
I wouldn't go as far to say that everyone one in porn industry is addicted to drugs from only a statement on reddit. You could have couples filming a video and putting it online without anything nasty going on or perhaps someone who does an independent service. If the industry is regulated correctly then it will surely limit any misconduct i would think. That aside i acknowledge that many people may suffer from the industry but i also think my statement has merit.
From a spiritual level you could agree that suppressing your sex drive or not accepting the desire is also unproductive, it doesn't mean that you are always going to be going down the route of separation or looking at people as object to manipulate. However i also acknowledge that its more productive to be in a loving relasonship.
I wouldn't say its like Heroin! That's a bit of a far statement, i think that it can lead to addictions but i think its more psychological rather than physical.
That as wastes of time go, it seems that no porn actor or actress has ever managed to step out of their porn stardom without sufficient and corresponding inverse amount of work in a non pornographic job, I'd say go for the wank in front of the camera as your porn title and you'll do fine, but if you start acting or casting one, you'll need a exit route for every actor and job created, thats a lot of work, so its only outcome seems to be to reduce the pleasure in sex, I do not support that as I would prefer everyone to at all times have nothing but pleasurable sex. So, I go for no porn, just sex being filmed.
I don't recommend it (he said hypocritically). It pushes certain unconscious thought habits to skew the way you think. Aka subconscious suggestions.
Though genres induced usually go along themes of sexism, racism, unfaithfulness, gender-objectification, self depreciation (loss of self esteem). Also the industry is basically in some ways a legal manner of rape.
Plus its unrealistic, even the 'real stuff' , and even some amateur stuff is fake, a camera man pretending to be a husband, or a pizza boy with a box. The reality stuff is also fake.
You can enjoy it for the beauty that is sex, just don't fall prey to its mental suggestions.
Yeah i think your right. I guess its another habit that i will need to balance out. The same with drinking. I think i will get it done this time.
Having though it over, i guess i am only really making up reasons to justify it rather than looking at its harmful effects.
I also more than occasionally get the feeling like everyone on the planet is a porn actor/actress except me.
It can all be balanced; even Carla loved her romance novels. I'm sure her genre of erotica was pretty heart centered, but it's hard to consume that stuff without experiencing some domination/submission events. It's being conscious of it and processing it that is the key.
And the difference too is, with Carla reading romance novels, it's not the same input-reward feedback loop that one gets from looking at porn and orgasming. When you repeatedly make that direct correlation (porn = ultimate pleasure) is when the pathways get *too* ingrained.
Romance novels do not degrade or exploit *real* *people*.
A Meta-Analysis of the Published Research
on the Effects of Pornography
A meta-analysis of 46 published studies was undertaken to determine the effects of pornography on
sexual deviancy, sexual perpetration, attitudes regarding intimate relationships, and attitudes regarding
the rape myth. [...]
Average unweighted and weighted d's for sexual deviancy (.68 and .65 ), sexual perpetration (.67 and .46),
intimate relationships (.83 and .40), and the rape myth (.74 and .64) provide clear evidence confirming the
link between increased risk for negative development when exposed to pornography. These results
suggest that the research in this area can move beyond the question of whether pornography has an
influence on violence and family functioning.
https://ccoso.org/sites/default/files/im...alysis.pdf
It comes down to moderation, and balance in my opinion.
(10-04-2015, 06:06 PM)Stranger Wrote: [ -> ]Romance novels do not degrade or exploit *real* *people*.
Neither does all filmed pornography, or at least, it doesn't have to. I don't know if non-exploitative pornography exists, but I think that it's possible for two consenting adults to get paid to have sex with each other in a safe environment.
Well, now that I think about it - there are a lot of couples who do webcam porn. They make great money, having sex in their own bed. No exploitation or degradation.
During a certain spiritual transition for me I really started to think about porn(not like that lol). But the industry in general, there's a pretty interesting documentary on netflix. Essentially it shows a 20 something dude pick these girls of craigs and fly them into miami within a few days. Miami is booming because California recently passed a law where condoms must be used in porns. These girls, usually right around 18 come in promised a career, but usually only get a few shoots. Because nowadays it's all about girl next door, and younger girls, unless they go into harder stuff for less money. One girl did a hardcore shoot for a few hundred, and then had to go to hospital afterwards. These particular girls weren't addicts, just young and a little naive.
However, what I started to consider is how porn steals sexual energy. Not only from these girls, but also everybody who's watching it. In a obvious way people are exerting sexual energy in a lustful way. But wait there's more lol, people are also spending money on this Thus exerting more energy, and putting money in the wrong hands. People are getting into weirder stuff too, pushing deeper into the dark side of their nature, so like regular sex/porn isn't enough anymore. In the old testament there was the story of Lillyth, who was Adam's wife before Eve. It is said she is a demon who steals sexual energy, a succubus.
It actually started to frighten me how many people watch porn. It's also said psychologically we have less desire to meet people in real life, when pretty much every desire is online somewhere. But hey depression rises and more and more people seem to be used to being alone. So for me it's not just really a moral thing, it's more a delusion keeping mankind controlled or grounded in what they think they want. It attacks the vulnerable side of us, the side we all have but keep buried. To me the porn industry is just as much a problem as the mass production of meat and gmo products. But that's just my two cents.
It is an issue in a way.
You know...some texts say Lillith was made from the dirt alongside Adam as an equal being who refused Adam's attempts to 'wifen' her up to his wife-servant in her mind, and ultimately left the Garden of Eden on her own volition in disgust of Adam's denial of their equality. She wasn't a succubus.
...what's wrong with succubae? They need love too
This is one way of looking at it:
(it's also on Netflix if the subtitles bother you)
It depends on many things.
1) Are the actors both enjoying the process, caring for each other?
2) Does the consumer care for the actors and their service?
3) Was anyone harmed or manipulated in the filming/distribution?
If Yes/Yes/No, then it is a positive, integrative experience. All participants have chosen to be involved by their own free will.
Watching couples have sex is only taboo due to the world's various cultures. It's really no different to watching anything else in which people choose to participate. Without sex there is no life. It's actually quite ridiculous how the powers that be have shaped the minds of billions into thinking sex is somehow dirty.
It only becomes negative when any of the above criteria are not met; i.e. negative intention is involved.
The 'popular' pornography today is truly awful. Abusive, aggressive and loveless. I cannot understand how people watch that, and unfortunately children are seeing it and thinking it's how it should be. A genuine problem.
Generally, they enjoy it because porn subconsciously pushes you towards those more 'extreme' genres.
Had I not watched porn as a kid, I probably wouldn't be so weird now!
...not to say the things I believe are weird too since I agree with you that porn is a genuine problem to youth.
When you watch porn enough, the porn watches into you, and then you get people out of mirrors and cups of tea.
I normally fantasize about being dominated and humiliated by anthros. I use artwork to stimulate me.
Normal people porn doesn't do it. Must be cartoon.
Like others have said, I think the amount of degregation in mainstream porn is directly related to how sexually-suppressed so many of the dominant cultures are at the moment. If sex wasn't seen as dirty, and the human body wasn't so vilified, porn wouldn't be as dirty and vilified either.
Also, as other posts have alluded to, it's important to remember that there are a lot of different kinds of porn. Someone can enjoy text, or softcore pictures, or even cartoons without supporting the worst abuses seen in the filmed XXX arena. And even then, I believe there is positive/loving filmed porn out there, it's just harder to find. I don't know if it's still around, but I remember one site years back called (iirc) Beautiful Agony where the gimmick was that it ONLY filmed people's faces during sex/masturbation/orgasm. I found that far 'hotter' than any amount of more explicit content.
Either way, if a society could get over their sexual hangups and treat sex as a beautiful/natural act, the porn that resulted would likely be far more positive.
This was shared this morning on Facebook, reposting here. Q'uo discussing sexual energy transfers/blockages.
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0409.aspx
Quote:When there is discord at this level, much energy is blocked, and it is usual for students of metaphysics that they will be blocked to some extent at this level. We have spoken to you before concerning the dangers of working in consciousness without first clearing those lower energies, and we remind each again: the first work is that work which is the lowest, the basest, and the most fundamental. The first holiness is here, where feet meet earth, where spirit meets flesh. Here, at the level where entities are born. Here, where entities express their deepest physical nature. Here is the beginning of a good work.
(10-06-2015, 12:07 PM)Jade Wrote: [ -> ]This was shared this morning on Facebook, reposting here. Q'uo discussing sexual energy transfers/blockages.
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0409.aspx
Quote:When there is discord at this level, much energy is blocked, and it is usual for students of metaphysics that they will be blocked to some extent at this level. We have spoken to you before concerning the dangers of working in consciousness without first clearing those lower energies, and we remind each again: the first work is that work which is the lowest, the basest, and the most fundamental. The first holiness is here, where feet meet earth, where spirit meets flesh. Here, at the level where entities are born. Here, where entities express their deepest physical nature. Here is the beginning of a good work.
So you need access to sex in order to be balanced at that level? red ray?
I could never get into porn.
The only thing that turns me on is love
Stick to amateur homemade porn. I never got into professional porn anyways because it's so over the top. That way you circumvent the entire profession.
(10-06-2015, 01:10 PM)Matt1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2015, 12:07 PM)Jade Wrote: [ -> ]This was shared this morning on Facebook, reposting here. Q'uo discussing sexual energy transfers/blockages.
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0409.aspx
Quote:When there is discord at this level, much energy is blocked, and it is usual for students of metaphysics that they will be blocked to some extent at this level. We have spoken to you before concerning the dangers of working in consciousness without first clearing those lower energies, and we remind each again: the first work is that work which is the lowest, the basest, and the most fundamental. The first holiness is here, where feet meet earth, where spirit meets flesh. Here, at the level where entities are born. Here, where entities express their deepest physical nature. Here is the beginning of a good work.
So you need access to sex in order to be balanced at that level? red ray?
No , you just need a really strong connection to Gaia, and you need to have cleared childhood trauma to the point that you love yourself and accept yourself as you are.
Bodywork, or yoga or dance or something like that is necessary if you don't have sex. Something that will create the experience of the pure joy of LIFE in your body. This gets really cool and balancing neurobiology going, which lays the foundation for connecting through the indigo and violet rays.
I think sometimes Ra- Arians may focus a lot on meditative practices and channeling for spiritual practice but that is higher chakra work.
And breathing practice is fundamental to both upper and lower chakra balancing practices.
Jasper and Carnelian stones can also ground you.
Just wanted to add something about childhood trauma. We are connected to our families and " tribes" through our lower chakras which physically translates to our DNA.
As we heal these chakras, we are also healing generations of discord and trauma. The energy clearing reaches back to the past from our present and also clears the way to the future.
Sexual relationships are really good crucibles for healing this stuff, because it will all come up when you are in a relationship with an other- self. Trust me on this one.
So, from my perspective, working on having healthy relationships is very important work in consciousness.
(10-06-2015, 01:10 PM)Matt1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2015, 12:07 PM)Jade Wrote: [ -> ]This was shared this morning on Facebook, reposting here. Q'uo discussing sexual energy transfers/blockages.
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0409.aspx
Quote:When there is discord at this level, much energy is blocked, and it is usual for students of metaphysics that they will be blocked to some extent at this level. We have spoken to you before concerning the dangers of working in consciousness without first clearing those lower energies, and we remind each again: the first work is that work which is the lowest, the basest, and the most fundamental. The first holiness is here, where feet meet earth, where spirit meets flesh. Here, at the level where entities are born. Here, where entities express their deepest physical nature. Here is the beginning of a good work.
So you need access to sex in order to be balanced at that level? red ray?
I'm not sure I interpreted it that way. What I got from it is that, the red ray sexual energy is human and as natural as all other energy sources, and it's very difficult to opt out, even if you aren't actively and specifically engaging in sexual intercourse with another physical human. It's obvious, fruitful catalyst in 3D, and exploring and seating one's own sexual experiences is a valuable path to endeavor upon. I think it's almost impossible to not have access to sex in this society, and I think that was the point - accept how its energies play in your life and explore it. Q'uo gives a jumping off point from an archetypical point of view, that the male is usually the reacher and the female the one waiting to be reached. And the lovers card - do you see sexual energy as something to be plundered, prostituted? Or thoughtfully courted like the virgin maiden?