Bring4th

the exact nature of the spirit (and it's role) has baffled me for a long time now.  Everyone 'knows' what spiritual things are, and could give examples of them, and yet trying to examine the broader encompassing aspects gets lost in divergent schools of terminology.  

Ra's paricular use of the term 'shuttle' to describe the spirit complex is especially unique.  Why is it a shuttle?  And where is it shuttling to and from?

In recent years, my own personal experience has taken me deeper into the mysterious and the unknown.  My sense is that I have left the well-worn tracks of conventionality, and started peering into (and through) the mists of the divine.  Of course, the value of such seeking is only in how it effects others: does it prove to be useful (and relevant) fruit for others, to share, or does one start spouting incomprehensible nonsense, because that which is experienced cannot be anchored in the common (equal) experience of others.  That is something which has to be carefully observed.

So first up, some thoughts about the title of this thread.  Most namely - TRANSORDINATION.

That word comes in two parts.  We can take the later half first.  Ordination is when something is ordered by another thing.  Think of a magnet being applied to some iron filings.  It takes the shape and the pattern of the magnetic fields.  The 'trans' aspect refers to the fact that this 'Ordination' is taking place from Beyond, which I'll explain further below.

Ra described the Mind as receiving the physical data of the body (uprising) and the spiritual imprints from above (downpourings).  The 'spiritual imprints', I say, happen via the means of the Spirit Complex, or here, the Shuttle.

A shuttle goes back and forth between two points.  In this case, the starting point is the mind, and the other point could be time/space aspects (of third density), or, in higher cases, shuttling to-and-from higher densities, to receive communications, etc.

An example of utilizing this 'shuttle' would be in the case of spiritual healing.  Here, the spirit complex is activated, and is free to receive 'light' from higher dimensions, and bring it back to the localised 3d body.  This 'light' can then be used to 'immerse' or 'bathe' another entity, thereby supplying the necessary (and sought after) balances that will return the other-self to a more harmonized state.

Quote:Know then, first, the mind and the body. Then as the spirit is integrated and synthesized, those are harmonized into a mind/body/spirit complex which can move among the dimensions and which can open the gateway to intelligent infinity, thus healing self by light and sharing that light with others.

True healing is simply the radiance of the self causing an environment in which a catalyst may occur which initiates the recognition of self, by self, of the self-healing properties of the self.

This is a demonstration of the principle of 'Transordination'.  The local environment (3d) is transordinated (or put into a more ordered structure) by utilizing the resouces or impressions from higher spaces.  The higher densities order the lower densities, not because it is tyrannical, but because the higher densities are literally that: they are more dense, structured, and organised.  The lower densities can benefit immensely from exposure to higher density structures.  Which is exactly what the spirit complex (ie shuttle) can be enabled to do.

Quote:Ra: [Cough.] I am Ra. This is accomplished through our understanding of dimensional fields of energy. The higher or more dense energy field will control the less dense.

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It's also the fact that 'spiritual feats' are different in quality and nature to what can be done with just mental and physical resources alone.  

80.8 Wrote:The power of which you speak is a spiritual power. The powers of the mind, as such, do not encompass such works as these.

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The spirit compex (ie shuttle) can also be utilized to communicate with higher densities.  The mind of the 3d entity is thus able to be 'impressed' with the transordinated ideas and information from those other densities.

The shuttle moves back and forth between the individual, and is able to convey the structured (ie ordered) relationships that wish to be communicated.

So these are just my current conceptualizations of what the sprit 'is' and how it interfaces in terms of development of a 3d entity.

Plenum, good thoughts. I'd add that if you were to conceive of an intelligent robot, or a self-reflective animal, you'd have a good approximation of a mind/body complex. It would be a creature of the Earth, squarely belonging within illusion, and able to make rational decisions in order to advance its goals which, again, would squarely be a product of illusion - food, sex, shelter, power/dominance, the whole bit of whatever it takes to "nest comfortably" in a 3D body.

Spirit connects illusion to everything that transcends it, dropping hints, insights, intuitive glimpses and guidance; also, aspirations toward greater unity, harmony and wholeness which simply cannot exist as manifestations in 3D, but can - thanks to our spiritual nature - exist as our states of inner being in 3D. Spirit allows us to bring our Higher Nature into the apparently random/mechanistic reality we seem to inhabit - including but not limited to Oneness, Beauty, Truth, non-self-interested Love, etc. The moments when we feel inspired, connected, joyful to be (rather than to get) are gifts of the spirit. It makes life worth living.

Those whom we call "spiritual" are those who are able to use this capacity of the spirit to transcend the illusion to some degree in their attitudes, thoughts, goals, ways of relating to others and to the illusory reality. They have surety, clarity, conviction and poise that the rest of us don't - and people may wonder: where does that come from? Doesn't he live in the same world as me, with ISIS and electricity bills? No, no he doesn't.

(04-10-2016, 10:37 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: [ -> ]Ra's paricular use of the term 'shuttle' to describe the spirit complex is especially unique. Why is it a shuttle? And where is it shuttling to and from?

Excellent question, should be asked more frequently =)

To understand the nature of the spirit, it's diametrically opposite analog must be also taken into consideration: the body. Both "vehicle" and "shuttle" are descriptive terms indicative of some transportive function: one to move through the space/time illusion and the other to move through the time/space illusion (or more simply put, one "anchors" into SPATIAL locality and fluidity of movement/awareness therein, whilst the other "anchors" into TEMPORAL non-locality and fluidity of movement/awareness therein).

In an universe of diametrical symmetry, opposites must reflect/mirror each other ("as above, so below; as within, so without"), hence: inner VS outer, time/space VS space/time, body VS spirit, 1D VS 7D, red VS violet; physical gravity VS spiritual gravity, beginning VS ending, etc. Everything in between merely represents degrees of increment/lessening along the way (e.g. compare 2D/orange to 6D/indigo, "lower-self" to "higher-self"), with 4D sitting squarely halfway along the way, right in-between space/time and time/space (50/50 ratio, the best of both world, is you will). This is why higher or later densities are more spiritually-polarized and lower or earlier densities are more physically-polarized (and conversely less physical and less spiritual, respectively) with each successive density.

In this sense, 1D/red-ray cannot be any "lesser" than 7D/violet-ray anymore than a beginning/entrance may any "less" than an ending/exit. Similarly, the spirit/shuttle may be appreciated as not being any "greater" than the body/vehicle: their functions being merely complimentary of each other and would have no meaning otherwise.

However, we musn't forget there is another "third" complex at play here: the mind (or what the Greeks called the psyche or soul), which may be seen as the consciousness which is doing the learning/experiencing by reciprocal interaction between space/time (body realm) and time/space (spirit realm), gradually releasing physical gravity for spiritual gravity across its evolutionary journey.

TLDR; body and spirit serve "transportive" functions within their respective spatial and temporal illusory domains.

Perhaps this is why Ra (and Q'uo, et al) never spoke of a Cosmic Spirit, but a Cosmic Mind. Ultimately, it's just semantics (and what terms one may like/identify with most or find more accurate/appropriate), but if the fulcrum of reality is purely spiritual... does that make reality a *shuttle* or what? It would make little sense/logic within this cosmological framework. One thing is certain: there is consciousness, awareness, intelligence... and then there's something we can call physical and something we can call spiritual. Who is drawing this distinction is obviously the mind/consciousness.

What makes the "spiritual" such an attractive prospect is... wait for it! That's right, the 3rd-density veil of forgetting, which effectively "deprived" the embodied, physical entity from its inner, spiritual aspect, thereby creating a thirst or hunger for things of a spiritual nature. Without the veil, however, both physical and spiritual would be appreciated more equally. (In fact, this is why most entities can hardly wait to incarnate again from the vantage point of their spiritual/discarnate state.)

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Rhetorical question: if 7 distinct body complexes may be ascertained, would they not correspond to 7 equally distinct mind complexes and 7 different spirit complexes (or at the very least stages/degrees of spiritualization, rather than there just being 1 single spirit complex)? :0

(04-10-2016, 10:37 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: [ -> ]Ra's paricular use of the term 'shuttle' to describe the spirit complex is especially unique. Why is it a shuttle? And where is it shuttling to and from?

From my perspective, "pure" spirit is simply undistorted unity, intelligent infinity, or we might even describe it as 8th density awareness.  The "spirit complex" (signifying more than one singular aspect) is the relationship between unity and the illusory separated aspects.  That is why it is a "shuttle", because it is the communicator two and from the relative to the absolute -- the mutually sustaining dialect that creates and perpetuates the dynamic experience we all take part in.  

Spiritual entropy is the resistance to unity, which also signifies a "damning" or blockage of spiritual progression.  Spiritual entropy is the only thing separating us from pure spirit, or intelligent infinity.  And all beings are consciously, or unconsciously, attempting to lower their spiritual entropy by increasing spiritual gravity (through polarization).  Spiritual entropy could also be looked at as any blockage in the flow of kundalini through your energy system that you haven't been able to "unbaffle" as of yet.  Unblocking this flow is synonymous with unblocking the spirit complex.  The blockages can also be simply looked at as limitations of perspective, i.e. "As in all distortions, the source is the limit of the viewpoint."

Quote:Ra: [...] imagine, if you will, the function of the magnet. The magnet has two poles. One reaches up. The other goes down. The function of the spirit is to integrate the upreaching yearning of the mind/body energy with the downpouring and streaming of infinite intelligence. [...]

 
Anyway, my interpretation is that the mind is the up reaching pole, and body (or more colloquially: matter) is the down reaching pole, and spirit is the magnet itself (transcends the duality of mind/body or subject/object by integrating them perfectly in the Beingness of the creator).  

As "complexes", each density contains various layers ranging from the comparatively gross to the comparatively subtle in each of these categories.

There's some great philosophy in this thread!  I like each contribution.

(04-10-2016, 10:37 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: [ -> ]Of course, the value of such seeking is only in how it effects others: does it prove to be useful (and relevant) fruit for others, to share, or does one start spouting incomprehensible nonsense, because that which is experienced cannot be anchored in the common (equal) experience of others.  That is something which has to be carefully observed.

I think this is a really important way to start your post, Plenum, because (A) it's almost certainly the very nature of spirit that it is not itself known, and so it's not necessarily a mentally tractable phenomenon, (B) sometimes it is better not to describe and to let the ineffable stay properly ineffable.  Both A and B ground a very purposefully but respectfully shallow and glancing approach to matters of the spirit, because it would be easy to shove it into a mental model and thereby be done with it.  Reifying spirit helps neither the speaker nor the listener in subjectively experiencing spirit--the only measure that counts here--and risks elevating the mind's projection of spirit to a position of primacy that, for all the reasons others have listed, is especially unwarranted!  So I'm very, very glad you prefaced your post this way, Plenum, and set the tone for this discussion so that we can all feel free to expound without being taken too literally.  Thank you.

I think the concept of "transordination" is interesting in light of the fact that "shuttle" implies a two-way dynamic.  As Illamasqua stated well, there is a reflective element to this mind/body/spirit triad, also implying bi-directional traffic or flow.  Perhaps in the same way that the transordination effects spirit flowing into body and manifestation through the transduction of mind, there is also a kind of "counter-transordination" or opposite effect that those of the Confederation sometimes hint at as the "harvest" of the illusion.  Perhaps the shuttle brings back to spirit and the unified identity the lessons or data of the manifest, limited experience and thereby informs spirit and Creator of the material, separate experience.  Does the illusion "order" spirit somehow?  Otherwise, what would the "harvest of the last octave" refer to if not for some kind of consequence for the Creator?

It feels like there's something very important about manifestation and the illusion's essential utility, the way that the limited, separate, incarnate experience is instrumental to some larger end.  In "Fatima Prophecy" Ray Stanford's source talks a lot about how the Christian trinity is a metaphor for the way spirit flows through mind into manifestation in the material universe (Father/Spirit => Mother/Holy Spirit => Son/Body/Manifestation).  This rings true insofar as it goes, but it doesn't explain why.  Perhaps in this reflective, bi-directional approach we can start to understand another pivotal role mind plays at the fulcrum between body and spirit, not simply as the servant of spirit but also as its great interface to the mystery of the physical illusion--in some ways just as mind-boggling as the expansive sublimity of the spirit!

Thanks everybody for helping me think this stuff--although not to think it too much, right?

Perhaps Father (love) flows into Mother (light, form) creating Son (love-within-form)

In terms of love as it spirals down the chakras:

Love in potential (the Father; indigo chakra) -> love in plentiful abundance (the Christ; blue chakra) -> love in manifestation (Holy Spirit; heart chakra)

The remaining chakras are: approval of self, approval of others in relationship to self, approval of conditions necessary to sustain oneself in manifestation

Whereas the previous descriptions were of the aspect of love/reality represented by each chakra, the following is more practical. Spiritual growth consists of progressively looking through illusion and into the underlying reality, which is love/harmony/oneness. Hence Ra's famous exercise of "look in the mirror, see the Creator" etc.

With that said, here are the three modes of perception associated with the three higher chakras:
heart: perceiving and loving others as others
throat: perceiving and loving others as part of self
third eye: perceiving the One Infinite Creator within every manifestation (form)

There is a clear upward progression from various illusion-based needs (represented by the lower 3 chakras) to three distinct degrees of transcending the illusion as represented by the higher chakras listed above.

This is likely why Ra said that after the 4th chakra is mastered, the 5th becomes immediately available - all that is required is a slight mental shift from sending love to others "out there" to loving others as part of oneself, within oneself. This entails 1) perceiving selfhood as including the other, and 2) loving the part of self that is the other.

On the other hand, further development is required to see ALL as equivalent manifestations of the One Creator.

This understanding can be directly applied in the same vein as Ra's exercise, to great benefit.

(Edit: slight revision based on further understanding on my part)

I find the idea of symmetry among the chakras/densities to be quite interesting and enlightening. We have the following list:

1D - Matter/Formation
2D - Self
3D - Awareness/Society/Choice
4D - Love
5D - Wisdom/Learning
6D - Insight/Service/Unity
7D - Spirit/Absorption

The symmetries are clear. Formation and matter is symmetric with absorption and pure spirit. A basic understanding of self and physical needs is symmetric with universal oneness, insight, and spiritual needs. The fifth density of wisdom and learning could be symettric to our relative lack of knowledge of ourselves and a need to make a choice based on faith. The middle, the fourth density of love, is symmetric to itself. That is, the central theme in this entire octave is love. It appears that this octave creates a completed being, centered on love with other lessons, that then graduates into the next level of spiritual existence.