Bring4th

Hello all fellow Bring4th brothers and sisters.
I hate to be pesamistic, But I have a really bad feeling about the coming months. I would like to ignore the unfolding world events and focus on my own spiritual progression, but I can't. I'm not trying to fear monger but the truth is plain to see. It's not going well. The oil spill is bad beyond words. They cannot stop it! Elements of the Isreali and US govts. are just itching to attack Iran. I do believe they will before summers end. Iran says they will send an aid flotilla to gaza, set to sail by next week. With an armed escort. Also let us not forget the several wars still going on right now.

I do not see the powers that be, the elite, or whatever you want to call them, having a change of heart any time soon. The masses are waking up, but not enough and not fast enough and not enough in positions of power.
The "powers that be" know this and are speeding up their scedule. Look how fast things are moving these days.

What is stopping this planet from becoming like Maldek or Mars? Right now, nothing!

I think meditation of sending love and light to the planet and the people is great. I do it myself as best I can, but I don't think it is enough. The love and light cannot be seen or felt by those with their hearts closed. The ones who would put us under the heel and ruin the planet.

It is my opinion that we must fight back before it is too late. But how? we are not about violence, we are not about hate. I can only think of one option.

THE CALL!!!

I really think it can be done! And it can start here. Who will help put out the call? We need to organize this calling and use the internet to spread it.
I'm not computer savy, but I know some of you are. Many of us are pretty inventive and thoughtfull. Maybe we can start an internet petition. We need to get many upon many to call and do it regularly. Remember that every person who calls, doubles the calling. It could work! I believe Ra even said so himself (can someone bring up the appropriate quotes?).

So brothers and sisters, am I crazy? or should we give this a whole hearted shot!

I wait in anticipation to here your thoughts on this matter.

I wish you all health, happiness and spiritual growth, Amen!

it sounds interesting but it needs to be better defined. i definitely
think its a good idea. heres some of the things i would like to see in it

we herefore state and decree that we will not participate in any more
wars and that we want our government to withdraw their troops
from war zones and bring them home so that they can be used on
projects here to help rebuild this country.

we hereby demand that a real national energy policy be instituted
that will lead us to independence from fossil fuels . no more false
epa estimates on car stickers lets have reality.

we demand transparency in government. all govenrment meetings must
be taped and the contents placed on the internet for all to see. no more
pacs or political contributions

these are just some thoughts but i could see where something like this
could be beneficial in focusing peoples thoughts on what they want.

norral

As long as you dont reform the society, pinpoint demands and remarks will not change anything.

Ummm. I don't think you understand. I guess I should have been more clear. The "Call" refers to calling the Confederation to come here physically and help us out of this mess. They have stated that they cannot do it because it would infringe on the free will of many people on the planet. But I do believe that it was hinted that it was possible, throught the law of squares concerning how many call. For example, if two call, it is worth two, but if three call, it is worth four. if four call, it is worth eight. Five would equal sixteen, ect. The good people of this planet have the strength in numbers to pull this off. This is how it works when Carla and the group talk with Quo. They call it a doubling effect. The light they give off when in a group is exponentially greater for each person that is added to the group.

I'm going to try and find quotes to further explain what I'm talking about. if anyone else can add some quotes pertaining to this subject, I would appreciate it (Cyclops???).

That is beyond the issue of free will i think. Its about untangling a mess. Remember how maldek has become a tangle after their catastrophe. It took a long time before any complex was able to reach them and untangle it.

Issue is similar with our current world. It is so a complicated mess that, brutally going in and trying to untangle it will create numerous issues, one of which would be karmic consequences for those who are intervening.

(06-14-2010, 03:58 PM)peelstreetguy Wrote: [ -> ]Ummm. I don't think you understand. I guess I should have been more clear. The "Call" refers to calling the Confederation to come here physically and help us out of this mess. They have stated that they cannot do it because it would infringe on the free will of many people on the planet. But I do believe that it was hinted that it was possible, throught the law of squares concerning how many call. For example, if two call, it is worth two, but if three call, it is worth four. if four call, it is worth eight. Five would equal sixteen, ect. The good people of this planet have the strength in numbers to pull this off. This is how it works when Carla and the group talk with Quo. They call it a doubling effect. The light they give off when in a group is exponentially greater for each person that is added to the group.

I'm going to try and find quotes to further explain what I'm talking about. if anyone else can add some quotes pertaining to this subject, I would appreciate it (Cyclops???).

hmm yes i didnt get that. my take is that i dont want to be saved by
anyone or anything. once im saved by something or someone then i
surrender my power, in other words i am saying they are more spiritual
than me they are greater than me and i just dont buy that. this whole thing this whole trip is about discovering our own personal power. if
i have to beg and plead with somebody to help me it doesnt work
for me. if u love me and u see me in trouble youll help automatically.
the whole point of all of this is to wake people up. if the whole planet
gets flushed down the toilet because of this so be it. i am not begging
anybody to help. i pray to God he hears me the ball is in his court
as far as what he does about my prayers. one thing i know he always
answers just not always the way i expect. and the oil spill is not the end of it we are going to see other stuff we haven't seen before. we are at the end of a 75000 year cycle . there is no more room left. it is going to be a wild ride thats for sure. bottom line our faith is going to be tested
my core belief is that my main task is to eliminate all guile and deception
from my heart, all thoughts of self from me i'll banish into the gulf of
love to vanish as it says in a christian hymn. once i do my own personal
work the rest is in Gods hands, if i die so be it i will not die in fear but in
faith . as the apostle Paul says i have fought the good fight and henceforth is laid up for me a crown of eternal life.
i realize that i have a different feeling about death than most i dont
really fear it it kind of fascinates me so i view so called catastrophes
differently than most i dont welcome them but i dont fear them either.
Peel im not being critical of you or trying to be disrespectfull but this is
my honest feeling and i have to be honest.

your brother
norral

Remember: We are (as Dr. Bill Deagle says) Engines of Manifestation. We create our own reality.

The negative forces want us to concentrate on doom and catastrophe. If enough of us concentrate on it, that is what will happen.

If enough of us concentrate on peace, love, harmony, and ascension, those things will come to pass.

Focus on what you Want to happen, not what you don't want to happen!

June 6, 1974
"I and many of my brothers have answered the call to come and assist the people of Earth. We have been up to now merely observing and learning the techniques of contacting the Earth people. Some of our observations are very interesting. We find your people still devoting a great deal of their time to elaborate ritual, to the building of fabulous houses. We find your people searching in all directions for that which they call the light of their Creator."


Exerpt from book one
"Millions of years ago the consciousness of the planet Venus blended into the “social memory complex” known in Earth’s history as Ra. When such a blending has taken place the primary method for such civilizations to further their evolution and union with the Creator is by offering their service to less advanced civilizations who call for aid in their own evolution. Eleven thousand years ago Ra answered such a call from the Egyptians and for a short time walked the Earth in order to teach the Law of One in person. At a later time Ra also built many of the pyramids for use by the Egyptians in healing and initiation, but because the Egyptians worshipped Ra as a god and distorted Ra’s teaching of the Law of One, Ra was forced to leave the Egyptians and wait for another opportunity to balance the distortions in the Law of One for which it felt responsible."


This is one I was looking for:

Book 1, session 22.

Questioner: As the cycle terminated 25,000 years ago, what was the reaction of the Confederation to the lack of harvest?

Ra: I am Ra. We became concerned.

Questioner: Was any action taken immediately, or did you wait for a call?

Ra: I am Ra. The Council of Saturn acted only in allowing the entry into third density of other mind/body/spirit complexes of third-density, not Wanderers, but those who sought further third-density experience. This was done randomly so that free will would not be violated for there was not yet a call.

Questioner: Was the next action taken by the Confederation when a call occurred?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Questioner: Who or what group produced this call, and what action was taken by the Confederation?

Ra: I am Ra. The calling was that of Atlanteans. This calling was for what you would call understanding with the distortion towards helping other-selves. The action taken is that which you take part in at this time: the impression of information through channels, as you would call them.

Questioner: Was this first calling then at a time before Atlantis became technologically advanced?

Ra: I am Ra. This is basically correct.

Questioner: Then did the technological advancement of Atlantis come because of this call? I am assuming that the call was answered to bring them the Law of One and the Law of Love as a distortion of the Law of One, but did they also then get technological information that caused them to grow into such a highly advanced technological society?

Ra: I am Ra. Not at first. At about the same time as we first appeared in the skies over Egypt and continuing thereafter, other entities of the Confederation appeared unto Atlanteans who had reached a level of philosophical understanding, shall we misuse this word, which was consonant with communication, to encourage and inspire studies in the mystery of unity.

However, requests being made for healing and other understanding, information was passed having to do with crystals and the building of pyramids as well as temples, as you would call them, which were associated with training.

Questioner: Was this training the same sort of initiatory training that was done with Egyptians?

Ra: I am Ra. This training was different in that the social complex was more, shall we say, sophisticated and less contradictory and barbarous in its ways of thinking. Therefore the temples were temples of learning rather than the attempt being made to totally separate and put upon a pedestal the healers.

Questioner: Then were there what we call priests trained in these temples?

Ra: I am Ra. You would not call them priests in the sense of celibacy, of obedience, and of poverty. They were priests in the sense of those devoted to learning.

The difficulties became apparent as those trained in this learning began to attempt to use crystal powers for those things other than healing, as they were involved not only with learning but became involved with what you would call the governmental structure.

Questioner: Was all of their information given to them in the same way that we are getting our information now, through an instrument such as this instrument?

Ra: I am Ra. There were visitations from time to time but none of importance in the, shall we say, historical passage of events in your space/time continuum.

Questioner: Was it necessary for them to have an unified social complex for these visitations to occur? What conditions were necessary for these visitations to occur?

Ra: I am Ra. The conditions were two: the calling of a group of people whose square overcame the integrated resistance of those unwilling to search or learn; the second requirement, the relative naiveté of those members of the Confederation who felt that direct transfer of information would necessarily be as helpful for Atlanteans as it had been for the Confederation entity.

Questioner: I see then. What you are saying is that these naive Confederation entities had had the same thing happen to them in the past so they were doing the same thing for the Atlantean entities. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. We remind you that we are one of the naive members of that Confederation and are still attempting to recoup the damage for which we feel responsibility. It is our duty as well as honor to continue with your peoples, therefore, until all traces of the distortions of our teach/learnings have been embraced by their opposite distortions, and balance achieved.

Questioner: I see. Then I will state the picture I have of Atlantis and you tell me if I am correct.

We have a condition where a large enough percentage of the people of Atlantis had started at least going in the direction of the Law of One and living the Law of One for their call to be heard by the Confederation. This call was heard because, using the Law of Squares, it overrode the opposition of the Atlantean entities who were not calling. The Confederation then used channels such as we use now in communication and also made contact directly, but this turned out to be a mistake because it was perverted by the entities of Atlantis. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct with one exception. There is only one law. That is the Law of One. Other so-called laws are distortions of this law, some of them primal and most important for progress to be understood. However, it is well that each so-called law, which we also call “way,” be understood as a distortion rather than a law. There is no multiplicity to the Law of One.

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you are failing to notice that in all cases interventions and aids were done in indirect forms, either teaching various initiates how to use pyramids to heal the mind/body/spirits of entities, or giving out technology and whatnot.

in no instance a direct contact with the intention of intervening socially, politically, directly was done.

Norral, I thank you for your honesty. I don't want the planet to get flushed down the tubes. I don't mind asking for help when it is needed. maybe we don't need it, but I think we do.

Eddie, I understand what you are saying and do believe it. Clearly there are not enough people focusing on what they want to happen. So what now? I can focus on being harvestable and maybe make it, while I watch many, many others fail. Is that right? Is that acceptable for a STO person?


guys,
i don't have the answers to these questions, but I think we need help. I don't think getting help would take away our power. I don't even know if they would come, or if they could even help us to get out of this mess. I can't sit back and mind my own bussiness when so many are suffering at the hands of so few. That's why I started this thread.

Anyone else have any ideas?

(06-14-2010, 05:11 PM)peelstreetguy Wrote: [ -> ]Norral, I thank you for your honesty. I don't want the planet to get flushed down the tubes. I don't mind asking for help when it is needed. maybe we don't need it, but I think we do.

Eddie, I understand what you are saying and do believe it. Clearly there are not enough people focusing on what they want to happen. So what now? I can focus on being harvestable and maybe make it, while I watch many, many others fail. Is that right? Is that acceptable for a STO person?


guys,
i don't have the answers to these questions, but I think we need help. I don't think getting help would take away our power. I don't even know if they would come, or if they could even help us to get out of this mess. I can't sit back and mind my own bussiness when so many are suffering at the hands of so few. That's why I started this thread.

Anyone else have any ideas?

I do not think getting 'help' is taking away our power either. If it can help more and more people awaken, that has to be a positive thing. From the channeling of Bashar (awesome), he mentions their race has a 'hands-off' quarantine of Earth until Dec 2012, and after then, they are free to contact those who seek them. Not sure what the Confederations stance on this is however.

Let us not forget that Ra mentions that many of our greatest inventors/geniuses were telepathically given 'downloads'. This too, is a form of ET help, albeit less direct. We have been helped in more ways than the general public is led to believe, and it doesn't make us any less of a species.

I'm not sure how which is more effective, a group meditation on contact/help, or one on visualising peace and harmony. Either way, I'd be more than happy to take part

(06-14-2010, 05:08 PM)unity100 Wrote: [ -> ]in no instance a direct contact with the intention of intervening socially, politically, directly was done.

True. However, the planet was under quarantine. That's no longer true. The quarantine is being lifted as we rejoin the time lateral.

It can't hurt to try.

Count me in, peels!!

Yo, can you hook a fella up with the info on the channelings of bashar? I'm in the need of a good fun read to keep morale high, much appreciated in advance <B

(06-14-2010, 06:32 PM)Namaste Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-14-2010, 05:11 PM)peelstreetguy Wrote: [ -> ]Norral, I thank you for your honesty. I don't want the planet to get flushed down the tubes. I don't mind asking for help when it is needed. maybe we don't need it, but I think we do.

Eddie, I understand what you are saying and do believe it. Clearly there are not enough people focusing on what they want to happen. So what now? I can focus on being harvestable and maybe make it, while I watch many, many others fail. Is that right? Is that acceptable for a STO person?


guys,
i don't have the answers to these questions, but I think we need help. I don't think getting help would take away our power. I don't even know if they would come, or if they could even help us to get out of this mess. I can't sit back and mind my own bussiness when so many are suffering at the hands of so few. That's why I started this thread.

Anyone else have any ideas?

I do not think getting 'help' is taking away our power either. If it can help more and more people awaken, that has to be a positive thing. From the channeling of Bashar (awesome), he mentions their race has a 'hands-off' quarantine of Earth until Dec 2012, and after then, they are free to contact those who seek them. Not sure what the Confederations stance on this is however.

Let us not forget that Ra mentions that many of our greatest inventors/geniuses were telepathically given 'downloads'. This too, is a form of ET help, albeit less direct. We have been helped in more ways than the general public is led to believe, and it doesn't make us any less of a species.

I'm not sure how which is more effective, a group meditation on contact/help, or one on visualising peace and harmony. Either way, I'd be more than happy to take part

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I'd just like to add, as off-topic as this may be. The horrific disaster of the gulf has really helped to open my heart, a slight reconnection of my emotions and heart, yippy, what a horrible price to pay for it though. You can count me in, I feel like I can do anything, and my heart is set on protecting all my darling fellow beings here, the rage and pain I feel about this is unparalleled in my life. Let us spread love to the darkest corners of the earth.

(06-14-2010, 06:32 PM)Namaste Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure how which is more effective, a group meditation on contact/help, or one on visualising peace and harmony. Either way, I'd be more than happy to take part

Many, many groups are already praying and doing meditations for peace. I agree with peels that a direct call for help might be in order here. It can't hurt to try! If our Confederation friends decide that direct involvement is an infringement of free will to those who aren't calling, then no harm done. The call won't have been wasted because, in that case, they will surely help us indirectly.

But what if they are standing by, ready to assist, if enough people called? Why not try? I think the key is that we need to be careful to not fall into the "Lord please save me" trap, like those awaiting the return of Jesus, or spaceships to rescue them.

The Law of One is about the resolution of paradoxes. It may seem paradoxical to simultaneously take responsibility for our own karmic mess, and call for help...It may seem paradoxical to call for help, while not expecting to be 'rescued.'

I think it is possible to call for help, without a "I'm a victim please rescue me" mentality. If we call for help with an attitude of, Hey this has gone far enough. Let's all work together...that means all of us on Earth as well as our Confederation friends....to end this insanity" then the call might be seen not as a shirking of responsibility, but of a unifying for a common cause.

Thank you Monica and Namaste. Now we are three, the minimum needed to start the ball rolling. hopefully more will join.

(06-14-2010, 06:59 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-14-2010, 06:32 PM)Namaste Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure how which is more effective, a group meditation on contact/help, or one on visualising peace and harmony. Either way, I'd be more than happy to take part

Many, many groups are already praying and doing meditations for peace. I agree with peels that a direct call for help might be in order here. It can't hurt to try! If our Confederation friends decide that direct involvement is an infringement of free will to those who aren't calling, then no harm done. The call won't have been wasted because, in that case, they will surely help us indirectly.

But what if they are standing by, ready to assist, if enough people called? Why not try? I think the key is that we need to be careful to not fall into the "Lord please save me" trap, like those awaiting the return of Jesus, or spaceships to rescue them.

The Law of One is about the resolution of paradoxes. It may seem paradoxical to simultaneously take responsibility for our own karmic mess, and call for help...It may seem paradoxical to call for help, while not expecting to be 'rescued.'

I think it is possible to call for help, without a "I'm a victim please rescue me" mentality. If we call for help with an attitude of, Hey this has gone far enough. Let's all work together...that means all of us on Earth as well as our Confederation friends....to end this insanity" then the call might be seen not as a shirking of responsibility, but of a unifying for a common cause.

Thank you again Monica for that post. You describe really well how I was thinking about this. I'm not the best with expressing myself sometimes.

I guess a daily meditation at the same time if possible would be a good beginning. Could you or anyone come up with a simple enough statement to repeat or state at the beginning of the meditation, that would define our intent?
As a rough draft, I like Monica's,
"Let's all work together...that means all of us on Earth as well as our Confederation friends....to end this insanity".
How about starting it like this, "We call on the Confederation of Planets and Angels in service to the one infinite creator. We ask you for your help........

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opps... Biu_Tze, I missed the bottom of your post. I see that you are in, great!

That makes four, which I believe is the equivalent of eight.

(06-14-2010, 08:02 PM)peelstreetguy Wrote: [ -> ]That makes four, which I believe is the equivalent of eight.

Three of us will be at my place this weekend, so that makes some more.

(06-14-2010, 06:47 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-14-2010, 05:08 PM)unity100 Wrote: [ -> ]in no instance a direct contact with the intention of intervening socially, politically, directly was done.

True. However, the planet was under quarantine. That's no longer true. The quarantine is being lifted as we rejoin the time lateral.

It can't hurt to try.

Count me in, peels!!

a point of note here ; quarantine was instituted back in the last cycle, 25,000 years ago. you are talking about quo's time lateral business i guess. what i remember is that it is a more quarantined, less susceptible to negative meddling version. i dont think it means the normal quarantine.

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im of the opinion that this world needs a lot of behind the curtains interventions to be able to have a proper transition to 4d.

the current social and political and economic systems are still WAY too negative to allow any kind of meaningful positive activity. people are having to fend for themselves in a negative structured society where minority 7% elite takes 72% of the wealth and resources. when you go even higher, it goes down to 53% being taken by 1% top. (america 2007 stats). and this system is defended by numerous control mechanisms the perpetrators have, ranging from brainwashing through media outlets to tailor-made, purpose built and purchased laws. (lobbying).

actually, despite the planet is positive 4d, ironically the system itself seems to be tailor-made negative 3-4d. very ironic and curious.

the situation here is way too complex for any normal 3d end, 4d start positive entities to solve. leave aside the 3d entities. one option is mass reaction, disobedience and people-oriented revolution, in the case of which there are even segments of their own society that are waiting to massacre them, or jail them en masse, leave aside the establishments.

Count me in as well- but I think we are already receiving more help than we know. I don't believe that the Confederation has left us since the 80's when the Ra material was channeled. Actually for the last 200 years:

Quote:Questioner: Then did the Confederation step up its program of helping planet Earth some time late in this last major cycle? It seems that they did from previous data, especially with the Industrial Revolution. Can you tell me the attitudes and the reasonings behind this? is there any reason other than they just wanted to produce more leisure time in the last, say, one hundred years of the cycle? Is this the total reason?
Ra: I am Ra. This is not the total reason. Approximately two hundred of your years in the past, as you measure time, there began to be a significant amount of entities who by seniority were incarnating for learn/teaching purposes rather than for the lesser of the learn/teachings of those less aware of the process. This was our signal to enable communication to take place.

The way I understand it, earth is already vibrating in the fourth dimension green ray, transitionally, however her inhabitants are not, thereby causing excessive heat and a difficult harvest. Harvest is ongoing, it has been since 1987, I don't think there is any danger of earth meeting the fate of Maldek or Mars.

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The fourth density is a vibrational spectrum. Your time/space continuum has spiraled your planetary sphere and your, what we would call galaxy, what you call star, into this vibration. This will cause the planetary sphere itself to electromagnetically realign its vortices of reception of the in-streaming of cosmic forces expressing themselves as vibrational webs so that the Earth thus be fourth-density magnetized, as you may call it.

This is going to occur with some inconvenience, as we have said before, due to the energies of the thought-forms of your peoples which disturb the orderly constructs of energy patterns within your Earth spirals of energy which increases entropy and unusable heat. This will cause your planetary sphere to have some ruptures in its outer garment while making itself appropriately magnetized for fourth density. This is the planetary adjustment.

You will find a sharp increase in the number of people, as you call mind/body/spirit complexes, whose vibrational potentials include the potential for fourth-vibrational distortions. Thus, there will seem to be, shall we say, a new breed. These are those incarnating for fourth-density work.

There will also be a sharp increase in the short run of negatively oriented or polarized mind/body/spirit complexes and social complexes, due to the polarizing conditions of the sharp delineation between fourth-density characteristics and third-density self-service orientation.

Those who remain in fourth density upon this plane will be of the so-called positive orientation. Many will come from elsewhere, for it would appear that with all the best efforts of the Confederation, which includes those from your peoples’ inner planes, inner civilizations, and those from other dimensions, the harvest will still be much less than this planetary sphere is capable of comfortably supporting in service.

Quote:What is stopping this planet from becoming like Maldek or Mars? Right now, nothing!

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The peoples of Maldek had a civilization somewhat similar to that of the societal complex known to you as Atlantis in that it gained much technological information and used it without care for the preservation of their sphere following to a majority extent the complex of thought, ideas, and actions which you may associate with your so-called negative polarity or the service to self. This was, however, for the most part, couched in a sincere belief/thought structure which seemed to the perception of the mind/body complexes of this sphere to be positive and of service to others. The devastation that wracked their biosphere and caused its disintegration resulted from what you call war.

The escalation went to the furthest extent of the technology this social complex had at its disposal in the space/time present of the then time. This time was approximately 705,000 of your years ago. The cycles had begun much, much earlier upon this sphere due to its relative ability to support the first-dimensional life forms at an earlier point in the space/time continuum of your solar system. These entities were so traumatized by this occurrence that they were in what you may call a social complex knot or tangle of fear. Some of your time passed. No one could reach them. No beings could aid them.

Quote: The first of those to come here were brought from another planet in your solar system called by you the Red Planet, Mars. This planet’s environment became inhospitable to third-density beings.

Quote:Upon the entity known to you as Mars, as you have already discussed, this entity was stopped in mid-third density, thus being unable to continue in progression due to the lack of hospitable conditions upon the surface. This planet shall be undergoing healing for some of your space/time millennia.

Since the end of our major cycle is less than two of our years away, I don't think we are in any danger of the planet not being able to support life, or damaged to the extent that it cannot support third density life whatsoever.

Quote:I do not see the powers that be, the elite, or whatever you want to call them, having a change of heart any time soon. The masses are waking up, but not enough and not fast enough and not enough in positions of power.
The "powers that be" know this and are speeding up their scedule. Look how fast things are moving these days.

The powers that be will not be having a change of heart, and they will be making last ditch efforts to save their program. Resistance at this point I think is futile.

Quote:. So what now? I can focus on being harvestable and maybe make it, while I watch many, many others fail. Is that right? Is that acceptable for a STO person?

It would not be acceptable for an STO person to impose their beliefs, their free will on other selves, if they are not ready vibrationally.
peelstreetguy, there is nothing that you or I or anyone can do to make someone ready for harvest if they are not. Consider that the inhabitants of this planet are from varied origins, and also that if the call was not strong for the Orion influences, they would not make it through the quarantine. STO and STS are both routes to Creation, there are groups clearly on this path, as well as those obviously in the grasps of karmic entanglement which may or may not be of their own doing. These entities will go on working on their third density lessons, or they may graduate STS, either way our purpose as wanderers is to be here to aid, to live our lives, whatever they may be, in love and light, the fact that we engage in these discussions and are actively engaged in remembering, is raising the collective vibrational frequency as we speak.

Quote:The Wanderers which came among you began to make themselves felt at approximately this time, firstly offering ideas or thoughts containing the distortion of free will. This was the prerequisite for further Wanderers which had information of a more specific nature to offer. The thought must precede the action.

We each have those in our spheres of influence to whom we may be the catalyst that leads them to the Law of One, there are others to whom our influence will be positive, though they may not ever understand or embrace the Law of One. This does not mean though, that they are not harvestable.

Besides our studies and efforts to live in light, I think purposeful thought, and conscious intentions especially when squared together with full understanding of the Law of Squares, is the greatest service we can perform in our capacity as wanderers. This world is a complex tangled up mess, to become involved or even to feed it with our thoughts and/or fears, is intuitively counterproductive. I quite frankly take advice from Ra in the danger of naive actions, however well meant. To stay clearly away from infringement of free will, or the Law of Confusion, and ensure that no unintentional karmic entanglement will occur outside our awareness, it seems that joining together and directing our energies is the best thing we can do to aid in the illumination of the green ray on our blue planet.

(06-15-2010, 12:37 AM)crystl37 Wrote: [ -> ]Since the end of our major cycle is less than two of our years away, I don't think we are in any danger of the planet not being able to support life, or damaged to the extent that it cannot support third density life whatsoever.

one planetwide nuclear exchange can destroy entire planet. one less wide nuclear exchange can render it unusable, inhospitable.

that is of course leaving out the beam and psychotronic weapons that are used in the secret flying ufo-like weapons Ra talks about usa and russia having. i reckon they can cause even more destruction.

Quote:Consider that the inhabitants of this planet are from varied origins, and also that if the call was not strong for the Orion influences, they would not make it through the quarantine.

there is a balancing mechanism. if a positive call is sent, it appears they also allow a negative influence equal to that positive influence come. that is probably why they got that opportunity window and so harmfully seeded many in the middle east region with innumerable telepathic messages, various manifestations with the doomsday propaganda, and one-god-one-religion-one-prophet and everyone obeys it mindset.

the consequences were far more overreaching than anything that could happen - not only the hierarchical, controlling religions and their structures control and throw middle east into endless and brutal wars and repression during ancient times, they also found their way way until scandinavia, scotland, ireland and infected and deteriorated the cultures there, taking them in their grasp that didnt relent until late 19th century.

because message was received by positive entities, and spread around in the name of positivity, it didnt provide much negative polarization opportunities in their true form either. because the thing came with hierarchical, controlling structures, it didnt allow much positive polarization in a meaningful, free sense either.

so, the result has been a total screwup.

the allowance of that orion influence was wrong. you do not allow in any influence to an environment before there are actually people who are calling for it. that act probably damaged the world's polarization efforts even further, until the effects was gotten rid of in late 19th century through efforts of endless waves of wanderers.

Quote:STO and STS are both routes to Creation, there are groups clearly on this path, as well as those obviously in the grasps of karmic entanglement which may or may not be of their own doing. These entities will go on working on their third density lessons, or they may graduate STS, either way our purpose as wanderers is to be here to aid, to live our lives, whatever they may be, in love and light, the fact that we engage in these discussions and are actively engaged in remembering, is raising the collective vibrational frequency as we speak.

the problem here is that, the sts orientation is one that, if not prevented, can very wilfully and aptly prevent your or others' polarization efforts toward even service to self polarization, leave aside service to others. negative polarity wants the slaves under it powerless, witless, so that better control can be gained. so, someone negatively polarizing down below you is also a danger. the lot in this world is even more so, because they have been given a lot of tools that can control the masses through undeserved, uncalled for technology.

they wouldnt refrain from implanting you with any kind of energetical, magnetical stuff, brainwashing you in true sense, or doing anything that would physically or spiritually making your polarization impossible.

this world and its situation is a screw up that needs serious intervention. it has been able to come to even this point by a lot of intervention.

Quote:Unity100 wrote
there is a balancing mechanism. if a positive call is sent, it appears they also allow a negative influence equal to that positive influence come. that is probably why they got that opportunity window and so harmfully seeded many in the middle east region with innumerable telepathic messages, various manifestations with the doomsday propaganda, and one-god-one-religion-one-prophet and everyone obeys it mindset.

the consequences were far more overreaching than anything that could happen - not only the hierarchical, controlling religions and their structures control and throw middle east into endless and brutal wars and repression during ancient times, they also found their way way until scandinavia, scotland, ireland and infected and deteriorated the cultures there, taking them in their grasp that didnt relent until late 19th century.

because message was received by positive entities, and spread around in the name of positivity, it didnt provide much negative polarization opportunities in their true form either. because the thing came with hierarchical, controlling structures, it didnt allow much positive polarization in a meaningful, free sense either.

so, the result has been a total screwup.

the allowance of that orion influence was wrong. you do not allow in any influence to an environment before there are actually people who are calling for it. that act probably damaged the world's polarization efforts even further, until the effects was gotten rid of in late 19th century through efforts of endless waves of wanderers.

Quote:Their numbers are perhaps one-tenth ours at any point in the space/time continuum as the problem of spiritual entropy causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes. Their power is the same as ours. The Law of One blinks neither at the light nor the darkness, but is available for service to others and service to self. However, service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines.

Those seeking intelligent infinity through the use of service to self create the same amount of power but, as we said, have constant difficulty because of the concept of separation which is implicit in the manifestations of the service to self which involve power over others. This weakens and eventually disintegrates the energy collected by such mind/body/spirit complexes who call the Orion group and the social memory complexes which comprise the Orion group.

It should be noted, carefully pondered, and accepted, that the Law of One is available to any social memory complex which has decided to strive together for any seeking of purpose, be it service to others or service to self. The laws, which are the primal distortions of the Law of One, then are placed into operation and the illusion of space/time is used as a medium for the development of the results of those choices freely made. Thus all entities learn, no matter what they seek. All learn the same, some rapidly, some slowly.

Ra clearly states here that the Law of One is equally available to either polarization, the non infringement on free will is the underlying law, STO entities create STS entities, they cannot be prevented.

Quote:You will recall that we went into some detail as to how those not oriented towards seeking service for others yet, nevertheless, found and could use the gateway to intelligent infinity. This is true at all densities in our octave. We cannot speak for those above us, as you would say, in the next quantum or octave of beingness. This is, however, true of this octave of density. The beings are harvested because they can see and enjoy the light/love of the appropriate density. Those who have found this light/love, love/light without benefit of a desire for service to others nevertheless, by the Law of Free Will, have the right to the use of that light/love for whatever purpose. Also, it may be inserted that there are systems of study which enable the seeker of separation to gain these gateways.

This study is as difficult as the one which we have described to you, but there are those with the perseverance to pursue the study just as you desire to pursue the difficult path of seeking to know in order to serve. The distortion lies in the effect that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve others is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.

Are you saying that you think we have been free of Orion influence since the late 19th century?

What do you mean by it should not have been allowed? Allowed by whom?

Quote:Questioner: Then we have crusaders from Orion coming to this planet for mind control purposes. How do they do this?

Ra: I am Ra. As all, they follow the Law of One observing free will. Contact is made with those who call. Those then upon the planetary sphere act much as do you to disseminate the attitudes and philosophy of their particular understanding of the Law of One which is service to self. These become the elite. Through these, the attempt begins to create a condition whereby the remainder of the planetary entities are enslaved by their free will.

Quote:24.4 Questioner: How did the Orion group get through the quarantine 3,600 years ago? The random window effect?

Ra: I am Ra. At that time this was not entirely so, as there was a proper calling for this information. When there is a mixed calling the window effect is much more put into motion by the ways of the densities.

The quarantine in this case was, shall we say, not patrolled so closely, due to the lack of strong polarity, the windows thus needing to be very weak in order for penetration. As your harvest approaches, those forces of what you would call light work according to their call. The ones of Orion have the working only according to their call. This calling is in actuality not nearly as great.

Thus, due to the way of empowering or squares there is much resistance to penetration. Yet free will must be maintained and those desiring negatively oriented information, as you would call it, must then be satisfied by those moving through by the window effect.

The world will play out as the world plays out. Just like it has done for thousands of years. How you react to…or embrace the catalyst dealt to you in this lifetime is what is important. I don’t think it matters what is …or what we think is coming…if anything. But if something does happen? Can you recognize the learning opportunity inherent in the experience? That’s a tough one for us. Being human ties us to our emotions and the reactions to catalyst. We just do the best we can when disaster hits…and maybe…after a time of grief or sadness…realize the message in the lesson. Or not.

I try to face the future, but concentrate on the now. Looking for those jewel moments of now where you suddenly realize that everything, for now, is just perfect. I had one of those moments just this morning. My wife has up before I left for work. Like so many people these days, we are struggling with a job loss (hers)…but we are getting by. In any case, she was curled up by the arm of the couch, sipping a cup of coffee. I sat down beside her for few moments before going to work, we were snuggled up looking thru the front room window at the squirrels playing in the pine tree. Then my lil kitty..for whatever reason…jumps on the back of the couch and just drapes herself around my neck and rests her head against my lower jaw and left ear and starts purring like crazy. (she has never laid across my neck like that…ever)

So, I sit there with my wife snuggled on one side and a purring kitty on the other and…it just came to me….wow…what could be better than this moment? The problems of the day just faded out..and for a minute..I had ahold of a crystalline moment of now. Just incredible. Would that we could experience it all the time?…or perhaps its fleeting experience is what keeps us going?

Richard

(06-15-2010, 10:36 AM)Richard Wrote: [ -> ]The world will play out as the world plays out. Just like it has done for thousands of years. How you react to…or embrace the catalyst dealt to you in this lifetime is what is important. I don’t think it matters what is …or what we think is coming…if anything. But if something does happen? Can you recognize the learning opportunity inherent in the experience? That’s a tough one for us. Being human ties us to our emotions and the reactions to catalyst. We just do the best we can when disaster hits…and maybe…after a time of grief or sadness…realize the message in the lesson. Or not.

I try to face the future, but concentrate on the now. Looking for those jewel moments of now where you suddenly realize that everything, for now, is just perfect. I had one of those moments just this morning. My wife has up before I left for work. Like so many people these days, we are struggling with a job loss (hers)…but we are getting by. In any case, she was curled up by the arm of the couch, sipping a cup of coffee. I sat down beside her for few moments before going to work, we were snuggled up looking thru the front room window at the squirrels playing in the pine tree. Then my lil kitty..for whatever reason…jumps on the back of the couch and just drapes herself around my neck and rests her head against my lower jaw and left ear and starts purring like crazy. (she has never laid across my neck like that…ever)

So, I sit there with my wife snuggled on one side and a purring kitty on the other and…it just came to me….wow…what could be better than this moment? The problems of the day just faded out..and for a minute..I had ahold of a crystalline moment of now. Just incredible. Would that we could experience it all the time?…or perhaps its fleeting experience is what keeps us going?

Richard

thats a beautiful moment rich . thanks for sharing. i feel the same way when i spend time with my family i say to myself there is nothing
better than this at least not for me.

Richard: wonderful! Indeed they are the moments that show you that love, peace and harmony are in the moment, and only need to be opened to. The task is to open to those moments without the need for circumstances that generate them, hence to be able to generate the feeling regardless of the circumstance. Easier said than done in a world of distractions, but can be fun to do during the day. Attaining this state permanently would be akin to living heaven on Earth - enlightenment - which only a relative few have accomplished.

Take a moment to observe the beauty of a single flower, or watch a butterfly. Go outside and take a full breath of fresh air and feel the gratitude for your life. There is always a catalyst for love

Back on topic, remember that when you feel love for yourself and others, you are helping humanity in ways greater than perceived. It may even feel selfish, but be assured it's not, it's part of the balance/duality of third density.

(06-15-2010, 05:05 AM)crystl37 Wrote: [ -> ]Ra clearly states here that the Law of One is equally available to either polarization, the non infringement on free will is the underlying law, STO entities create STS entities, they cannot be prevented.

if you remember, ra also numerous times states that sts entities violate free will whenever they are allowed, enslaving the entities they can.

Quote:However, service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines.

moreover, this, in the case of the ~1600BC window that has opened and allowed in the negative outfit, as Ra says, the window was governed by a principle that was in higher dimensions. therefore, its becomes unrelated to any kind of natural law, or the nature of existence. it is a governed law, that is maintained by entities of higher densities, maybe even higher than 8th. the entities which are still learning, just as we, by the way :

Quote:Questioner: What is the source of this random number generator? Is it created by the Guardians to balance their guarding? Or is it a source other than the Guardians?

Ra: I am Ra. All sources are one. However, we understand your query. The window phenomenon is an other-self phenomenon from the Guardians. It operates from the dimensions beyond space/time in what you may call the area of intelligent energy. Like your cycles, such balancing, such rhythms are as a clock striking. In the case of the windows, no entities have the clock. Therefore, it seems random. It is not random in the dimension which produces this balance. That is why we stated the analogy was within certain limits.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=16&ss=1#5

Therefore, these windows that are 'balancing' the free will, are the products of guardians, sentient entities of higher densities.

Quote:Are you saying that you think we have been free of Orion influence since the late 19th century?

we dont have enough information, however we can speculate. there are numerous noteworthy points. one is the fascism episode in 1930-40s. i am vaguely remembering that Ra saying this was an experiment, but failed. however i couldnt find it after reading through and skimming for an hour and a half.

whereas waves after waves of positive wanderers incarnating, i think any kind of negative influence would wane, (because they find it risky to incarnate to 3d), unless guardians allowed them windows of opportunity.

Quote:What do you mean by it should not have been allowed? Allowed by whom?

guardians, their other-selves as Ra puts it.

ra says that in the case of 1600 bc window, that wasnt created by such a window, but the quarantine was not closely patrolled then. however, then that makes it a case of neglect, benign or otherwise.

for, even if the call was not strong or mixed at that time, the patterns negative influence was able to set have hampered everyone's polarization :

ie, positive entities couldnt polarize well because there wasnt freedom - everything was under hierarchical religious/political control. negative entities couldnt polarize, because the hierarchies they sat on top of required positive justifications for any kind of act, including negative. negative acts were committed, but always finding a positive justification first, and doing positive propaganda. positive efforts were made, but always hampered or their fruits stolen by negative controls.

( on another sidenote, this also encompasses the efforts of wanderers like st augustine, or wanderer-alike-natives like mother theresa - they incarnated in the hierarchical control schemes, and tried to do positive service. their service also furthered the hierarchical control scheme they were incarnated into, in that case, church reputation, support and control of the society. this, in following centuries was used more and more to control of the people. goes for any wanderers working with this world, with the exception of 18th century wave, the wave which includes thomas jefferson, benjamin franklin and many others. this time, the plan was set right, and instead of incarnating into and living in, therefore supporting the existing political/religious control schemes, these wanderers have changed the system, instigating revolutions and therefore firmly bringing forth the environment and principles that allowed our modern principles and ideals of freedom and expression, and even these channelings to be possible. none of what we talk about today would be possible in a pre-revolutionary world of 18th century, it would either be stifled by political elite, or religious elite.)

hence that created a lock, a clogging of the polarization.

it was wrong to allow that influence. even in the interests of balance. it is ironic that, 3rd density system that has been set by this logos (and various nearby logoi probably ) is based on polarization to one side, but the 'balance' mechanism that is employed introduces influence from other side to balance any kind of polarization, allowing the negative to enslave and subdue the positively polarized, therefore basically preventing polarization. a self conflicting mechanism, or two self conflicting mechanisms.

entities should polarize towards what they want in a polarized system. forced balancing is illogical.


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(06-15-2010, 10:36 AM)Richard Wrote: [ -> ]The world will play out as the world plays out. Just like it has done for thousands of years.

world have not played out, is not playing, will not play out as it 'plays out'.

there are infinite numbers of possibilities, and the fate of the world changes with any given point, with every choice made. there is no 'predetermined fate'.

Quote:14.32 Questioner: Where did the information come from that Edgar Cayce channeled?

Ra: I am Ra. We have explained before that the intelligent infinity is brought into intelligent energy from eighth density or octave. The one sound vibratory complex called Edgar used this gateway to view the present, which is not the continuum you experience but the potential social memory complex of this planetary sphere. The term your peoples have used for this is the “Akashic Record” or the “Hall of Records.” This is the last question which you may now ask.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=14&ss=1#32

Adding to this the information that quo gives, stating that earth we currently live in has been separated from the normal continuum in 1997 because there was too much orion influence, and it would join the time continuum in 2011 winter solstice, this means that the world changed its fate at least twice throughout history as we know ; first, from the time edgar cayce channeled the potential future to the time Ra material was channeled, second, 1997 timeline switch.

that means nothing plays out 'as they played out'. entities make choices, and this changes everything.

which is actually the summary of late 6th density to late 7th density work, from what i understand from Ra.

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There is no predestined route, there is no predetermined fate. There are probable fates. If, an entity wills it thoroughly and strongly, and has the proper karmic, energetic, spiritual conditions to be able to live in a different timeline ( s/he should be able to handle the spiritual environment there, the violet ray should be compatible ), s/he can change his/her timeline.

The same goes for earth, a 3d planet, therefore 3d entity, which as a mind/body/spirit totality through its societal complex in 7d.

the ones which allowing earth to become an entity are us, the entities living on it. our collective resultant will vector, will determine the way earth goes, chooses.

its making choice. its THE free will. its responsibility.

Unity wrote:

Quote:world have not played out, is not playing, will not play out as it 'plays out'.

there are infinite numbers of possibilities, and the fate of the world changes with any given point, with every choice made. there is no 'predetermined fate'.

Unity,

I believe that is exactly what I said or... it was what was meant in any case. Nowhere in my post did I ever say that there is a pre-determined fate. Only that since the future isn't known, that we should concentrate our efforts on now.

Richard

The Healing of OurSelves and the Environment in which we live is what we mean when we are saying when we say HEAL MOTHER EARTH. She will continue with or without us.

In the interest of maintaining our biosphere, THE CALL is being answered. Of course I am not allowed to post the links as it is through another channel. But rest assured with our continued focus THE CALL IS BEING ANSWERED.

We are NOT out of the WOODS YET! Still there is much more to do.

Hopefully in the INTEREST of HUMANITY the MODERATORS will REFRAIN from DELETING this POST.

This is the skinny on what is happening now and why the Light Beings are assisting

http://www.youtube.com/user/celtickev999...ZCvMQhbH-8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d65gdWR1MQM

This is One of the ways you can help
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQoEmmi4q7A

In these next few weeks, we will experience extremely powerful energy especially with the astro alignments, solstice and eclipses. Now more than ever, your assistance is needed with focused prayers, invocation to the realms of light, assisting star nations and sending light and sound transmission to the Gulf of Mexico. Connecting to the Crystalline Grid is one of the fastest and surest way to transmit the purity of your energy to and through the Earth and out to the galactic. Envelop this entire region and all unwanted rising potential in violet flames and pure white light.

Please ask everyone around you and network groups to assist in combining this focus starting NOW and especially with the incoming Solstice energies.

Our focus is qualified with alignment to Divine Will and the highest good of all concerned
(from the Children of the Sun http://sunchildren.ning.com/ )



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(06-15-2010, 09:13 PM)unity100 Wrote: [ -> ]There is no predestined route, there is no predetermined fate. There are probable fates. If, an entity wills it thoroughly and strongly, and has the proper karmic, energetic, spiritual conditions to be able to live in a different timeline ( s/he should be able to handle the spiritual environment there, the violet ray should be compatible ), s/he can change his/her timeline.

I absolutely agree with this! I am observing what appears to me, to be multiple timelines developing simultaneously. I know people who are in one timeline, and others who are in another. There seems to be an interpenetration of timelines right now. (Sort of like in Star Trek where multiple dimensions coexisted but were slightly 'out of phase' with one another.) Is anyone else noticing this?

(06-15-2010, 09:13 PM)unity100 Wrote: [ -> ]the ones which allowing earth to become an entity are us,

Are you saying the Earth isn't already an entity? Or did you mean to say, 4D entity?

The net of Light is what is keeping the EARTH together right now. To delete this means you do not understand what is happening.

fairyfarmgirl

(06-15-2010, 09:13 PM)unity100 Wrote: [ -> ]it was wrong to allow that influence. even in the interests of balance. it is ironic that, 3rd density system that has been set by this logos (and various nearby logoi probably ) is based on polarization to one side, but the 'balance' mechanism that is employed introduces influence from other side to balance any kind of polarization, allowing the negative to enslave and subdue the positively polarized, therefore basically preventing polarization. a self conflicting mechanism, or two self conflicting mechanisms.

entities should polarize towards what they want in a polarized system. forced balancing is illogical.

Unity you make some really interesting points here. I enjoyed your 'drink from the fire hose' attitude

The phrase above reminded me of my own thoughts in the same line. I used to think an analogy- Say you have your kids playing in the playground and you are keeping an eye from a little distance. Letting them play, run around and sometimes pushing and shoving each other as well. You are letting them have their freedom in that playground. Then some drug dealers/ hard core criminals show up and they don't care about the play ground boundary so much. They start to sell drugs to your kids and just getting ready setup to take over the play ground. What do you do as a parent?

Do you let your kids have the freedom as you had designated the playground as a 'parents free' zone or do you take charge and drive the drug dealers away? Does the logos and council have the same responsibility as we do as parents in 3D? They know that the 'dark t shirt' team is not playing fair and breaking all kinds of rules. Do they tolerate it and let it continue. As involving means affecting their own evolution path and breaking of some rules set up by them and meaning an unpleasant diversions for them, creating responsibilities for them (they don't like to call it Karmic patterns but responsibility/honor)? Ra is an example of an entity stuck with us due to the honor/responsibility code. They tried to help us directly by appearing in form and creating Pyramids and teaching them stuff. That was misused and now the feel the responsibility to make amends.

I don't know the complete answers to all these questions but my feeling is that their hands are really tied and only thing they can do is to get involved as wanderers. As wanderers are part of the 3D setup and have complete freedom to take on the bad guys (not necessarily violently but that is a possibility as well).

I know one thing that we can not bring light/love to others until we learn to bring light/love to our own house. We have to bring our own house in order before we are effectively helping others. Otherwise it is simply bunch of blinds leading other blinds and all are leading each others and we are all going in circles.

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(06-15-2010, 09:13 PM)unity100 Wrote: [ -> ]The same goes for earth, a 3d planet, therefore 3d entity, which as a mind/body/spirit totality through its societal complex in 7d.

the ones which allowing earth to become an entity are us, the entities living on it. our collective resultant will vector, will determine the way earth goes, chooses.

I think earth changes to 4D regardless of us. Ra had said it is like striking of the clock. However, I agree that polarity of 4D being + or - is determined by the inhabitants that is us and dolphins and whales and any other secret 3D inhabitants...

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