What are yalls thoughts on the importance of consistent meditaiton and inner discipline in regard to the STO path? I think perhaps I tread close to being biased towards desiring self control. I am drawn toward Kriya Yoga which involves much discipline but not always to an extreme. I've always taken a liking to the idea of becoming "self-realized" through meditation by experiencing the many forms of samadhi which is directly experiencing Oneness with all, as apposed to "believing" in Oneness but having no direct experience....and from that "enlightenment" or self realization going forth into the world more fully and consciously, sharing ones light more fully and openly perhaps with much less need to meditate being already crystallized. That internal withdraw (meditation/discipline) being needed to cultivate will, direction and clarity by being more aligned with higher(divine) will. I just feel like the importance of inner discipline and meditation isn't brought to light in its true value in the LOO. To no fault of Ra...just me thinking you don't become crystallized by volunteering at soup kitchens and being a compassionate person. There is much inner work needed. What are you alls thoughts? For those familiar, is Kriya yoga disciplined to the extent of control or is it a proper and balanced discipline?
I feel like Kriya Yoga is a solid clear cut path that has been paved by many great beings extending back thousands of years. The negative polarity have their mystery school like the more hidden sects of free masonry..I have been seeking a disciplined path with real teachers and practices. Many speak and relate to spirituality from a lower awareness so its often misinterpreted and unclear..."rattles-about-the-mind syndrome". Our undisciplined mind and its container of things. Well meaning people that just havn't pierced the veil but want to serve. Kriya just seems very solid and promising to me. I just wonder about over-balance of control Ra mentions in regard to inner disciplines and how it can create the need to balance that out in future lifetimes.
thoughts?
A perfect length post. Thanks.
Yeah, I kind of agree that it takes a lot of inner discipline to become crystalized.
It's all about state of mind. If you love to serve, then serve. If you love to meditate, then meditate.
I think our emotional state has more bearing on how we create our reality than anything,
besides possibly our very thoughts. Meditation helps us control our thoughts.
Yoga and meditation is a good path to go down in my view but i also have to say i don't think its free from distortion. We tend to have this idea in the west that all real spirituality is from the east but i often found many of the teachers and practices to still have corrupt elements in them. I tend to view enlightenment as a personal path, i don't think it can be taught by anyone, we can only use the teachings of previous advanced practitioners and current teachers to help us on our own path. I believe the issue with spirituality is we have this general idea of one size fits all, if you tick the boxs a, b and c you will become enlightened, i honestly don't think that is the case.
I believe that most of the major spiritual teachers of the world, who started the major religions or played a major part in them be it Christ or Buddha are in fact beings from higher planes or ET style teachers who incarnated in a way that was less veiled. The idea that a few special people got it to the point of being able to do things like bring the dead back alive and remember every past life seems highly unlikely since we haven't since anything like that since the time of those teachers. The world teachers are probably an incarnation of the Logos that was designed as part of the universal archetypal journey we as human beings experience and learn from here.
At the end of the day the only thing we really have to go on is faith and compassion/wisdom.
thanks for sharing your thoughts guys...I just stumbled upon this quote which I have found very helpful:
"Questioner: We have decided to accept, if offered, the honor/duty of learning/teaching the healing process. I would ask as to the first step which we should accomplish in becoming effective healers.
Ra: I am Ra. We shall begin with the first of the three teachings/learnings.
We begin with the mental learn/teaching necessary for contact with intelligent infinity. The prerequisite of mental work is the ability to retain silence of self at a steady state when required by the self. The mind must be opened like a door. The key is silence.
Within the door lies an hierarchical construction you may liken unto geography and in some ways geometry, for the hierarchy is quite regular, bearing inner relationships.
To begin to master the concept of mental disciplines it is necessary to examine the self. The polarity of your dimension must be internalized. Where you find patience within your mind you must consciously find the corresponding impatience and vice versa. Each thought a being has, has in its turn an antithesis. The disciplines of the mind involve, first of all, identifying both those things of which you approve and those things of which you disapprove within yourself, and then balancing each and every positive and negative charge with its equal. The mind contains all things. Therefore, you must discover this completeness within yourself.
The second mental discipline is acceptance of the completeness within your consciousness. It is not for a being of polarity in the physical consciousness to pick and choose among attributes, thus building the roles that cause blockages and confusions in the already distorted mind complex. Each acceptance smoothes part of the many distortions that the faculty you call judgment engenders.
The third discipline of the mind is a repetition of the first but with the gaze outward toward the fellow entities that it meets. In each entity there exists completeness. Thus, the ability to understand each balance is necessary. When you view patience, you are responsible for mirroring in your mental understandings, patience/impatience. When you view impatience, it is necessary for your mental configuration of understanding to be impatience/patience. We use this as a simple example. Most configurations of mind have many facets, and understanding of either self polarities, or what you would call other-self polarities, can and must be understood as subtle work.
The next step is the acceptance of the other-self polarities, which mirrors the second step. These are the first four steps of learning mental disciplines. The fifth step involves observing the geographical and geometrical relationships and ratios of the mind, the other mind, the mass mind, and the infinite mind.
The second area of learn/teaching is the study/understanding of the body complexes. It is necessary to know your body well. This is a matter of using the mind to examine how the feelings, the biases, what you would call the emotions, affect various portions of the body complex. It shall be necessary to both understand the bodily polarity and to accept them, repeating in a chemical/physical manifestation the work you have done upon the mind bethinking the consciousness.
The body is a creature of the mind’s creation. It has its biases. The biological bias must be first completely understood and then the opposite bias allowed to find full expression in understanding. Again, the process of acceptance of the body as a balanced, as well as polarized, individual may then be accomplished. It is then the task to extend this understanding to the bodies of the other-selves whom you will meet.
The simplest example of this is the understanding that each biological male is female; each biological female is male. This is a simple example. However, in almost every case wherein you are attempting the understanding of the body of self or other-self, you will again find that the most subtle discernment is necessary in order to fully grasp the polarity complexes involved.
The third area is the spiritual complex which embodies the fields of force and consciousness which are the least distorted of your mind/body/spirit complex. The exploration and balancing of the spirit complex is indeed the longest and most subtle part of your learn/teaching. We have considered the mind as a tree. The mind controls the body. With the mind single-pointed, balanced, and aware, the body comfortable in whatever biases and distortions make it appropriately balanced for that instrument, the instrument is then ready to proceed with the greater work.
That is the work of wind and fire. The spiritual body energy field is a pathway, or channel. When body and mind are receptive and open, then the spirit can become a functioning shuttle or communicator from the entity’s individual energy/will upwards, and from the streamings of the creative fire and wind downwards.
The healing ability, like all other, what this instrument would call, paranormal abilities, is affected by the opening of a pathway or shuttle into intelligent infinity. There are many upon your plane who have a random hole or gateway in their spirit energy field, sometimes created by the ingestion of chemicals such as, what this instrument would call LSD, who are able, randomly and without control, to tap into energy sources. They may or may not be entities who wish to serve. The purpose of carefully and consciously opening this channel is to serve in a more dependable way, in a more commonplace or usual way, as seen by the distortion complex of the healer. To others there may appear to be miracles. To the one who has carefully opened the door to intelligent infinity this is ordinary; this is commonplace; this is as it should be. The life experience becomes somewhat transformed. The great work goes on.
At this time we feel these exercises suffice for your beginning. We will, at a future time, when you feel you have accomplished that which is set before you, begin to guide you into a more precise understanding of the functions and uses of this gateway in the experience of healing."
(11-12-2015, 04:25 AM)Viewer Wrote: [ -> ]What are yalls thoughts on the importance of consistent meditaiton and inner discipline in regard to the STO path? I think perhaps I tread close to being biased towards desiring self control. I am drawn toward Kriya Yoga which involves much discipline but not always to an extreme. I've always taken a liking to the idea of becoming "self-realized" through meditation by experiencing the many forms of samadhi which is directly experiencing Oneness with all, as apposed to "believing" in Oneness but having no direct experience....and from that "enlightenment" or self realization going forth into the world more fully and consciously, sharing ones light more fully and openly perhaps with much less need to meditate being already crystallized. That internal withdraw (meditation/discipline) being needed to cultivate will, direction and clarity by being more aligned with higher(divine) will. I just feel like the importance of inner discipline and meditation isn't brought to light in its true value in the LOO. To no fault of Ra...just me thinking you don't become crystallized by volunteering at soup kitchens and being a compassionate person. There is much inner work needed. What are you alls thoughts? For those familiar, is Kriya yoga disciplined to the extent of control or is it a proper and balanced discipline?
I feel like Kriya Yoga is a solid clear cut path that has been paved by many great beings extending back thousands of years. The negative polarity have their mystery school like the more hidden sects of free masonry..I have been seeking a disciplined path with real teachers and practices. Many speak and relate to spirituality from a lower awareness so its often misinterpreted and unclear..."rattles-about-the-mind syndrome". Our undisciplined mind and its container of things. Well meaning people that just havn't pierced the veil but want to serve. Kriya just seems very solid and promising to me. I just wonder about over-balance of control Ra mentions in regard to inner disciplines and how it can create the need to balance that out in future lifetimes.
thoughts?
How did you arrive at this conclusion? Ra ascribes fundamental importance to meditation and the disciplined personality.
(11-13-2015, 04:07 AM)Cyclops Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2015, 04:25 AM)Viewer Wrote: [ -> ]What are yalls thoughts on the importance of consistent meditaiton and inner discipline in regard to the STO path? I think perhaps I tread close to being biased towards desiring self control. I am drawn toward Kriya Yoga which involves much discipline but not always to an extreme. I've always taken a liking to the idea of becoming "self-realized" through meditation by experiencing the many forms of samadhi which is directly experiencing Oneness with all, as apposed to "believing" in Oneness but having no direct experience....and from that "enlightenment" or self realization going forth into the world more fully and consciously, sharing ones light more fully and openly perhaps with much less need to meditate being already crystallized. That internal withdraw (meditation/discipline) being needed to cultivate will, direction and clarity by being more aligned with higher(divine) will. I just feel like the importance of inner discipline and meditation isn't brought to light in its true value in the LOO. To no fault of Ra...just me thinking you don't become crystallized by volunteering at soup kitchens and being a compassionate person. There is much inner work needed. What are you alls thoughts? For those familiar, is Kriya yoga disciplined to the extent of control or is it a proper and balanced discipline?
I feel like Kriya Yoga is a solid clear cut path that has been paved by many great beings extending back thousands of years. The negative polarity have their mystery school like the more hidden sects of free masonry..I have been seeking a disciplined path with real teachers and practices. Many speak and relate to spirituality from a lower awareness so its often misinterpreted and unclear..."rattles-about-the-mind syndrome". Our undisciplined mind and its container of things. Well meaning people that just havn't pierced the veil but want to serve. Kriya just seems very solid and promising to me. I just wonder about over-balance of control Ra mentions in regard to inner disciplines and how it can create the need to balance that out in future lifetimes.
thoughts?
How did you arrive at this conclusion? Ra ascribes fundamental importance to meditation and the disciplined personality.
In all honesty my thoughts were somewhat jumbled when I posted this. And I do agree with you. I was looking for complete teaching in the Law of One. Hence that perspective. Regarding the various forms of service I guess I meant to detail that I see loving action to be as useful to the giver as its internal meaning and the givers ability to process the experience. So part of what I am referring to relates to indigo ray work. But really it doesn't matter. Because its a loving action and its worthwhile service nontheless. Everyone on this path is headed in the same direction and everyone will be and has been at every level of awareness within the path. All is well. All in all the limits of my perspective at this time are notable. I am working through a lot currently (as well all are). Thanks for your response.
(11-12-2015, 01:36 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: [ -> ]A perfect length post. Thanks.
Yeah, I kind of agree that it takes a lot of inner discipline to become crystalized.
It's all about state of mind. If you love to serve, then serve. If you love to meditate, then meditate.
I think our emotional state has more bearing on how we create our reality than anything,
besides possibly our very thoughts. Meditation helps us control our thoughts.
Wise words gemini, thank you. Definitely resonates with me...my emotional state has been somewhat of a roller coaster as of late.
(11-12-2015, 03:14 PM)Matt1 Wrote: [ -> ]Yoga and meditation is a good path to go down in my view but i also have to say i don't think its free from distortion. We tend to have this idea in the west that all real spirituality is from the east but i often found many of the teachers and practices to still have corrupt elements in them. I tend to view enlightenment as a personal path, i don't think it can be taught by anyone, we can only use the teachings of previous advanced practitioners and current teachers to help us on our own path. I believe the issue with spirituality is we have this general idea of one size fits all, if you tick the boxs a, b and c you will become enlightened, i honestly don't think that is the case.
I believe that most of the major spiritual teachers of the world, who started the major religions or played a major part in them be it Christ or Buddha are in fact beings from higher planes or ET style teachers who incarnated in a way that was less veiled. The idea that a few special people got it to the point of being able to do things like bring the dead back alive and remember every past life seems highly unlikely since we haven't since anything like that since the time of those teachers. The world teachers are probably an incarnation of the Logos that was designed as part of the universal archetypal journey we as human beings experience and learn from here.
At the end of the day the only thing we really have to go on is faith and compassion/wisdom.
Thanks matt, you make some good points