There is a balance between service to others and service to self which one must maintain according to their purpose. If one wishes to continue to inhabit a physical body, the body must be maintained in order to be of any service. One of the most fundamental forms of maintenance of the physical body is that of nourishment. The body requires energy and materials to sustain its natural functions. It is believed that the energy and material must come from an external source in the form of food, water, and light.
My question is what are my other selves’ opinions about the importance of foodstuff in regards to their purpose?
Is it well to plant trees for the intention to plunder them of their fruit? Almost like housing cattle only to later plunder their bodies for their resources. Is it plundering to take fruit from plants which we have planted for the intention of taking their produce for our own physical nourishment?
Is it well to gather fruit from wild plants as an energy exchange. The fruit is freely given in hopes to spread its seed. Is it well to eat their fruit and plant the seeds as we are in a symbiotic relationship.
Is it well to live on only light, which is freely given from the sun. And if you are what you eat, will you become only light? In which the process involves cessation of the body complex.
What do you believe? ; Because that is all that matters. There are no mistakes.
Sometimes I wonder if it was well to incarnate or if I only selfishly prevented something to have the life it wanted.
thanks for the question Shayne.
Honestly, I think one can get into unnecessary self-guilt when it comes to approaching foodstuffs.
The primary thing to keep in mind in terms of a positively-oriented approach to life is that things are done in a respectful and holistic manner.
There are certain habits and manners of farming which don't respect the earth, and the ongoing fertility of the soil. There are ways of raising (both crops and animals) which don't honor the full requirements of what is being raised, and a certain type of control or over-riding is applied to get the desired yield. Factory farming methods fall into the latter, and it doesn't matter if we are talking animal products or purely vegetable products, it can still be done in a heartless and disrespectul fashion (overuse of industrial pesticides and fertilizers, corporations patenting specialised life forms etc).
As part of my day job, I get to read some rural publications. And the old-fashioned 'family farm', where the owners are still adhering to their conscience and self-ethics is still there. There is a respect for life, when one is so intimately close to the cycles of nature.
It's usually commercialism, and supermarket chains driving down the prices for consumers which then leads to farmers having to ask the question of whether they want that contract, which means they have to artificially boost their yields using short-term (exhaustible) methods. That, to me, is when technology in all it's modern ways, becomes a method of 'plundering' the soil and the life that is planted in/and on it.
I think if you really want to care more about your nutrition and the system behind it, you have to ask yourself, where did this food (for lunch, for dinner), come from, and how was it grown? If you don't know (or don't care), then that's where the burden of responsibility lies.
This has been said many times in food threads but the main polarizing aspect of food is between you and you. If you think what you eat is bad for whatever reason and eat it than you are polarizing some negativity within you. If you think what you eat is good for you whatever that is your body will make the best out of it. It would be hard though to convince yourself that eating acid is good for you. No food is bad for you in itself. It is the thoughts who are polarized and make you unhealthy. At that point that you are vegan or meat eater it all comes down to which path of service do you choose. Some are not able to follow the same paths of service than others. If you feel deeply the call of suffering animals than it is positively polarizing to not eat meat. If however your experience leads you to feel different calls and not much focus on that it is also valid as long as you are of service in any way, and there are many, maybe infinite. What you think and believe manifest into reality.
I agree with Plenum. At the end of the day, life on Earth is simply impossible without trading life for life. It's all part of the "grand game" of 3D incarnation. Whether someone chooses to eat plants or animals or some mixture thereof, it still means taking life from another entity for the sake of furthering one's own. There is simply no alternative, and it's a tradeoff I have to assume any deliberately-incarnated being on Earth already weighed and evaluated prior to making the commitment.
(And those who are still "trapped" in the cycle of early-density incarnations really don't have any choice in the matter.)
But the other thing is this (and I suspect this may a somewhat controversial view): Broadly speaking, the purpose of 2D life is to die. Over and over and over. According to Ra and other sources, the 2D experience lasts for billions of subjective years and individual incarnations. And the entire point of it is for an entity to A)gain the first glimmerings of self-awareness, along with B)cultivate a desire to find other options for existence.
And they learn those lessons by being born and dying a hell of a lot, until they're tired of it and want something better.
Any individual chicken, for example, is going to be nowhere near ready for 3D harvest. Its 7ish year lifespan is going to be an infinitesimal drop in the bucket compared to the span of time it will end up experiencing (and mostly forgetting) as it oh-so-slowly elevates its own consciousness. If that life gets cut a little short so it can get turned into food for animals or humans really doesn't matter. It's just one more death among billions.
I know this might sound callous, but that's simply how the system works, at least based on everything we've been told about it. An incarnating entity can't develop self-awareness and a desire to improve its lot in life without, in effect, realizing how much the cycle of incarnation really sucks.
I certainly don't advocate animal cruelty and, like Plenum, believe that it's proper to show respect for the entities which have been sacrificed to put food on our table. Beyond that, however, the whole cycle is simply Karma at its grandest, and something none of us can escape without abandoning physical incarnation entirely. As such, I just don't think it's worth feeling terribly guilty about being part of the process. At the end of the day, we're doing our part to help teach these painful but necessary lessons.
I'm actually reminded of a little lesson I learned a few weeks ago. I was walking along when all of a sudden there was a crunch. I look down, and there's an ex-cockroach beneath my foot. This made me feel a bit guilty, since the roach was presumably just going about its own business and hadn't done anything to deserve being accidentally stepped on. But then I heard one of my guides tell me, "Don't worry; he didn't notice." The death was so swift that the roach-entity simply rejoined the planetary energies seamlessly, transitioning from one form of existence to the next, like a switch being flipped, without even the awareness that anything had changed. And likewise, it would be swiftly reincarnated just as easily, simply moving mindlessly back and forth between worlds until it eventually starts to become aware of the process.
I agree: It is well for one to consider if the source/process of the energy/material to be consumed is congruent with their distortions.
( I say 'it is well' because it seems to be less distorted way to show my opinion)
Which forms of energy/material consumption are congruent with your personal distortions? ; I ask in order to understand the perspectives of my/our other selves.
For instance: As the mind/body/spirit complex known as Shayne, I eat only plant material whether its fried, baked, boiled, or raw. Mostly raw fruit for its "freely-given", "lively" nature. I don't believe that the use of animals as food is required for me to engage in my individual purpose. Perhaps I will discover otherwise.
Everyone and everything is connected to intelligent infinity, so I don't see either form/method of existence as being more or less congruent with oneness. I ask in order to further understand the perspectives of my/our other selves.
(05-18-2016, 02:01 PM)I am Shayne Wrote: [ -> ]For instance: As the mind/body/spirit complex known as Shayne, I eat only plant material whether its fried, baked, boiled, or raw. Mostly raw fruit for its "freely-given", "lively" nature. I don't believe that the use of animals as food is required for me to engage in my individual purpose. Perhaps I will discover otherwise.
That's right; I think you can only ever do what feels most 'right' and appropriate for you. In the past, I tried to 'adhere' to what I thought was the best and most superior diet (in terms of nutrition and overall 'ethics'), and I just ended up being depleted and unhealthy, paradoxically. That's because the 'food' I was trying to force myself to eat was not aligned to where I was currently. In other words: doing the right things for the wrong reasons, or in Ra's words: "In other words, good works for the wrong reasons cause confusion and distortion."
It's also my personal opinion that people try to use food and diet as some sort of 'shortcut' to higher and balanced feelings, sort of like a brute force method of attaining a state of mind. But such things ignore the nature of ongoing catalyst, as if the food you eat can almost guarantee certain effects or results; which is what many of these dietary/fad diets appeal to. Again, it is skipping the lower, for the higher.
Ra Wrote:"You will find ill health, as you call this distortion, to frequently be the result of a subtle mismatch of energies in which some of the higher energy levels are being activated by the conscious attempts of the entity while the entity has not penetrated the lower energy centers or sub-densities of this density."
Also in my personal investigations, balanced with my work on others, issues with digestion are invariably linked to yellow-ray patterns (solar plexus), in that faulty digestion is keyed to patterns of how we
associate with other selves, as a very potent and inner symbol.
So at the end of day, trying to 'over-ride' where our most natural instincts are pointing to in regards to food intake is like trying to over-ride our interpersonal catalyst: it's abusive.
Our diet will fluctuate over time (at least, that's been the case for me, and I'm age 39 now), and I'm at a place now where I'd never thought I'd be in regards to a harmonized approach to my food. That deeply reflects my own journey with regards to yellow ray, and the unblocking work that has been most intense in the last 3 years.
Like Yoda would say: Yes yes master plenum you must listen to! Great words of wisdom. There is a reason for everything you do, that it is conscious or not. Skipping steps just make it more confusing and abusive. Just reading this post will make me feel more in harmony with my food. I think I will enjoy it more.
Everything must run its course. That which is no longer needed falls away. You both provide great wisdom-expanding perspectives. That is why I love Bring4th
"Which forms of energy/material consumption are congruent with your personal distortions? ; I ask in order to understand the perspectives of my/our other selves."
I also meant by that statement a personal question, basically asking "What do you guy's eat? And what beliefs do you have behind those choices?"
I am curious of the applied wisdom in the lives of other conscious selves. I am a part of the creator wishing to know more about itself.
What foods best resonate with you?
Or do you not see this as being a fruitful subject?
(05-17-2016, 08:17 PM)Minyatur Wrote: [ -> ]Sometimes I wonder if it was well to incarnate or if I only selfishly prevented something to have the life it wanted.
Oooooo that was deep!
Alright, im assuming you believe its not a fruitful subject.
I just read these responses to my girlfriend/wife. She digs these perspectives.
(05-18-2016, 05:55 PM)Glow Wrote: [ -> ] (05-17-2016, 08:17 PM)Minyatur Wrote: [ -> ]Sometimes I wonder if it was well to incarnate or if I only selfishly prevented something to have the life it wanted.
Oooooo that was deep!
I never thought about that. Should I worry?
(05-19-2016, 11:24 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: [ -> ] (05-18-2016, 05:55 PM)Glow Wrote: [ -> ] (05-17-2016, 08:17 PM)Minyatur Wrote: [ -> ]Sometimes I wonder if it was well to incarnate or if I only selfishly prevented something to have the life it wanted.
Oooooo that was deep!
I never thought about that. Should I worry?
Does it ever serve you to worry?
Is there such thing as 'messing up'?
Personally, I'm pretty much an omnivore and love trying new foods. But, my absolute favorite food is cheese in all its many glorious forms.
I'm not sure if you can pull any higher meaning outta
that one, but there ya go.
(05-19-2016, 11:24 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: [ -> ] (05-18-2016, 05:55 PM)Glow Wrote: [ -> ] (05-17-2016, 08:17 PM)Minyatur Wrote: [ -> ]Sometimes I wonder if it was well to incarnate or if I only selfishly prevented something to have the life it wanted.
Oooooo that was deep!
I never thought about that. Should I worry?
What is done is done. Worrying leads you nowhere but more worrying. I don't think he was serious.
(05-20-2016, 11:37 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: [ -> ]Personally, I'm pretty much an omnivore and love trying new foods. But, my absolute favorite food is cheese in all its many glorious forms.
I'm not sure if you can pull any higher meaning outta that one, but there ya go.
Thank you for displaying insight into your applied awareness.
Cheese sure is some tasty stuff. Nectar for the experience