Ankh,
I give you credit for trying to convey the LOO principles w/o all the extra window dressings.
As you say.
Quote:I have tried to share this philosophy, which is one among others, with others, and discovered that people are not so much interested in cosmology or our journey through this Octave, i.e. spiritual evolution, but more about things like: is L/L Research a sect? And how did your God Ra contact you? Did *he* build the pyramids? etc. But then who knows, maybe some gems of philosophy did stick with them without their immediate conscious awareness.
Hopefully, as the 4D vibes increasingly entrain and resonate this will make it easier to share.
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Thanks Nicholas and Gary for sharing this. I might come across as sounding a little harsh
with my comments -- like those uppity college professors that I don't care for. But I think my critique is fairly mild and totally open to counter comments. I get less harsh towards the end, at least I think.
Btw, I am working on a script approach of What is Ra's LOO? and have as my characters the
three students who are each 22 yr old grad students who are also of the 3D/4D graduation.
Julie -- a dual major in Psychology and Philosophy with focus on Ethics
Dave -- a dual major in Physics and Philosophy with focus on Epistemology
Danielle -- a dual major in Comparative Religion and Philosophy with focus on Metaphysics
That's a start -- and on to some, at times, hasty comments to Gary's monogram.
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Quote:Ra called themselves messengers. Messengers of the Law of One. Their message was
about the ultimate nature of things, which is another way to say, a message about who and
what you are.
ultimate nature of things -- metaphysics
who and what you are. -- ethics and ethical being?
Quote:About the ultimate nature of things: they said that it, the Law of One, could not be put into
words. Only approximated by words. But Ra nevertheless utilized words and concepts.
The words and concepts they chose to approximate the ultimate nature of things include:
Perfect. Whole. Complete.
Perfect. Whole. Complete. are basically synonymous of wholeness or oneness -- I would replace
"perfect" with "beautiful".
Quote:They said that: All is well. Nothing is lost. All is One. All is unified. Infinite. Eternal
They have a 6D bias -- All is well in what sense? All is as it should be or ought to be? A normative "follow the criteria and rules" theory? All is One? -- quotes? IIRC, Ra says this once in a nondescript and vague way -- do a phrase search of RM. All is unified? The AO part (Infinity is Unity) of the AOP = AO + OA is indirectly in session 1 -- but the OA part is explicit.
Quote:So what do the words and concepts represent? What is their function? Indeed, what is the
cosmology itself? In one word, it all constitutes a map.
By cosmology you are referring to the metaphysical version of cosmology and not the astrophysical. See thread about Cosmology of the IUP/LOO.
A map, a system, a blueprint, an architecture, an algorithm, -- all are pre-designed?
Maps have a starting point and ending point -- they show how to get from one point to the next -- a "how to" methodology to reach the destination of fusion with the Creator. Is the map static or dynamic? Can it evolve and change via morphogenesis theory? Is the Creator static?
Quote:Ra’s cosmology is not the terrain itself, it is only a map. And, it is important to note, one map among many many other maps.
What exactly is Ra's cosmology? And hopefully there are not too many cosmologies -- only a finite many -- otherwise an infinite many conveys absolute pluralism and diversity.
Quote:It is the seeker who must exercise their discernment, find a map or three that works for
them, and then USE the map to discover, walk and navigate the actual terrain for themselves. The seeker must test the map against their own experience, and indeed form their own map.
What examples of a couple maps that apparently differ greatly but reach the same end?
What is the LOO? Is it anything you want it to be? (snarky free willist!)
Quote:Some maps are better than others, of course, and some maps suit different temperaments
better than others. This is why each seeker is drawn to different philosophies, religions, and worldviews, and there will probably never be a one-size-fits-all, in third density at least.
Good point. And illustrates the existence and purpose of evolution.
Quote:Now, about Ra’s particular map, we received a call to the show last week from a seeker who takes issue with certain aspects of that map. Including Ra’s use of the word “perfect” to describe the ultimate nature of things. This seeker felt the word shouldn’t be used because, in his mind, a seemingly evolving and changing illusion that seems to make so-called “improvements” is not, by definition, “perfect.”
Philosophical vs psychological perfection -- parent to entitled child "you are perfect" -- being a delusional person with rose-colored glasses, "everything is perfect!" -- an obsessive-compulsive clean-freak who is neurotic and who washes his hands 50 times a day due to fear of "uncleanliness and imperfection" Cleanliness is next to Godliness? I'm pro-beauty and anti-perfect.
Quote:This is where I would like to address paradox.
What is the greatest paradox? The paradox of the One and the Many. How are things
simultaneously both One and Many?
Quantitatively or qualitatively?
Examples of things that are "one and many" -- one infinite set of numbers (1, 2, 3, ....) --
one system with many interconnected parts (ecosystem) - one hologram with many sub-holograms -- Leibniz refers to one Mirror Monad with many mirror sub-monads
Quote:Ra says that all is ultimately one, yet every conceivable piece of data that assaults our senses tells us precisely the opposite.
To be direct -- "You are everything" means "One is All" -- LOO veterans please respond to
the Ra's Fundamental Postulates thread. "All is ultimately one?" the Ra goup does not say this -- we put words in their mouth -- please cite quotes where they say "all is one" -- there is one nondescript and muddled quote from the Ra Material that I found. Sorry to sound harsh.
Less harshly, consider all the Monisms in philosophy ie substance monism "all is of one
substance" or priority monism "all is a part of a whole" as is all points of a circle whereby the existence and essence of the circle is prior to its points.
Quote:In the exploration of this paradox, one can amass infinite quantities of data to show and
explain how things are NOT one. Indeed, one can do that with all of the fundamental
descriptions about reality.
Again, many types of monisms that address this. Check wikipedia article on Monism.
In astrophysics cosmology we can also consider an all-inclusive "one as many" -- for example, there is ONE unique multiverse of infinitely many sub-universes, according to one popular view among cosmologists.
Quote:The seeker can look at the illusion and say that things are obviously fragmented, partial, and divisible. Clearly it is not, to use one of Ra’s words, “whole”.
You ARE being rhetorical here -- I get it -- but just for fun, here's a rhetorical flourish that I couldn't pass up.
Clearly it is not whole? Are you now a Oneness Denier? So the the "Perfect. Whole. Complete" is a sham? Hatonn says they see the universe in a blade of grass or a grain of sand.
Quote:The seeker can gaze at the physical realm and see that, obviously, things are always in a
state of becoming, and growing, rising and falling – how could this ongoing, ever changing
process be already, to use another of Ra’s words, “complete”?
Complete as in a complete potential/actual dynamic?
Watch Mark Thorsby's YT videos in his Philosophical Techne that address:
Parmenidean Monism -- Static Existence Monism -- unchanging wholeness
Heraclitian Monism -- Dynamic Dialectic Monism -- constant changing wholeness
Quote:The same seeker can look at the human state of affairs on this planet and reliably conclude that things are obviously not, to use another of Ra’s words, “well.”
Well implies whole -- well-being means wholeness of being -- "I feel well" means "I feel whole" -- the wholistic healing principle
So when Ra says "all is well" they really mean that, philosophically, "all is whole" and not,
psychologically and ethically, "all is good" because comforting an abused child by saying "all is well" is an obvious non sequiter or absurdity (or perhaps not philosophically & spiritually?)
Quote:And again the seeker can look at everything they know about life itself and determine that
there is obviously space, and obviously time. Therefore, that seeker might conclude, the true nature of things is obviously not infinite or eternal.
Are you referring to material things like a rock or to Platonic Form objects like "eternal rockness"? When you say "true nature" you are suggesting the Platonic essence of things.
Quote:Such a seeker can paint the most convincing picture that the mystical truth of unity is a fancy idea and nothing more. Indeed, such is the design of the veiled third-density existence: to absolutely convince the entity of the reality of an individual self in a finite work of manyness.
Recall that the 3D Venusians were much less veiled than Terrans and they accessed this mystical unity with relative ease. So there's a spectrum ranging from low-level veiling to high-level veiling -- perhaps a range of 10% to 90% of thickness of veiling.
Quote:Yet, Ra says not that one fine day things will be complete, or whole, or perfect; or that
eventually the universe will be one; but rather Ra says that things are already whole, complete, perfect, and one.
This is the static Parmenidean Oneness which the Heraclitian Oneness disputes and which
you dispute to some extent above -- or at least it sounds like you do. Again, LOO veterans are welcomed to make posts in the What is Ra's Monism thread which addresses this in terms of a Metamonism model which allows for a natural evolving sequence of monisms.
Quote:No matter how things may seem to appear to our vision; no matter at what point we find our attention in the circuit of densities and octaves. This is the heart of paradox. We have truths
that seem completely contradictory to one another that cannot possibly mutually co-exist,
yet they do.
What "truths" are you referring? What examples? Truths of good and evil?
Maybe you are referring to the Tao Symbol and principle as a unified duality or unified bi-polarity which is a dynamic unity of "complementary opposites".
Quote:Now, were Ra the sole voice in all of human history promulgating the position of a unified,
love-and-light-filled, perfect reality, one might be less inclined to give Ra ear.
BUT the amazing thing is that the mystical core of the Law of One’s message has been with us on this planet in every age and from the most diverse corners of the globe – in all manner of religious, cultural, and historical backgrounds – in the form of the perennial philosophy.
I still think the Ra group's version of the LOO is incomplete when it excludes "will" in the "love & light" mantra -- and I've mentioned this is b/c they are in "mission mode" and biased to STO to only promote "love and light" while knowing that "will, love and light" would suggest the legitimacy of STS.
And that's not their mission, esp the Ra group who, as "wise and loving" 6D were "naive" to push the LOO on the Egyptian elites, who were prone to distort this message from the 7 foot tall golden beings of the Ra group. That was a major no-no and the Council of Nine own some of this responsibility. Dumb 7D fools!
Instead of the Ra group, why not allow a 4D group ie Hatonn to visit the Egyptians and just promote the much simpler "Law of Love" which is the sole requirement to evolve to 4D?
Quote:There have been those third-density entities who have awakened to the ultimate nature of
things from a multiplicity of starting points. And what do all these proponents of the
perennial philosophy say?
By "perennial philosophy" what are you referring, and of what interpretation are you using,
since there are, in your words about the LOO, many many interpretations.
Quote:Each one who awakens has the same basic report to offer: there is only right now; reality
is infinite; it is ineffable and beyond the reach of our words, but if we are to employ these
poor tools, then words such as “perfect, whole, and complete” are among the best we have
to point to the actual nature of the situation.
In panentheism there is both immanence of the Creator (effable) and transcendence of the
Creator (ineffable) -- looking at a blade of grass and looking up at the vast infinite night sky.
Words are "sound vibrational complexes" and symbols are "image vibrational complexes",
so they are "vibrational complexes" that resonate to some extent with our MBS "vibrational
complex". They have mythos-topos-logos complex qualities.
Quote:This is really the situation: ALL who have truly seen and experienced unanimously say to us from the seeming other shore that there is only ever-ending perfection, no matter what seems to be happening on the surface.
Instead of "perfection" why not say "beauty"? It's less neurotic and more natural of a poet or artist or musician. The song "Everything is Beautiful" from the 1970's has great imagery in its lyrics. Also, from that time the song "To Every Thing Turn Turn" or 3 Dog Night's "Black and White" or Cat Stevens "Peace Train", etc
Quote:But genuine spirituality isn’t about taking the mapmakers at their word. (Though their
consistency and consensus across the ages does, in my mind, lend veracity to their report.) Rather, genuine spirituality is about using the map and discovering the truth for yourself through the laboratory of the incarnation, and through the portal of your own experience.
Good point that there is some free will and creativity to designing and following one's map.
What you seem to refer to is the map of non-duality, subjectivism and existentialism ie John Lilly's explorations in "The Center of the Cyclone" where he has many ET encounters and becomes part of a "vast membrane of consciousness" which can leave one "spaced out" when back in consensus reality on the Earth.
Quote:Some of Ra’s claims we cannot verify—say regarding whether the asteroid belt was once a planet that blew itself to smithereens.
In Uranus and Neptune thread I support the Ra group's claim as most likely valid. Moreso than the Wilcockian version of Phaeton. Not to knock him too much, David has done some good ancient astronaunt research.
Quote:But we are in a position to discover and verify whether reality is indeed unified, whole,
complete, and perfect. Indeed, we are in that position because WE are the reality, WE are
the truth, we are already whole, complete, and perfect. But nobody can tell you that. You
must find out for yourself.
Again, the Metamonism model and the completeness of AOP = AO + OA (Taoism) allows this.
Quote:So while there is value in parsing out the meanings of words—because our beliefs about
reality have an enormous influence on the paths that we create—in the end we have to use
the words about reality only as metaphorical signs pointing to the ocean, and then, through
will and faith alone, make our own way to the ocean.
from an old Barney Miller TV episode
Actor: "These are mere words -- I act out the words with my actions and feelings"
Producer: "We pay you to say the words that the writer worked so damn hard to provide --- so SAY them!"
I agree there is the less effective descriptive and verbal transmission and processing of knowledge, and there's the more effective prescriptive and experiential learning process
which should be part of a 3D/4D education for all ages. See Research and Development thread in Corkboard.
Quote:No sign can ever give us the actual experience of the ocean. We must dive into that mystery ourselves in order to know.
John Lilly agrees. Franklin Merrel-Wolff agrees. Timothy Leary agrees. Bertrand Russell agrees. Ya gotta embody the knowledge via experience.
- GLB and cast of millions!
Gary, please take my snark with a grain of salt. "It's ALL good" as they say in the 'hood!
But thanks for kick starting this thread and I hope to take on the 3 grads with their truth-digging questions in the near future.