08-21-2011, 02:50 PM
(08-19-2011, 11:18 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: [ -> ]So do you think that we, now, don't have free will? It seems clear to me that we do, but it sounds like you think we don't.
i think free will is extremely reduced in this experiential nexus. to escape living in such a veil amplifying environment, one could escape to uninhabited or scarcely inhabited locations in the past and survive without being molded into a form by the society. it was possible to have social interaction while in that kind of situation too.
yet now even if it seems possible, it is much more difficult. in addition, the current established mechanics of the society, maybe intentionally, are increasingly trying to force people to oblige and comply by the society. you can see this in extreme form in the war corporations wage on self-sufficient, organic farming. no more hippie communes, if they succeed.
on the other hand, such a situation is even questionable - the aim of 3d is to interact socially - this is the purpose of 3d. in an environment in which you are obliged to withdraw from society to have free will, it means the basic premise of 3d is lost. so, your only choice becomes to engage in society by accepting its negative and veil-reinforcing state and therefore fulfill social interaction purpose of 3d, or withdraw from society, retain free will, but let go of a great deal of social interaction.
in a way, this is not so surprising since Ra says that negative environments do not allow free will. our society is currently negatively structured.
(08-20-2011, 12:29 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:42.2 Questioner: I will attempt to make an analogy. If an animal, shall I say, a bull, in a pen attacks you because you have wandered into his pen, you get out of his way rapidly but you do not blame him. You do not have much of an emotional response other than the response that he might damage you. However, if you encounter another self in his territory and he attacks you, your response may be more of an emotional nature creating physical bodily responses. Am I correct in assuming that when your response to the animal and to the other-self is that of seeing both as Creator and loving both and understanding their action in attacking you is the action of their free will then you have balanced yourself correctly in this area? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is basically correct. However, the balanced entity will see in the seeming attack of an other-self the causes of this action which are, in most cases, of a more complex nature than the cause of the attack of the second-density bull as was your example. Thus this balanced entity would be open to many more opportunities for service to a third-density other-self.
As stated, the balanced entity would not react in any way except to protect the free will of the other first, and their own body complex second. Let's say there is no escape, and the only options are to harm the other entity or to let it harm you (completely possible situation). Why is a choice like this necessary? The preferred choice, allowing the other-self to do as it pleases, would end in the cessation of incarnation. Can we really call it freewill when the preferred choice kills us? In my opinion, if we experienced true freewill, death would not be the only option for an entity wishing to preserve the freewill of an other-self.
enter balance ...
you, as an entity, are just an entity like the others. and therefore, as an entity, you are entitled to the same rights as others. therefore, if taken as an entity, the act of the other entity prevents your free will.
therefore, in this situation, the act of the other entity becomes infringing in the sense of balance. its freedom, cannot extend to preventing freedom of others. its freedom needs to stop there.
(08-20-2011, 12:37 AM)Confused Wrote: [ -> ]mystery in this equation is TIME. If all is one time - then, is not the start and the end of the experiment, and all in between, known already! Is complete ignorance and full knowledge the same?
time is not a mystery in this equation.
because all of what you speak of, ie the start and end of the experiment, and all in between, all being known already, complete ignorance and full knowledge, exist right before point infinity. these will not be valid for us, until infinity, tho we will probably approximate these in increasing speed.
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the main problem on this planet, is the logos's choice of implementing weaker bodies for 3d entities to herd them towards positive polarity. even, if logos did not intend it to be for positive polarity, but instead be for pushing them towards any polarity, it is still the main problem :
survival problems are problems of early 2d existence. a breed that is afflicted with survival problems, will naturally be having problems in orange ray, and will keep exhibiting patterns of orange ray. in simple spiritual terms in grand sense, the energy gets clogged in early orange due to survival problems, and cant easily get up.
it is a foregone conclusion to say that, since the entities, or society are not able to get the upflowing energy up to higher energy centers, they also wont be in a position to make choice. for, in order to manifest in higher chajkras, you need a stable balance that allows you to get to, and go above that chakra. when your energies are clogged in early-mid orange, you cant do that.
in short, for whatever reason the logos implemented this weaker body - heavier veil system, it hampered the harvest of entities on this planet.
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This is nonsense and it is all predicated upon false identification with the physical vehicle. Nobody is aghast when somebody ditches their old beater and buys a new performance vehicle. But if a 90-year-old man says he is ready to depart, we must force him to stay here against his will, and for his own benefit.