(warning - long post, read at your own risk)
(06-22-2010, 09:46 AM)Aaron Wrote: [ -> ]To those of you that are put off by your interpretation of Unity's attitude: I was also in that situation. Then, I put some deeper thought to it and realized: The blending of heart and mind can only be done once you've broken out of the "normal" negative way of thinking in our society and started to grasp the heart's way of thinking.
there is no 'attitude' here - lets do a small experiment - pick any 4-5 consecutive questions and answers from the sessions from any point in Ra material, and take out the word 'love' from all of them - that is, if it actually is present there. you will see that the offstandish and intellectual manner of my speaking and the manner of speaking that you will see in the q/as you have abstracted resemble each other. the difference is, repetition and declaration of word love, every now and then, when the subject comes up in relevance, and in the closing goodbyes of sessions. to the extent that when i first read Ra material after going through silver birches, numerous bartholomews, and so on, i found it very stern sounding and devoid of love back in 1995. however i dont see anyone reacting the same to the content and language of Ra material. despite it is having similar speech, and having extensive amounts of wisdom material in it. contradictory.
and, four things ;
- intellectual does NOT mean 'negative'. wisdom is NOT negative.
- you dont have to blurt out feelings of love and make declarations of love, to love.
- if i actually talk like i normally do, i become VERY persuasive. persuasion is sometimes as infringing as an intervention. the stand offish attitude and presentation of logical and sideless arguments are of utmost necessity for avoiding infringements.
- in an environment of love, noone offering words of wisdom in any way would be met and get subjected to such negativity and aggressive treatment. love goes to the extent of even accepting and embracing the outright self serving. which is actually wrong, but it does. yet, some people who are supposedly talking in the name of love, are unable to accept even someone that is offering wisdom with an open heart, and get aggravated and insulting despite the party in front of them never resorts to anything other than logical arguments. which tells volumes.
Quote:Perhaps we can see what wisdom Unity has to offer those who wish to know love. And perhaps Unity can, in offering his/her message of wisdom, balance that wisdom with the love he/she receives from those who think from their heart centers. There is so much positive potential here, my fellow souls. 
my message is not that of wisdom. what i actually would like to discuss and concentrate on is, unfortunately, far above the scope of the discussions we have had in this forum so far. i have not been able to find anyone to do such kind of exchange yet. the only thing that has happened was me feeling the urge to caution wisdom to some people who are going 'loving' extensively to the point of choosing to ignore any kind of wisdom. it is so disturbing to see people bash their heads against the walls, unknowing, with blunt tools in their hands, instead of sharp ones. the word loving is in quotes, since its not applicable here. some of their behavior has been anything other than loving, and accepting. notice the word 'some' too, not all.
however ironically, i actually know that one can not even start to tell about wisdom to entities who are of love vibration. i had enough of that experience in the past. but, there are many people who are reading the forums, but not participating. it is important to voice some important points in that respect, lest those who are able, but yet newly initiated, may err in their path.
and the various issues the discussion here are giving opportunity to the voicing of important points. all the service here is probably going to some people who are reading, but not responding.
one great benefit though - while discussing these and responding, i have realized that i was aware of many stuff that i didnt know i was aware of. typing things into words or telling others, makes a lot of difference.
(06-22-2010, 10:04 AM)Namaste Wrote: [ -> ]As far as I am aware, fourth density and onwards is of time/space, and hence time is not linear in fashion. As we progress we will experience the 'now', as that is all there is, but the past and the future will become less apparent, until we are fully in the moment. Again, this is my personal viewpoint.
notice, you are saying it yourself - 'fourth density and
onwards' and 'As we progress we will experience the 'now', as that is all there is,
but the past and the future will become less apparent'.
it is a gradual process. not instant. thoughts start to become 'things' in early 4d, and the 'time/spaceization', 'astralization' increases as the densities progress. timelessness increase. that goes on until late 7. it doesnt outright become a timeless place at the start of 4d.
if, you consider that, and also consider that it is possible to even see the future or past, in time space of 3d, in dreams or other phenomenon. since you actually can remember some of these in your 3d conscious form, that means that in a given moment that you saw the future or past in time space, you actually were in 3d vibration, thus, it will mean in the end that there ALSO is timelessness in 3d, but, this timelesness is very limited.
therefore, 3d is a place that is very heavy on the space/time side. if you call the time in 3d linear, then you can say that time gets increasingly less linear, but STILL is linear in early 4d, into 5d and on, in decreasing increments.
therefore, we are never in a truly timeless state, until we reach late 7d. it is a concept that is valid in our future. not our current place in space/time and time/space fabric.
Quote:It is evident we consider higher density teachings different things. I am referring to the lessons and experiences, while you are referring to specific information regarding the structure; it's description. I believe that we are understanding the higher densities in the context of a third density mind, and hence, extremely limited. Ra has mentioned that it's 'near impossible' to describe the higher densities in our language, and hence uses easily understood ideas.
that basically means you are actually meaning the life experience in higher densities. therefore that means, the experience of the significator, the mind/body/spirit of the entity complex itself.
manifestation is different from than knowledge. it is also different from spirit. the mechanisms and workings of the mind, spirit when tied to a 3d body, or a 4d body, or a 6d body will not change. they will still function as per their nature. they dont get different blueprints in every density. actually the mind part of that is the subject of entire book 4 of Ra material.
you can be tied to a 3d body, yet your mind still can wander off in far galaxies. you can be tied to a 3d body, yet your spirit can still function in the infinity itself. BODY will not be able to manifest any higher density thoughts or feelings, or sometimes it can hurt, due to the side effects of such high density work.
Quote:Agreed, Wanderers may indeed have a special purpose. I do recall a quote stating that living in love and peace was general to all Wanderers. I will try and find it.
no sir, wrong. two outright examples; thomas jefferson, benjamin franklin. they didnt live in love and peace. they didnt respond to everything with love. they actually staged a revolution, and participated in starting and concluding an armed conflict. their mission was probably to contribute/effect the establishment of a more freedom centered societal structure free of chains. so far, they succeeded in their lifetime.
another example, albeit a walk in (still somewhat a wanderer) is abraham lincoln. he is the person that caused and concluded a civil war to free enslaved people.
please remember that these names are the names Ra gave.
Quote:The green ray energies are coming through yes, and have been for decades. It is the individual's task to open up and prepare for these energies. Just because the Earth has them, does not mean the individual does. There is a quote from Hatonn/Latwii (The Brown Notebook) which states that it is up to us to evolve, and to match the frequency of the Earth (4D - green) if we wish to remain with her.
a 3d entity maybe. are you a 3d entity ? if you are an entity who incarnated here from, say, one of deneb's 6d planets, or inner planes, what relevance does this have to you ? was that a quote from hatonn, latwii, saying that wanderers should adjust their vibrations to 4d and stay on earth ?
Quote:I do not think anyone here is doing so, brother. Choosing love is the reason of this density, and those choices are supported by all aspects of one's consciousness centers/rays.
choosing love is the reason of THIRD density, and the lesson of third density entities. not wanderers. if wanderers, if they are of higher densities, start acting like 3d entities trying to make a choice, force themselves to that mindset, it will cause two things :
- it will deprive them of the service they can do with much needed higher vibrations
- it may reinforce the societal mind (since they are also a part of it) due to the strength of their selves, and in a way push/coerce/affect 3d entities using the same societal mind to get affected by choice and compelled to choose the same. even if it is not their time to choose, or it may not be their choice.
Quote:Which is why the balancing of the lower rays is implicit in nature. One cannot make efforts to balance themselves in which to be harvestable if ignoring these issues.
none of the 7 octave-pertinent rays are implicit. they are all equally important facets of existence. overemphasis of any of them over any other is wrong. an important sidenote is, if one constantly overemphasizes one of them, despite knowing that all of them are equally important, s/he still may give the wrong idea to those who are new to such information, and send them offtrack, and may cause serious consequences.
Quote:When one's ray is blocked, for example the yellow ray (dealing with other selves), energy cannot flow up to the heart/green ray, which is entirely necessary for fourth density graduation, as this gives the person added compassion, acceptance and understanding. This is why I originally pointed out a personality trait of yourself to defend your opinion with, what appears to be, frustration. It was done out of love, not judgment.
that is much better, and actually an approach much in line with the information offered in Ra. even if a bit wrong :
the meaning and function of yellow ray is 'there are others than me' and 'what will i do with these other entities'. had there been any blockage, intentional or otherwise, an entity would be contemplating on how to use the entities that are around them, for its own benefit and profit. if we take the issue in the field of spiritualism, he would be much more probably either engaged in perpetuating some kind of reliable/unreliable questionable (very probably influenced by negative sources) material that would profit him/her, empower him/her, and even bind entities to himself/herself. and in that process, s/he would hesitate from presenting disagreeing opinions with the masses s/he was trying to cater to, as doing as such is quite disservice to self interests. instead, s/he would be telling any entities in contact what they wanted to hear, slowly goading them in his/her own way.
the analysis you are intending to do actually involves orange ray. the 'me', 'self' ray, the consciousness which involves herd consciousness, approach, and also sees the entities outside as an extension of self. the notion of nation, religion, various other concepts. also it tends to identify with these or anything, taking any criticism of such external concepts and entities as an attack on the self.
in response, such an entity reacts aggressively to the entity perceived to be going out of the line. the line may be the nation, religion, or any concept the orange blockage entity identifies with, seeking obedience or adherence or conformance of that entity. which is a behavior pattern quite common these days, if you follow social and political climate lately.
however, which is, you see, has not been my behavior. leave aside criticism of anything outside that i may or may nor identify myself with, i havent even responded in kind when my very personality was attacked with coarse speech and aggressive demeanor.
but there is an important point here :
if an entity is normally in an energy balance x, and you introduce any influence from an entity to the environment from entity y with a blockage in a certain energy center, (contact, proximity, thought, or thought form concentration on the former), the energy in relevant chakra of entity x will flow to the blockage of the entity y.
this blockage may be permanent, or introduced with anger (as generally the case in orange ray intentional blockings of such cases), or any other reason. the end result wouldnt change - the energy would flow from high potential to low.
now, this wouldnt constitute much of a problem in one on one encounters in real life. if it is a one on one situation, you can actually let the energy flow, satiate and soothe the entity in front of you (provided that it is not too big a demand) , and then continue the encounter naturally.
but, in crowded environments like offices, or, more importantly internet, there is no end to this. if you allow draws, there will be no end to energy draws. because there are a lot of people reading these forums, discussions. 5-6 of them directing their thoughts to you in anger and aggravation with an energy blockage introduced to orange due to their perception of what they identify with being attacked (attacked, in their perception. actually criticized or contested), will result in no less than a huge draw. if allowed, you would need to spend most of your concentration in that energy center, trying to meet up the demand, probably offbalancing your total energy balance in favor of that one, and also, very probably if the situation persists, cause damage to the particular energy center (its body part) due to high energy draw happening from there. in the end, its a structure, and no circuit can hold excessive current flowing over them, in a sense.
if you go low down in energy, you cant keep higher energy chakras open, or functioning normally, and therefore you wont be able to keep the thoughts and ideas that are flowing from those energies. therefore, you wont be able to continue any kind of work you were doing with those energies. that includes any kind of dicussion, thought, work that requires high muse and inspiration, or insight. maybe it is one of the reasons people still heavy in orange consciousness do such aggressive acts. if we consider the fact that Ra said that our planetary consciousness circa 1980 was of orange nature, that event becomes even more commonplace.
one method to protect the energy balance of yourself in such situations is to introduce a measure of hold that is enough to offset the irrational demand of energy happening as such. ie, you 'hold' that energy sufficently to offset the 'attack' (conscious, intended or otherwise), so that you can keep your energy model. but, there is a major drawback to this - until the 'attack' subsides, and you can resume normal energy activity (ie, let go), neutral parties observing your situation may see or feel it as a blockage, feel like you are dangerous, aggressive, or egoist, or stubborn. (Depends on their interpretation actually). it is a very fine balance and very delicate effort. this is probably the reason why some of the people have perceived me as thus, after i have been heavily bounced on by some for dare proposing that "'god's plan in this logos may have falied".
there are other methods too, but, these include calling on external sources of energy, aides, sources of light, and expanding wasteful amounts of energy. these are things, which i see doing in internet discussions, or any random encounter in normal society, as, well, exceedingly wasteful.
Quote:Again my brother, we have different perspectives on higher density information. Yours is information learned from the Ra Material, understood with a third density personality. Mine is wisdom, which comes only from experience of the said densities. From my perspective, if wisdom can be learned in this density, then it is wisdom meant for this density. It all depends on how one perceives, and labels, the knowledge. Again, this is personal, and there is no right or wrong.
again, it seems you are confusing wisdom with the actual experience of the significator (mind/body/spirit complex of any given density) of that density. your approach totally negates q'uo's proposition that Ra heavily incarnating in a 3d planet that has a strong veil as being a side purpose of learning wisdom, which is needed for them for 6d.
Quote:Thank you. I would like to remind you that they we came here to help this planet - and specifically others - progress from third to fourth density.
you are aware that that progression includes innumerable requirements right ? and they include the planet being able to continue to exist without getting blasted into cinders by a nuclear war, like it happened to maldek, or being ravaged by any kind of war that sank atlantis, or, the alternative timeline that the actions of the elite of this planet necessitated it to be taken into, as q'uo says, or conceivable or inconceivable potential catastrophe, or mishap ?
and you are aware that, alternative timelines, alternative parallel existences, such phenomenon are phenomenon of 7d, and require strong balance and activity and energy in 7th energy center to actually effect, which would mean that for earth to be able to actually get moved into an alternative timeline, it would have to have a strong enough 7d energy (and therefore balance) so that it could actually continue without falling apart in the new timeline it had been put into ?
AND, especially, remembering that there are maybe hundreds of millions of wanderers (minimum 65 mil), majority of which from 6d, a density which strives through 7d balance ? and that the noticeable portion of those wanderers were from Ra, who said themselves to be closing fast on 7d ? AND therefore, a
very important duty, and an opportunity this situation will provide them for working with their 7th chakra, as a result of the above situation, strengthening their overall balance and increasing their 7 activity ?
im not even going to go into the fact that there was still a 'war of light' going on in higher densities and astral planes of this world, due to it still being in 3d situation and that was a war that was fought with shaped and manifested light, and thought, as Ra said ?
as you can see, there is innumerable stuff going on in this world. the only thing this world needs is
not love.
Quote:1ST DENSITY: The cycle of awareness
2ND DENSITY: Growth
3RD DENSITY: Self-awareness
4TH DENSITY: Love or understanding
5TH DENSITY: Light or wisdom (RA: We spent much time/space in 5th density balancing the intense compassion we had gained in 4th density)
6TH DENSITY: Light/love, love/light or unity (also frequently referred to as compassionate wisdom)
7TH DENSITY: The gateway cycle
you have 1 important mistake in one of the densities and two lackings of already given (by Ra and other sources) identification :
1st is density of movement, and change. flow is learned here. there isnt any consciousness as you name it in 3d. it is also the 8th of previous octave.
6th density is also density of co-creation, tho the co-creation starts with 5d.
7th density is the density of balance.
Quote:We're moving from 3D to 4D, if one only tries to gain 5D and higher information, the reasons of this density incarnation may be missed. This is particularly important as we are here to help others. We can help others by helping them to open their hearts.
we arent moving from 3d to 4d. this planet is already in 4d vibrations, and there are already entities who started their 4d work long ago, and the planetary consciousness is still heavily orangeish. these are information Ra gave us. actually they are easily discernable and identifiable with independent observation and information too.
reasons of this density incarnation are different for 3d entities and any other entiity of any other density. mistaking oneself as an 3d entity, out of confusion, the perceived need for humility, lack of self worth or any other reason would undo one's life purpose.
had benjamin franklin and thomas jefferson (and all the other wanderers incarnating during the 200 year wanderer wave Ra spoke of in those years) acted like 3d entities trying to make a choice of love for 4th density, and responded to everything they encountered with love, there wouldnt be modern democracies today, there wouldnt be freedom, and there wouldnt be a Ra material because the establishment controlled by the negative structure of this society would cramp down any such work.